Recommend hard-edged psychedelia to me

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Like the more psychedelic moments in the Butthole Surfers or late 80s/early 90s PTV, but without lyrics I am going to find annoying (not so nihilistic, gross, "depraved twisted corrupted," but preferably not about unicorns and rainbow planets). Preferably something that periodically switches up rhythmically. (Maybe not so far from Yes, but harder edged and more psychedelic.) I don't think shoegazer type stuff would really fit what I'm looking for. I think I want things from this side of the 70s. This could be another one of those hopeless, thankless, tasks, because I will probably eliminate further things as they are suggested, so don't bother replying unless it entertains you to do so. (I'm not too interested in Krautrock, for example.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, "dance music" is probably out.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you heard the Apes new EP on birdman. Somewhere in between fuzzed out stoner rock, and Les Savy Fav.

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I know very little of what's happening in rock of any form, so no, I don't know them at all except as names.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

This might help me:

POO/V/X: Psychedelic Albums 1995-Present

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You could say I am looking for extrovertied psychedelia.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Oxbow - Fuckfest

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Comets on Fire.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Sunday, 24 October 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

monoshock
little phil & the night shadows (i think The Square Root of 2 is just what you want)
terminal cheesecake (they were like the Buttholes' sinister U.K. sibs)
plasticland (on the poppier side of things, but still hard-edged. and generally pretty great)

are "songs" important? if you just want hard riffing, early skullflower and marble sheep, maybe? nishinihon? tangle edge? circle?

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Sunday, 24 October 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of want songs. I want something that is rhythmically a little groovey.

Also I don't really want vocals that sound anything like Genesis P-Orridge's, although oddly I kind of like Gibby Hayes' singing. (Odd considering how often I complain about rock singers.)

It's hard to describe exactly what I want, but I will maybe try to find some of these recommendations on slsk.

I have a feeling asking for "hard-edged" from you lot is going to get me things that are actually harder edged than I am looking for. I just don't want think that sond exactly like 60s psychedelia.

Key: I like stuff like this that switches gears a lot rhythmically (though not in a math rock sort of way). Bridges and key changes and stuff, accompanied by retro cosmic sound washes--which doesn't sound to hard-edged. But something with momentum and drive (but not motorik). If people were more widely familiar with this Psychic TV live recording I have been talking about, I could pinpoint a spot where there's a great example.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, i have a better sense of what you're after:

kahvas jute (and their predecessor, tamam shud)
kebnekasje (lots of the Scandinavian psych bands groove in a fine way)
the first abunai! album (bassist sounds like he just stepped in from a Funkadelic session)

the kaleidoscope (the mexican one)
the savage resurrection, the misunderstood (both very '60s, but they fit the bill to a 't')

try some les mogol/mogollar if you haven't already. groovy Turkish stuff with just enough of an psych-y edge.

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

What about something like Vision Creation Newsun? In fact I'll put it on right now. Or something like Fiuczynski's Headless Torsos' Amandala, in a more acid funk/fusion noise guitar virtuoso sort of vein?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Sundar, you have heard Rovo right?

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Part Chimp?

Hawkwind?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, listening to the Night Shadows album again, and not only is it completely fantastic (and edgy, esp. for its time period), but much groovier than i recalled. so i'm now even more convinced that my first instinct was right, and this is exactly what you're after. e- me if you can't find it on slsk.

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What's Rovo?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 October 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Rovo = guitarist from Boredoms new band. Members of Acid Mothers Temple. Two drummers, guitar, bass, violin, two keyboards. TRANCEY

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

sundar, I don't like VCN, and that sort of thing is closer to Krautrock than I would prefer. (I do like Super Ae and some of what I've heard of Rovo.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought Hawkwind were kind of corny, but maybe I've heard the wrong things.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course, psychedelia can be kind of corny and I can still like it, but not in this case.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I would like to emphasize that I don't just do this sort of thing as an exercise in making people throw their hands up and say, "I don't know what the fuck he wants." Sometimes I am looknig for something really specific, but not something that is easily nameable.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

What I've heard of Hawkwind isn't as corny as I'd been led to believe. Maybe someone who knows their stuff better than I do could point towards the right records.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

To go back, it doesn't necessarily have to be songs, but I mean, I want some sort of structure like a song, but preferably one that shifts around a lot. Not just something that sounds like jamming (though it can contain jamming).

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

nothing corny about the first eight or so Hawkwind LPs. ok, "You Shouldn't Do That." but get past it and In Search of Space is gold. the s/t debut and Doremi Fasol Latido even get a little folky.

