TS: "Never Mind the Bollocks" vs. "Appetite for Destruction"

The correct answer to your query is: Reign In Blood.

TS: Chris Thomas v. Mike Price.

*boggles*

*boggles again*

*scratches head in total disorientation and bewilderment*

Wtf is all this shit about young bulls?

What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, it was better than most of what' on the radio, including fucking bullshit, insular, turn up my nose college radio. The album is fucking hit after hit after hit -- and I don't mean that in the radio-top-40-gold-platinum-sense.

How the fuck can you claim to like, let alone love, music and not acknowlege this album's greatness just completely blows my mind.

Never Mind The BOllocks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (hang on a second, lost count, 1,2,3,4.... OK)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything Oral Sex and his mates have ever done or ever will do, ever.

When Axl appears on game shows, in docs, reality series, and hosting his own Vh-1 show, plus writes an autobiography and repeatedly reunites his gravy train original bandmates, let me know. Then I'll believe he's not a total loon.

x-x-post I never thought Slayer was particularly "dangerous." Too over the top to take seriously. But at the height of GNR mania, if memory serves, it was total "lock up your sons and daughters" time whenever they hit town. That happened with the Pistols too, of course, but they were made villains by the U.K. press. GNR always seemed like a bunch of little self-destructive Sids searching for a Nancy.

x-x-x-post I conceded in my original post that the Pistols have history on their side.

by "history" I didn't really mean cultural impact so much as it has been written so many times, it must be true.

I was basically agreeing with Marcello - (wrt: neither)

so gnr over pistols 4-3

(slayer or nirvana would've been shut out on all counts btw)

Josh -- what happened with that interview?? Were you told that certain stuff was off-limits or something? Or was he just being a bitch?

Bollocks no contest. GnR is a joke band. And the joke is not funny.

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That shouldn't necessarily imply too much credibility.

Hell, in my hometown it was "lock up your sons and daughters" time whenever Poison hit town, once the word got out about that database.

I forget what "New York City" even sounds like, though!

um...indistinguishable if you like ignore THE SONGS, THE PLAYING, AND THE SINGING....and actually even just appearance wise they were a little different in the way they dressed....TSOL t-shirts....they were always a bit more NY Dolls than Poison...Izzy always dressed exactly like Keith Richards....Duff's punk roots always were apparent....Slash was more Marc Bolan in the Ramones than hair metal....

OTM!

He's going to unleash some pain on you. Or has he never told you the story about how he first encountered Killing Joke via MTV or something while wearing a Motley Crue shirt?

I'm not suggesting that Steve Jones didn't do his fair share of the Zep listening, Chuck, but I'd say he took more lessons from Johnny Thunders and Johnny Ramones (by his own admission, no less).

It pains and frightens me that Ned remembers this. Yes, I was wearing the Too Fast For Love tour shirt (skull inexplicably with handcuffs in the eyesockets)...which I'd bought not a week or so before from Bleeker Bob's. I was ashamed to be wearing it when I bought the 12" of "Eighties" from Record Runner (now called Subterrenean Records) on Cornelia Street. Didn't wear it again after that (though I wish I still had the Alliester Fiend white Crue t-shirt).

really? like GNR was the "wake up call" that wasn't heeded, is that what you mean?

Also Chuck point taken on "Submission"; I guess I actually like that one ok. Substitute, oh I dunno, "Problems" (the only part about that I can remember is the way he keeps saying "problems" after the song is over.) But I can't believe you don't like "Anything Goes"! It starts with Axl doing those great pinched wails over the intro (with that fishbone percussion thing like on "Gimme Shelter") before he goes into that lower-register talk-rap thing that he also does on "Mr. Brownstone".

Bollocks on the other hand just sounds huge. The guitars are so gargantuan and thick (from all that overdubbing I guess) and the tone is pretty bizarre but really interesting. Rhythmically it could be a little stronger, but Johnny more than makes up for it - Axl wishes he could be that commanding and flat out ugly a singer.

And neither of them sounds too dangerous anymore, I agree. But, to judge purely on the level of songs, Bollocks, which only has two or so truly weak moments and less bloat, comes out the winner.

Uh, hi, this is my first post. I'm Pete's friend.

Welcome Pete's friend! When exactly is Appetite not ON?

B-b-b-b-but he played in the Fastbacks!

otm.

Bollocks also has a much better cover.

http://es.geocities.com/gnr_paradise/dis2appetite.jpg

Bollocks still wins.

I think this is the best quote so far. GnR were basically a hair metal band with a little bit harder edge. There was so much harder stuff available by that time anyway the early Metallica, VoiVod...

GnR were better than most but the Pistols were something different, the blueprint if you will.

