POX: Your own Hardcore Classics (as in 80's US Punk, not UK dance music)

11. "Surf Combat" by Naked Raygun
12. "Wash Away" by TSOL
13. "The Prisoner" by DOA
14. "Fascist Pig" by Suicidal Tendencies
15. "Code of Honor" by Code of Honor
16. "In My Grip" by Samhain
17. "All Twisted" by Kraut
18. "Divide & Conquer" by Husker Du
19. "California Pipeline" by Murphy's Law
20. "Operation" by the Circle Jerks

no order, man!

Fading Out "Down In The Gutter"
Corrosion of Conformity "Holier"
The Angry Samoans "Lights Out"
Redd Kross "Notes and Chords Mean Nothing To Me"
Scream "Fight"
Minutemen "If Reagan Played Disco"
7 Seconds "We're Gonna Fight"
Spot "Skate For Fun"
Cro-Mags "Don't Tread On Me"
Kilslug "Into A Hole"
Minor Threat "It Follows"
Die Kreuzen "All White"
Reagan Youth "Degenerated"
Siege "Walls"
Poison Idea "Die On Your Knees"
Bad Brains "F. V. K."
Meat Puppets' cover of Black Flag's "No Values"
Black Flag "Nervous Breakdown"
The Misfits "Earth A.D."

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1.Bad Brains, "P.M.A."
2.Black Flag, "Police Story"
3.Minor Threat, "I Don't Wanna Hear It"
4.Angry Samoans, "Lights Out"
5.Dayglo Abortions, "Argh Fuck Kill"
6.Suicidal Tendencies, "Institutionalized"
7.D.O.A., "Fuck You"
8.Dead Kennedys, "Terminal Preppie"
9.Fear, "New York's Alright If You Like Saxophones"
10.Meat Puppets, "Melons Rising"

Fave DK's tracks:
1. "Police Truck"
2. "Holiday in Cambodia"
3. "Well-Paid Scientist"
4. "We've Got a Bigger Problem Now.."
5. "Stealing People's Mail"

Ramones are punk. The Endtables are punk. D.O.A. are punk.
Die Kreuzen are hardcore. SS Decontrol are hardcore. etc.etc.

Black Flag - Rise above
Minor Threat - In My Eyes
Angry Samoans - Lights Out
Bad Brains - Banned in DC
Poison Idea - The Badge
Naked Raygun - Rat Patrol
Cro-Mags - Don't Tread on Me
Husker Du - In a Free Land
Circle Jerks - World Up My Ass
Misfits - Skulls

I've heard them referred to as "post-hardcore," actually. They were the first hardcore band i remember who rocked the long hair look. Actually, i think the Necros might've beaten them to it.

10. Wasted Youth - Reagan's In
9. Dicks - Dicks Hate Police*
8. JFA - The Great Equalizer
7. Kraut - All Twisted
6. Fang - Skinheads Smoke Dope*
5. MDC - John Wayne Was a Nazi
4. Necros - Police Brutality*
3. Corrosion of Conformity - Rednekkk*
2. Negative Approach - Tied Down
1. Offenders - I Hate Myself

* - I am probably Banned From The Scene for calling these "hardcore".

black flag - no values
bad brains - sailin' on
descendents - hope
minor threat - screaming at a wall
void - black jewish and poor
dead kennedys (if we're counting them as hardcore?) - police truck
misfits - last carress
code of honor - attempted control
husker du - diane (if 'divide and conquer' is hardcore, then so is this)
replacements - fuck school

yeah, I had a reservation or two about including Husker Du. But, y'know, they certainly started out as a hardcore band, and they were on SST, so that's good enough for inclusion. The Replacements are a more slippery issue, but I would never have found out about them were it not for hardcore.

They were the first hardcore band i remember who rocked the long hair look. Actually, i think the Necros might've beaten them to it.

And this was before My War? It's all a little hazy for me at this point.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, is/are Agent Orange hardcore?

Ooh. Good point. Forgot about the `Flag goin' hirsute.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, is/are Agent Orange hardcore?

Well, they were certainly lumped in with hardcore....as were Flipper (who played slow, sludgey and sloppy)...so go know.

Yes, featuring future Cro-Mag Harley Flanagan on drums. Never actually heard them, only of them (they opened for the Clash at Bond's -- though so did Kraut).

Cro-Mags - World Peace
Black Flag - Six Pack
Negative Approach - Can't Tell No One
Judge - Fed Up
Agnostic Front - Friend Or Foe
Turning Point - Face Up
Circle Jerks - Live Fast Die Young
SSD - Glue
Minor Threat - Screaming At A Wall
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized

Most of these songs were released before I was born... yikes.