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the night shadows stuff is also available on cd as "vol. 3 - the psychedelic years." it is indeed damn fine, though not exactly dripping with psychedelic signifiers.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i beg to differ! that shit reeks of good acid.

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Monster Magnet: Powertrip, Superjudge, Dopes to Infinity, Powertrip

― shookout (shookout), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

sun city girls....
sonny sharrock......
melvins......
i'm trying to triangulate a better idea of what you're after....

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Dungen, a Swedish psych-pop band, released an incredible album this year called "Ta Det Lungt". Just listening to it gives me the munchies.

― darin (darin), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Rockist Scientist, have you ever heard Chrome?

― Sean Witzman (trip maker), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

rockist - DEFINITELY listen to Space Ritual by hawkwind. their studio stuff is more motorik than live stuff, and this is probably their key recording anyway. it really sounds exactly like hawkwind, and only like hawkwind.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

oooooh - chrome is a great suggestion, too. maybe a little motorik chug there, too. but oh boy! half-machine lip moves/alien soundtracks is a great cd.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post on Dungen

and this (though that might actually be *too* close to Yes)

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think imma gonna hafta check out this dungen... i hear rave reviews from every corner.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Les Rallizes Denudes, RS? Japanese psych group periodically recording hard to find LPs in the sixties through the eighties (i tihnk?) spontaneous reissues appear and disappear quickly. easiest to find/best is probably the Live 77 set, though it appears under various names. a little googling research ought to be able to help you out. if you like that, you can try something like LSD March.

Do you like Bardo Pond at all? Some of their albums have definite psych moments.. s: Lapsed, On the Ellipse, Dilate.

I'll second the recommendation of Comets on Fire; their new one, Blue Cathedral is the jam.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the one song ive tracked down by lsd march is very very good

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

a couple of their records are available from eclipse! eclipse-records.com; much love to ed hardy and the japanese (as a whole.)

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Rockist_Scientist: What you are asking for is something so finicky and specific, you might as well just create it yourself.

― Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

while i dont exactly agree with blighter, i will say that i think youre cutting yourself off from a lot of very great, very internally diverse music by saying "no krautrock" or "no motorik", rockist.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

LSD March is great!

Funkadelic has some psych moments that rule....

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

the newest charlambides album, joy shapes is hard-edged in some ways. it's not particularly grating or jarring sonically, but it's got this majestic, frightening power to it (largely due, I feel, to christina's more "confident" vocals.)

do you like Ghost, rockist? lama rabi rabi is kinda 'hard', and the new one (hypnotic underworld) has its moments also.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you might try ozric tentacles, almost new-age spaced out hippy prog trance rock

― jake b. (cerybut), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

also: Subarachnoid Space, These Things Take Time is a great album. Might have too much of a kraut groove for ya, though.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ghost's HYPNOTIC UNDERWORLD: atmospheric, but changes up as you wanted, and the changes, sections, seem more and more well-timed, and I've been listening since Feb. (although I long ago startd fast-fwding through the ten-minute opener).Comets On Fire's BLUE CATHEDRAL is rougher (prog-psych-punk?), but also rewards repeated listeining. If ever do go to other side of the 70s, check Airplane's AFTER BATHING AT BAXTER'S and BLESS ITS POINTED LITTLE HEAD, and the Dead's ANTHEM OF THE SUN and AOXAMOXAMOXO(or however you spell it). Also Pink Floyd's RELICS, PIPER, and Syd's solo albums

― don, Monday, 25 October 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops sorry to have not read prev. posts re Comets(and any others I mentioned), but anyway I third that emotion! Eleventh Dream Day are kinda psych or post-psych anyway some correlation.

― don, Monday, 25 October 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

There's too much to respond to now. But most of this stuff I have either not heard or heard it and don't remember what it sounded like (Chrome).

Make my own music? It would take me a long time to get the instrumental proficiency to create the sort of music I am thinking about.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 25 October 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not really into it at the moment--not any specific recommendation, just the whole question. I'm in a different mood today. Also, I remembered I had this Ali Aldik CD I had almost forgotten about buying. But I'm feeling kind of disgusted with music lust today (and was before I saw that thread along similar lines). It's probably just very temporary and even now it's only very partial.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn has anyone mentioned Spacemen 3 yet?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Dominique, what band is *this*? Link's broke.

― steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Loop?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Spacemen 3 might be more minimalist than what I'm looking for. At least from what I remember hearing. But that means I could be wrong.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

is it dom's own stuff?

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, that link goes in and out, just as the site's performance goes. Here's a streaming link.

"band" is (alarmingly) near and dear to my heart

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

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