Carnatic Music Recommendations?

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I see that Sundar Subramanian mentioned listening to Carnatic music. Can anyone here (you, Sundar, or anyone else) suggest some good places to start? I am particularly interested in vocal music. Also, can you say anything generally about how it differs for North Indian music. (I don't like North Indian classical music very much.)

DeRayMi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just a note that I've noticed the request and plan to write a reply when I'm less busy.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What do you dislike about North Indian classical (Hindustani) music? Karnatak music does differ but not by that much for most Western ears. It is still drone-based, rhythmically intricate, and microtonal. Some differences appear in the ragas used. (The concept of a raga refers to a 'scale' but also to other things like how the notes may be combined, how they may be inflected, etc.) Karnatak music uses more ragas, and some are different from ones used in Hindustani music. It is also possible to change 'tempo' in Hindustani music, which does not occur in Karnatak music. Instead, the 'beat' can be subdivided further and further. There are some differences in vocal styles. Also, some instruments used are different. A veena is used instead of a sitar. Unlike the sitar, it does not have an extra set of strings that do nothing but vibrate sympathetically. It has a cleaner, less resonant sound. The violin is also a major instrument in Karnatak music. Different drums are used. The mrdangam is favoured, which has a 'click'-y sort of sound. A morsing, a sort of jaw's-harp, is sometimes used as an accompanying instrument.

I am not at all anything approaching an expert but here are a few performers I've enjoyed.

M. S. Subbalakshmi is the most important figure in Karnatak vocal music. She is a great singer with a beautiful versatile voice. Her 1983 UN concert should probably be available.

I was very impressed by Nagamani Srinath's performance last year. She has a more leathery voice that can turn gentle or hard. She is able to move into intense rapid melismas that were weirdly reminiscent of Diamanda Galas in a way. Her disc Sunada is great. I'm not sure how available it is.

I saw Sudha Raghunathan perform a good concert earlier this year. She has a lighter voice.

Lalgudi Jayraman's violin playing and Dr Ramani's flute playing are also must-searches. Both very accomplished, versatile, and emotional.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What do you dislike about North Indian classical (Hindustani) music?

I'm not really sure. I like modal, microtonal music, with complex rhtyhms, just not every variety of it. I can't relate to the rhythms in this music. I just don't feel a connection the way I do to the rhythms in Arabic music. (Perhaps Arabic rhythms are not as complex.) Maybe the instruments are too shimmery for me? I love the otherworldly-sounding kanun, as it is used by Arabs, but the Sitar or even the Santor (which I guess is pretty close to a kanun), both of which are at least as other worldly, just sound foreign. I haven't actually heard that much Hindustani music, but I have had a little exposure (including some live performances). It seems to come down to things that are non-analyzable: I don't like certain sounds in the music, it doesn't move me, etc. There is a Sikh-owned Indian restaurant I go to occasionally and sometimes I hear music I like there that I think is played on some sort of horns. I am not sure if it would be considered classical. Somehow I get the impression that it is more devotional than concert-hall oriented.

Karnatak music does differ but not by that much for most Western ears.

Would you say it differs from North Indian music as much as Arabic, Turkish and Persian music differ from each other, or not so much? (I realize this is not an easily quantifiable thing.)

I was very impressed by Nagamani Srinath's performance last year. She has a more leathery voice that can turn gentle or hard. She is able to move into intense rapid melismas that were weirdly reminiscent of Diamanda Galas in a way.

That sounds interesting. I like Galas, though mostly as a live performer.

Thanks for the suggestions in general.

DeRayMi, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I also like Kadri Gopalnath, who has adapted the saxophone to Karnatak music.

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've seen his CDs reviewed and was curious about him, though I'd forgotten the name.

Speaking of adapting western instruments, the Hindustani musician Vishwa Mohan Bhatt, who plays an adapted guitar (you probably already know of him), made an appearance at an Arab arts festival (organized by Simon Shaheen) that I attended several years back. I really enjoyed seeing him then, but I saw him again performing his own concert at a different location and I didn't find it as absorbing. I was interested enought to buy three different CDs by him (over a period of time): one more-or-less solo, one with Ry Cooder, and one with Simon Shaheen. Although I liked aspects of all these recordings, none of them have ever really become favorites. And yet--that first impression was very striking. Maybe it was simply the fact that he was a surprise guest and his sound was so different from the other music I was hearing at the festival.

I would like to say again that considering how vast Hindustani music is, I can't really be sure there isn't some music there that I would like, but so far I haven't taken to it.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...
This sounds like the type of thing I once taped off the radio and still really like (and haven't known anything about):

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6825013/a/Shakti:+Sacred+Song+From+Southern+India+(Chat+Sacre+De+L'Indu+Du+Sud).htm

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

This sounds really good. I think I'm going to buy this one.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I read (in an unreliable source) that Carnatic music does not use tabla (or maybe rarely uses it). That could be a plus for me. Also, apparently it does use different rhythms than North Indian music. If my credit card weren't just about maxed out ("just about"?) I would order that CD I linked to above.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

How did Carnatic music happen? (Inspired by: How did Krautrock happen?)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

The tabla is a Hindustani instrument. It isn't used in Karnatak music (AFAIK at least). The mrdangam is the most common percussion instrument. The rhythms are different, yes, and some ragas are different as well.

