am I the only one who notices that Pink sounds like Liz Phair on "Get the Party Started"?

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or am I just hearing things?

― M. Matos, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well, am I?

― M. Matos, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She's on right now...
...Yeah, I guess yr right.
And I kinda like the song too!

― Alacran, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has anyone noticed that Liz Phair sounds like blech in her Gap promo?

― David Raposa, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can hear it. I would really like to get her new album, but will probably be much too poor till well after xmas. Plus, there is the whole Linda Perry thing. Does anyone know if there's a noticeable 4- non blondes vibe on the album?

― Nicole, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Subject: am I the only one who notices that Pink sounds like Liz Phair on "Get the Party Started"?

Not anymore...

― JM, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nicole, word to the wise, the rest of the Pink album is nothing like that single--there's like 1 or 2 other songs that are that fun, but the rest is really awful stuff, cross between bad alanis and bad britney with thinner production and weak melodies. It's kinda strange, I have no idea where they came up with that single, it's so good!

― Mickey Black Eyes, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The single is unrepresentative, but the album is also good. And the Linda Perry vibe does pervade, in a weird way.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think the single is shit.

― chaki, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I disagree, Sterling. I think that the single is wonderful, but don't you feel like the rest of the album is so awkwardly produced? I mean, the songs are kind of ballady/rocky but the producer must be a hiphop guy, because he puts these stale beats behind this rock stuff and it ends up being neither here nor there, and it's like that new Sinead O'Connor album--just thin, chorussed guitars and this empty feeling.

― Mickey Black Eyes, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

its contrived, polished and thin sounding because thats exactly what it is. when pink was on the howard stern show she said she recorded it in 3 weeks. gimme a fucking break. this is worthless music that we shouldnt even bother analyzing.

― chaki, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

single's OK; the album is HORRIBLE, thanks to Linda Non-Blonde but more thanks to Pink herself. yuck

― M. Matos, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

chaki - think REMIXES

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the production quite a bit. It feels stiff and jerky, and the guitars are all grainy, like I'm watching Grand Old Oprey with the tracking screwed up on my VCR. Also, a few real stunners. Another unexplored avenue of Ameritronica (tm). And she raps on one song, how cool is that?

The dud is clearly the Tyler collaboration.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

Boy was I wrong about the album. The album is fucking excellent, and "GTPS" isn't even the best single, "Don't Let Me Get Me" is.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the black metal bass drum in that one.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yes!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the camera click noises in "just like a pill", as if the track comes with its own press coverage: a faux-tabloid burnout expose with animatronic papparazzi.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone seen Simon Fuller's new singer Amy Studt? She is the English Pink, but (obviously) without the big-budget video and posh hairdo.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone else find that her suburban divorce = world war III/vietnam chatter REALLY did not age well? "Family Portrait" in particular bothers me. She WANTS to be a big slice of whitebread and gets most upset about the fact that her mom is changing her last name. What a baby.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"age well"?

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

meaning I wasn't as bothered by her choice of metaphor as I am now. I shoud have avoided that term since, yeah, it basically means "I didn't notice that it sucked back then."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh trust me, I noticed. The odious glop of Linda Perry is unavoidable.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