(good to have another youngun on ILX, reed. i'm in the same situation you are.) (though I don't know about 'most', but definitely some of those songs...)

i'm glad i'm not the only one here, i feel terribly out of place in most of the conversation and usually just opt to keep my trap shut.

Oh my God, I think I need to go hear "Snob" again. "ALWAYS TALKABOUCHA SELF AIN'T GOT TIME FOR NO ONE ELSE YER A SHNOOOOOOB YESYOUARE!"

Palatka - Taco Hell Has Nothing To Do With Hardcore
Reversal of Man - Butterflies
Orchid - Epilogue To A Car Crash
Heroin - Headcold
Portraits of Past - Bang Yer Head
Black Dice - narcissus & Echo
Nation of Ulysses - Maniac Dragstrip
Indian Summer - Orchard
Current - Cable Out
Dropdead - What Was Life

Was homestead the home to any hardcore bands? Touch and go?

What exactly were squirel bait and the volcano suns?

Dealing With It was a classic album for me. I wish I still had it but all attempts to procure it have let me down.

Does COC really count as hardcore? I thought they had more of a metal angle.

Slayer, Metallica all had hardcore roots but took it in a metal direction.

I remember for a while there it was all messed together.

Samhain was metal IMHO, but its audience (at least at the Samhain show I went to, yes I'm really old) was a hardcore audience.

Maybe the more complex the line drawing on the cover is, the closer you get to metal?

"hard candy cock"
"drink, fight, and fuck"
"needle up my cock"
"die when you die"
"i hate you"

this is splitting hairs basically but i think that acually the reverse is true. metallica, slayer, megadeth, etc. were more trad metal/nwobhm kids who got turned onto hardcore and assimilated it.

the crossover kids were punk/hardcore kids who got turned onto metal and assimilated it.

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of course thats kind of a false dichotomy being that there were bands who were many shades in between, but i guess its roughly true.

i'm no expert, obviously, as i was born in 1982 and didn't come of age in that era.

ian christe's (who posts here on ILM) book "sound of the beast" does a good job of covering all this crossver/thrash-era stuff, though.

I remember all this shit including all the talks we (my friends and I had) about the fine distinction between metal, crossover, and death metal.

So when or did you stop following this line of music? I think the last thing I really listened to was a carcass album called symphonies of sickness. I listened to a little nuclear assault, but really turned on to godflesh, then techno animal all the while listening to wax trax and Ministry.

Then dance music stole my soul...

The Dils - You're Not Blank
Minor Threat - I Don't Wanna Hear It
Flipper - The Light, The Heat, The Rhythm, The Noise (Blowin' Chunks version...if you want more hardcore proper then Brainwash!)
Big Boys - Nervous
Husker Du - In A Free Land
Black Flag - Wasted
Void - Who Are You?
Descendents - Myage
The Effigies - Bodybag
Germs - No God

loud fast rules

And CoC, before Eye for an Eye, weren't just a hardcore band, but THE definition of the scene in their time and place. Saw them on self-promoted shows with Bad Brains, GI, NegApproach, and all of 'em. Reed Mullin was the first guy I saw down south rockin' the Exploited-style ultra-'hawk.

I stayed into hardcore as long as I was in Louisville, then went to UC Berkeley and I just wasn't as down with the Gilman St. / Berkeley scene vibe. I saw some good shows there, but it kind of seemed blasé, maybe just more sophisticated. HomoCore shows in SF were good tho.

So chock full of endorphins and adrenaline that getting damaged in the pit felt like nothing.

The salad days.

Minor Threat - Filler
Bad Brains - Pay to Cum
Black Flag - Jealous Again
Flipper - Ha Ha Ha
DRI - I Don’t Need Society
Meatmen - Tooling For Anus
Husker Du - Let’s Go Die
Rites of Spring - For Want Of
Descendents - Sour Grapes
Dead Kennedys - Kill The Poor

I remember for a while there it was all messed together.

Corrosion of Conformity were originally completely hardcore, then became the quintessential crossover band (next to DRI, I guess). Samhain were transitional between Glenn's punk and metal fixations, I'd say (hell, Lyle "Minor Threat" Preslar was even a member for a short while).

Slayer and Metallica, as someone else mentioned, started as metal, but integrated hardcore/punk into their mix. I bought Ride the Lightning having never heard a note off of it, but was intrigued because Kirk was wearing a Discharge t-shirt on the back cover . Seemed promising. Turns out it was. For a little while, at least.

Awesome choices.