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Are you at all familiar with these musicians: http://cdbaby.com/cd/ganeshkumaresh

I like the violin on this Sudha Ragunathan more than I would've expected.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I'm listening to some Sundar-recommended Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan, and very impressed, though it probably has a lot to do with the thavil percussion accompaniment. This is some pretty wild stuff, at times.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
Can anyone (Sundar?) tell me more about where I can find something by Nagamani Srinath? I've been looking for "Sunada", on Google/Amazon/Slsk, and can't find a trace of it anywhere - anyone? Indeed, I can't find anything by her at all!

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Sundar have you Heard Nikhil Joshi adapting the electric guitar to carnatic music?

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
Nagamani Srinath, anyone?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 January 2007 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yup. Mentioned upthread.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

Or are you still looking for a copy? (Sorry, didn't realize you had posted before on this thread.) I might be able to accomodate.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, the latter - sorry for being unclear. I never found it on slsk, or any information online.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know your surname, so I am going to sidestep the rules:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3tg2yw

(This is definitely some fairly esoteric stuff anyway.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, my copy is incomplete. One or two tracks missing at the end. (Apparently it's hard to get a good rip of those last two tracks.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, thanks, this is *awesome*.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I just got back from 3 wks in India and am on a bit of a Karnatak music kick. I saw two days of the Chennai Music Festival. Would seriously consider going for the whole month some time. All the concerts I saw - Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan, T. N. Seshagopalan, Malladi Bros, Sanjay Subrahmanyam (all vocal except KV) - were great, although finding good recordings can be a little challenging sometimes. Seshagopalan in particular has a spectacular range.

I hadn't heard of Nikhil Joshi but I'm downloading some of his mp3's now. I love U. Srinivas, who's a Karnatak virtuoso on the electric mandolin. Got a great recording of him.

np: DK Jayaraman - Live in Concert 1990

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 13 January 2007 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Welcome back! I've been wondering when you'd reappear on this thread and the atonal one.

I'd love to see Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

He's famous for his onstage persona. His face is hugely expressive, sometimes seeming almost clown-like, sometimes grinning demonically.

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Inspired by Sundar, I have been listening to a couple U. Srinivas albums and agree that he's great. I like the clean sound he gets from his electric mandolin (which I'm pretty sure I would just mistake for an electric guitar if I didn't know better).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
U. Srinivas fans, where are you?

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

If I understand correctly, this is a live performance from a day before Kunnakudi's death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yizdB6xMq0&feature=player_embedded

(Anyway, great performance.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 5 December 2009 09:42 (sixteen years ago)

Inspired by his inclusion on the 70s poll nominations list.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 5 December 2009 09:43 (sixteen years ago)

six years pass...

Surprised to see I haven't posted on this thread before, but I met a noise artist last night who was also trained as a carnatic singer, and it reminded me to go listen to S Janaki again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DG102wyd2Q

a man a plan alive (man alive), Monday, 30 May 2016 02:54 (nine years ago)

I'm such dilettante though -- any good books or even articles about the context, history, theory etc.?

a man a plan alive (man alive), Monday, 30 May 2016 02:56 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

Livestream concert by S. Sowmya in about 40 minutes (10 am ET): http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ADHrJeAeXeFK5mibCtPAw/

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 27 September 2020 13:18 (five years ago)

Lalgudi Jayraman's violin playing and Dr Ramani's flute playing are also must-searches. Both very accomplished, versatile, and emotional.

That "south meets north" record with Lalgudi Jayraman and Ustad Amjad Ali Khan is *incredible*

Deflatormouse, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:20 (five years ago)

two weeks pass...

Livestream concert rn by KP Nandini. Sounds v good: https://youtu.be/9ijNpSz1E_o

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:12 (five years ago)

Sorry, this is the right link: https://youtu.be/7UpMOsjwTj4

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:19 (five years ago)

seven months pass...

Three tracks in, this is amazing so far:
https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/652254548215414784/sukumar-prasad-unknown-venue-houston-texas

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 27 May 2021 02:54 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Shashank Subramanyan flute concert about to start if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LLUiq12Lc

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 May 2022 22:07 (three years ago)

three years pass...

I also like Kadri Gopalnath, who has adapted the saxophone to Karnatak music.
― sund4r subramanian, Monday, December 24, 2001 7:00 PM (twenty-four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Loving this, after hearing a track on the Trilogy Tapes NTS show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u5D4vUj73I

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 January 2026 18:27 (two months ago)

that's sick, thanks for posting

rob, Wednesday, 7 January 2026 20:30 (two months ago)

this rules! thanks

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 8 January 2026 08:09 (two months ago)

most excellent

budo jeru, Thursday, 8 January 2026 16:42 (two months ago)

I checked out Saxophone on Qobuz as well. recommended!

rob, Thursday, 8 January 2026 18:20 (two months ago)

love this

nxd, Thursday, 8 January 2026 22:28 (two months ago)


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