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following on this thread: so everyone used the prophet 5

and the comments about the Alesis ION that happened, here's a thread for people to ask about keyboards and synths and for other people who've used them to give their opinions.

Now, my question: I need a keyboard that will do organ/rhodes/and piano sounds. The piano sounds don't need to be super convincing, I suppose, but the organ and rhodes sounds should be. Suggest something.

Also, I just bought a Moog Rogue. tell me what to do with it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Sweet. Okay, I've been looking at buying a Roland JP-8000, but it looks like the Alesis Ion is in the same price range. Opinions please!

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago)

And Kyle, I'm no keyboard expert, but the Alesis QS-8 (and QS-7) has very good piano, rhodes, and organ sounds.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago)

clavia's nord elector does the organ and rhodes really well.
though they are kinda of expensive (1,400)

jb, Monday, 1 November 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago)

yeah nords are great but they are too much money

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I would definitely go for the ION over the JP-8000 based on feature set alone, not to mention playing with both of them in the store.

The Korg MS2000 is pretty damn nice too. That's another one I think you ought to consider in that range, depends on how many keys you want though

TOMBOT, Monday, 1 November 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago)

does the ion do any kind of piano sounds?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago)

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if you've got some money lying around, check out the nord electro, which was basically invented for your needs. it was built to simulate five or six classic keyboards, and as such has only five or six settings -- rhodes, wurli, hammond b-3, yamaha electric grand, clavinet and i think acoustic piano -- and it sounds pretty damn good. it doesn't do anything else. it doesn't do any of that fun synthy stuff that the nord lead does; you've gotta buy the nord lead for that.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, i see you've already rejected the nord, kyle! oops.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Once I was playing this kid's bass at this party and my fingers were getting all blistered, so I was like 'Chuck, dude, play your bass before I start bleeding on it' and he (playing the MS2000 at the time) goes 'NO WAY DUDE THIS THING HAS WAY MORE BLINKY LIGHTS'.

The Korg MS2000 - THIS THING HAS WAY MORE BLINKY LIGHTS

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

The MICROKORG has A) a fucking monstrous shit ton of space for storing patches, B) a nice simple synth engine, C) a tight vocoder, D) little itty bitty gnome keys that those of us with monstrous hands will play the fuck out of a la hill giants playing keytars.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I have a Roland RS-50 and have so far been reasonably happy with it. The rhodes sounds are very nice, the piano is a lot better than you'd expect, and the organs are fine, I guess, but sometimes they're aren't as meaty-sounding as I'd like them to be.

I don't know anything about keyboards, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

neither do I! that sounds great! Is it less than a thousand fucking dollars on ebay?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago)

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The Korg MS2000 has a good organ preset sound, and is an excellent synth as far as overall tweekability, saving patches, ease of use. Don't be blinded by the blinky lights, it's a solid synth.

Of course, it's not as meaty and huge as a proper analogue synth but it's way more convenient for touring.

Drew Daniel, Monday, 1 November 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago)

I bought mine for around $800, I think, at Guitar Center.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I think the Roland RS-50 is comparable to the Alesis QS-8 that Jordan mentioned above.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Ha, the Microkorg is fun and CHEAP as hell.

So far, all the keyboards on the Cleft & Cloven stuff have been begged for and borrowed - Microkorg here, a Korg Triton we had for a week, a Nord Lead I borrowed for an afternoon, etc. I'm THIS CLOSE to buying an Ion, though.

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Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago)

I've been playing a Yamaha SY-1 in a group for the last few weeks.
It's a ridiculously limited synth, but it has some neat sounds on it.
It's heavy as hell for it's size. Nothing like what you are looking for, though, Kyle.
http://www.vintagesynth.org/yamaha/yamaha_sy1.jpg

Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago)

the Microkorg is great - altho I always end up tweaking sounds and then neglecting to save the settings. duh. Great basic sounds tho, and really easy interface for arpeggiator, modulators, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 1 November 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

My problem is all the keyboards that I think have awesome sounds (within a certain price range) have too many limitations, whereas I usually need a pretty versatile keyboard with lots of patches.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago)

the tiny keys on the Microkorg are kinda annoying though. At least for me - if I want to play chords or a really tricky melody I run into trouble.

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Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 1 November 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I just looked up the Microkorg and realized I've played that before! Yeah, it's awesome.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago)

i've been using a roland jx-8p. but i really haven't had much of a chance to really get into all of its features. anyone have opionions on the 8p?