As Americans we cannot even imagine what this must be like for a first world nation to go through this. It is easy to see the facts and make conjecture, but can you actually imagine living in the thick of this? When Clockwork Orange isn't a weird art flick, but a very likely Blueprint for the future. Out of this comes a handful of kids with no hope, a bare minimum of proficiency, and a lot of anger and they throw a record like God Save The Queen into the world. Have you actually listened to that song? I dont mean you played it on your stereo and sound came out, but have you actuallly HEARD what was being said. The closest thing we have today would be a pop ground singing a song called You Got What You Deserved and releasing it on the third tuesday of september 2001. Not only did this song encapsulate everything that was wrong about america, went to #2 in the charts(really #1 but RIAA did everything in it's power to keep the record from going #1 ) Can you imagine what kind of rage this would have invoked in the patriotic meatheads of this country? That is what God Save The Queen was like during the Jubilee in 77. It was practically a declaration of war.

And what, GnR played some dirty rock about fucking, getting high, and being a broke muso in the mean streets of LA? I mean Appetite is a great record, but it was just another record that slotted right into the business of rock and roll. They did it really well, but it wasn't dangerous the way the first Elvis singles were, or the way the Pistols were. GNR could piss off biblebelters, but so could anybody else with long hair and leather trowsers.

Not only did the pistols ignite more energy, they had the potential to be a lot more interesting than they already were. One of the things I would most love to see would be their first set of publicity photos which were shot by Peter Christopherson of TG. He framed them as a bunch of psychotic rentboy, and apparently they were so intense that Malcom actually would not alllow them to be used. The other thing that would have made them more interesting is if there had been more of a fusion between Lydon and Jones/Cook. The Lads rock of Jones and Cook would have been a perfect anchor for Lydons more avant tastes. It would have been a true avant garage band, they just needed the right bassplayer. If Wobble had gone in instead of Sid the Pistols would have tore shit up.

Taking Sides: Appetite for Destruction by G'n'R VS. Nevermind by Nirvana

...but I've used up all my "taking sides" threads for one evening.

I swear one of these days I'm going to see one more yankee twat spell that wrong and I'm going to go over there, put a skewer through their bollocks, grill them gently while infusing them with a light aroma of hickory smoke, smother them in majo and catsup, top them with a dill pickle and serve them up with a crisp green salad, between two halves of a sesame seed bun - then ask the bastard if they've managed to work out the difference between bollocks and bullocks yet.

Is this comparison serious?

Harder...but not more sexy or glamorous or dangerous...believe me I loved early Metallica and Voivod at the time too...but GnR seemed glam and cool whereas at the end of the day Metallica and Voivod are virginal sexless Rush dorks (like I was at the time...it was like I knew that those guys, despite their image were just like me....GnR seemed different and exotic and dangerous to me).....

Disco Nihilist.....I totally get what you're saying and I love each of these albums, but I wasn't an English hipster in the 80s....I was a farm kid and to me GnR DID lead to a lot of things, including listening to the Sex Pistols (although the real credit I think for lots of people my age getting into the Pistols is Megadeth's Anarchy cover)......Anyway, I do probably think the Pistols mean more to overall music history, but I'm just saying that you're as blinkered to my culture of the time as I am to yours....

also i think AfD just LEAPS out of the hair-metal context it arrived from/in - it is a strong record on its own terms, very clear and coherent (as a punky mcpunko punkster *uk-style* i don't necessarily approve of EITHER of these things in the abstract)

plus axl's years of silence have done less to normalise what he did than lydon's years of fucking around (i love and admire lydon more than almost anyone else EVER but at the same time he is often a v.tiresome dick and PiL made far too many terrible records as well as two or three of the best ever)

axl is hottttter: this is just objective fact (well he was, probbly he is fatttt and yuck now)

wd someone listening now w.no history or prior grasp of the difft times these records came from really without question hear NMtB as just leagues ahead of AfD?

Taking Sides: APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION VS. NOTHING'S SHOCKING.

That said what about the ultimate rockist question(and I genuinely am not sure here): what will matter more in centuries to come? Slash's incredible guitar artistry, or the context behind songs rejecting formalism?

Well, that would've been the age old Sex Pistols VS. Ramones debate.

(london vs midlands in fact) (and i too like slash am from the midlands hence my inability to choose)

ts: never mind the bollocks vs pithecanthropus erectus
ts: never mind the bollocks vs hibiki hana ma 
ts: never mind the bollocks vs talking book
ts: never mind the bollocks vs fold yr hands child you walk like a peasant

xpost stu, sorry, bullocks is what happens when you work for 11 hours and then start posting to ilm. tiredxor

I mean even if Axl wasn't a complete wuss, it's simply a matter of taste. Pistols had better taste.