1. Bl'ast!-time to think.

2. Bad Brains-big take over.

3. Siege-drop dead.

4. Black Flag-damaged 2.

5. Deep Wound-video prick.

6. Articles Of Faith-

7. Minor Threat-filler.

8. Void-time to die.

9. Neagative Approach-sick of talk.

10. Agnostic Front-existence of hate.

11. Circle Jerks-deny everything.

12. Cro Mags-don't tread on me.

13. Misfits-bullet.

14. Suicidal Tendencies-institutionalized.

15. Articles Of Faith-angry man.

16. Husker Du-out on a limb.

17. M.D.C-john wayne was a nazi.

18. Youth Of Today-

19. Meatmen-1 down, 3 to go.

20. Youth Of Today-stabbed in the back.

21. Mission Of Burma-secrets.

22. Gorilla Biscuits-big mouth.

23. Dag Nasty-i've heard.

24. Chain Of Strength-too deep until now.

25. Embrace-building.

26. Infest-where's the unity?

28. Lifes Blood-never make a change.

29. Ignition-cancellation.

30. No Comment-world of difference.

Suicide Commandos, "Complicated Fun"
Flipper, "Ever"
Big Boys, "Heartbeat"
Minutemen, "Definitions"
Black Flag, "White Minority"
Mission of Burma, "Academy Fight Song"
Minor Threat, "Out of Step (With the World)"
Descendents, "Suburban Home"
Couch Flambeau, "Mobile Home"
Husker Du, "Whatever"
Juvenile Truth, "Walk Towards the Sun"
DRI, "Who Am I?"
Crucifucks, "Hinkley Had a Vision"
Naked Raygun, "Potential Rapist"
Dead Kennedys, "Halloween"
Dead Kennedys, "Life Sentence"
MDC, "Chicken Squawk"
Minor Threat, "Out of Step (With the World)"
Appliances-SFB, "Bob Hope"
The Butthole Surfers, "The Shah Sleeps In Lee Harvey's Grave"
Husker Du, "Eight Miles High"
The Replacements, "Unsatisfied"
Fugazi, "Waiting Room"
Bikini Kill, "Feels Blind"
Heavens to Betsy, "Me and Her"

Great, great song....but hardcore?

1 Hated Youth - Hardcore Rules
2 Crucifix - Prejudice
3 Deep Wound - Deep Wound
4 DRI - Money Stinks
5 Gang Green - Snob
6 Minor Threat - Straight Edge
7 Black Flag - TV Party
8 Descendents - Kids on Coffee
9 Intense Degree - Skate Bored
10 Bad Brains - Pay to cum

Tiki God - Nip Drivers
A.O.D. vs Godzilla - Adrenelin O.D.
Young, Fast Iraninas - The F.U.s
Somethings Missing - Half Life
Options - Prolitariat
Life Returns - Dr. Know
Possessed - Suicidal Tendancies (the riff I think of as THE hc riff)
Richard Hung Himself - D.I.
White Trash (2nd Generation)- Bad Religon
Money Will Roll Right In - Fang

Gorilla Biscuits - New direction
Minor Threat - Screaming at the wall
Fugazi - Waiting room
DRI - I dont need society
No Means No - Two lips, two lungs and one tongue
Modern Life Is War - D.E.A.D.R.A.M.O.N.E.S. (2005's best hardcore anthem)
Converge - Concubine
Bad Religion - I want to conquer the world
Shelter - Civilised man
Refused - Worthless is the freedom bought

I know Refused not American, but in my humble opinion they were the best hardcore band ever to walk the earth.

If we are only to use eighties songs, then you could swap the Converge, Modern Life Is War, Shelter and Refused songs for:

DK - Nazi punks fuck off
ST - Institutionalized
Sick Of It All - Friends like you (from 1989 if I'm correct)
Descendents - I like food

But then again, there are some hardcore songs from the nineties I forgot, like Ignite's In My Time. Oh well, I could go on and on.

Star of Baghdad - Poison Idea
Fabulosity - Submachine
Tired of Making you Cry - Screeching Weasle
Normal Man - Men's Recovery Project
Save the Whales - Tree
s.f.v.d - Dwarves
Born tolouse-latrec - New Bomb Turks
Attack of the Peacekeeprs - Jello and D.O.A.
Rebel Girl - Bikini Kill

so... in chronological order of their impact on me:

black flag
dead kennedys
napalm death (first album only)
minor threat
septic death
minutemen
bad brains
infest
born against
nation of ulysses

Die Kreuzen - "Live Wire"
Bad Brains - "Don't Need It"
Suicidal Tendencies - "Memories of Tomorrow"
Minor Threat - "Out Of Step"
Black Flag - "Damaged II"
Minutemen - "Paranoid Time"
Husker Du - "Pride"
Misfits - "Demonomania"
Dead Kennedys - "Bleed For Me"
Agent Orange - "Blood Stains"

Honorable mentions:
Naked Raygun - "I Don't Know"
Angry Samoans - "Coffin Case"
Electric Deads - "Fish In A Pool"

I know; picky, picky. But:
"Bullet" = 1978
"Teenagers From Mars" = 1979
"Last Caress" = 1979 (not released til 1980, though)