see, I like most of the album. I'm just talking about the "My Vietnam"/"Family Portrait" stuff. It's a shame critics are so either/or about Pink. Either you dismiss her outright or refuse to admit some of her lyrics are just flat out stupid. Kogan's review for the Voice is easily the best thing I read about the album. I'd link to it but it seems the Voice has dropped it from its archive or something. Anyhow it was a good mix of criticism and acclaim.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I like this album lots, with reservations. The first track can make me intensely happy. Just Like a PIll can do it too. The Steven Tyler collab has been at times my favorite. I've never been able to stomach, and never listen to, the Vietnam song. She ain't all that smart and she's a bit too willing to say things she doesn't believe for my taste. Family Portrait is a little simple and a little cliche, yes, but there does seem to be some of her in there. Maybe it's her apathy that turns me off. But I like the joy she takes in her anger/success/self-involvement (I loved that shit on the awards show when she piggybacked to the stage and went on about how she was drunk). Anthony, I'm not sure what your prob with Pink is if you're so tolerant of big boy babies (some of whom I like too). Sorry to be personal there, but I've noticed the latter a lot.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, she's a good singer (though there isn't necessarily a lot of that on this album)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm...valid point. It's probably that I'm more forgiving of people freakin' out over relationship issues than parental ones, especially when the worst thing they can mention is that her mom's gonna change her last name (that line cracks me up as much as how Billy Joel's last straw in "We Didn't Start The Fire" is rock'n'roller cola wars). Plus Durst's raps are often more surprising and gonzo (and he's yet to imply that his life = a real war. I hate Papa Roach, who implied their relationships are like 9/11, if that makes me seem more equal sex-wise or whatever. though I hate Papa Roach more because they suck). Mizundastood is a good album, don't get me wrong. I just think we might be having a little bit of Cyndi Lauper syndrome. Shakira seems much more promising.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Um mom changing her last name = parents getting a divorce, no? That's a genuine trauma for a child.

I put "aged well" in quotes because god it's not even been a year. The record has the same virtues and flaws I noticed back whenever it came out. It's not like the context has shifted all that much.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a child of divorce too, and I could easily find a phrase more evocative of what's traumatic about it than the name-change one. The context that's shifted is PROBABLY that we've had a war since the song came out, REAFFIRMING that a suburban family snap doesn't really COMPARE. something a person, perhaps myself, might have missed when they first the songs.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

acknowledge my self-righteous typo fever! *shakes head sadly while making "WWWIII" hand gesture*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah the vietnam thing irked from the start but still Family Portrait is fucking great -- Marcello more than called it.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like songs, movies, whatever that struggle to evoke that mythic '50s family archetype and then want to be patted on the back for subverting it. Though I'm not sure I could pin this on the song if I hadn't seen the (boring) video for it.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It wasn't about subverting it -- it was about missing it, feeling it shattered, etc. And the video mighta done it but the song sure didn't invoke the 50s per se at all.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's Frank's piece: "River Deep, Freckle High"

i think everyone has turned out to be wrong about Linda Perry, actually. if by "everyone" i mean "me". anyway she probably writes some duff every now and then, but so do the Neptunes and i still like them

there's something about P!nk that makes me feel like i know her, or like i know someone who looks like her, or something. she made me feel like I was already in her club from the word go, you know? i wish she'd sang "beautiful". she should take over all of christina agilera's songs, actually, and then she could steal gwen stefani's band and record the most kick-ass rock/r&b/reggae record ever made, from deep inside a hidden command center in a cave under downtown philly

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

the best parts of Missundaztood + the best parts of Rock Steady = the greatest album ever made

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

No doubt!

* ducks entire garbage barge upended and flung in his direction *

Linda "Scratch" Perry v Tony Kanal in dub convention!

* barge-wielding monster turns out to be Ned Raggett *

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Linda Perry RULES! [thumbs nose at Nedbot]

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear fucking god, I arise from a three-hour crash-and-burn nap probably caused by staying up too late for much of the past week and this is what I see. I think I shall just go back to bed instead and let this unfortunate squall blow over. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(Though me being me, I now suddenly realize a Holy Truth: Linda Perry is the aural equivalent of the Lifetime Channel 'reaching out' to a younger demographic -- a patina of apparent wisdom covering a whole slab of gooey spam.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

wisdom shmizdom--she provides structure to not-quite-formed ideas. this is perfect since as 4 Non Blondes demonstrated for eternity, her own ideas suck the big one

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

she provides structure to not-quite-formed ideas

I'm sympathetic to this approach, but not her results.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if it'd be the best album ever, but Matos's equation would indeed bring us a classic. Though I don't know if Rock Steady needs the help.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I still say tragic kingdon > rock steady

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

so yar

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

For "Just A Girl" and "Sunday Morning" alone I say nyet.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

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