Grell (Grell), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago)

for versatility, can I recommend getting a used Kurzweil K2000? You will not find a more flexible, powerful synth with more options, sounds etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

my "collection" so far(and I call it that because I'm barely using it as I "set up my studio":

Farfisa Combo Compact, Elka Combo Organ, Hohner Pianet T, Arp 2600, Sequential Circuits Prophet 600, Univox Electronic Piano, Arp String Ensemble, Casio CZ-101, Kurzweil K2000s, Akai-MPC1000. Almost everything is in need of cleaning/fixing of some sort, some of it is borrowed from friends.

my dream? A Wurlitzer 200a. I just don't have the space (or money) now. But I absolutely love the sound and feel more then anything other then an actual piano.

not that I'm a great pianist, quite the contrary, but there's nothing like playing a real piano.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago)

My buddy has one of those Wurlis. I play a few bits of Queen's "Your My Best Friend" whenever I'm over there, cuz it never sounds that good on anything I've got.

Is the CZ-101 the one with the cheapo VOCODER?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago)

I've got a Farfisa VIP-200/R which apparently is one of the rarest Farfisas on Earth. It's metallic puke green and has a built-in drum machine.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Microkorg seconded. It's the *same* as one of those new MS2000, except for the tiny keys and less impressive looks (though you might prefer the digital-era chic of the Microkorg). Cheap as a holiday in Lloret Del Mar.

The Nord Electro is, I swear, a great delight to play. But for the money it costs it's more sensible to get a Roland XP-30 or something in that vein. The Roland sample-based patch system of a few years ago still sounds awesome, and it's *easy* to find them second hand and quite cheap. Some people doesn't like Roland that much, anyway.

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago)

> I just bought a Moog Rogue. tell me what to do with it.

Buy a MIDI-to-CV converter and a cable with an S-Trig connector. Sweetness follows.

Palomino (Palomino), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago)

the cz doesn't have a vocoder...it's one of Casios digital answers to the Yamaha DX's back in the day, but with it's own charm. It's Microkorg size, so I plan on using it as a controller, as well as a synth.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago)

It's payday and I just bought an Alesis Ion off of eBay, OMG.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago)

This thread also inspired a trip to eBay for me, too. But I'm not telling what I bid on, cuz you lot will go on and outbid me!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I was tempted to ask about the auction in question, but I also didn't trust y'all not to snatch it out from under me. :>

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I have this. It makes some meaty pseudo-analog sounds, tho I never have as much time to play with it as I would like:

http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/virusb.jpg

o. nate (onate), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

for real cheap, how about the roland jv 80?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago)

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I really love our KORG Mono/Poly which is a vicious beast and a bit annoying but such crunchy zaps and swoops.

My favorite synth of all time is the Roland SH101, we've got two and they rule, it's just such a good sound and so well laid out. Nice gurgles. You can sequence it by running DIN synch through a 707, a pain in the ass but it works.

on the synth hospital angle, my ARP 2600 is missing a power supply cable (a weird looking custom job), AND its dedicated, separate keybaord unit. I have the big modular vertical half, but no juice and no keys. Should I despair?

Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Okay, where do I start..

I am not fundamentally opposed to virtual analogue, but I have gotten very sick of the sound of JP-8000, MS-2000, MicroKorg, and Access Virus individually. Especially the JP-8000. I can't suggest these to anyone in good conscience. I have not used the Alesis Ion, but Alesis gear is invariably cheaply built. They're fine for a $100 noise gate or $150 drum machine, but I wouldn't buy anything too serious from them.

For acoustic/sample-based sounds, stay away from the Rolands. All of them. There is a nasty, tinny quality to the sound, and this applies to all of their sample-based instruments from the JV-1080 on, because they all use the same engine. It will sound okay to you in the store, and you will be cursing it in a few months. I have not used the Nord Electro, so I can't weigh in on that. I strongly suggest a sampler and a few good CD's for this purpose. Go with software (Kontakt) or an Emu. I think Akai puts some kind of aural exciter circuitry in their output stage that gets obnoxious on anything besides drums.

Moogs - The Mini is fabulous. Most of the others are not, in my opinion. The Prodigy, Rogue, and MG-1 can make one or two nice bass sounds, but the brand name pushes their price above value. The MicroMoog is trash, alng with the Opus-3 and Satellite. There is no distinctive "Moog sound", contrary to popular myth, as differing filters etc went into them all. Hell, no two Minis sound exactly alike.

Underrated/priced analogues:

Yamaha SY-1 or SY-2 - These things are fucking brutal.

Kawai K3 - yummy sample + analogue filter pads/leads

Akai AX60 - rips a Juno to pieces

Siel DK-600 - most other Siels are trash, and this thing's internal circuitry is fucking terrifying to look at.. still a nice deal

Ensoniq ESQ-1 - great modulation options, sample+analogue filter.. look for the SQ-1, actually.. it has more waveforms

Ensoniq Mirage, Sequential Prophet 2000, Emu Emax, and just about any other sampler with analogue filters will bring you lots of joy.

I haven't toyed with any new hardware synths in a while. In the software category, I am enamoured with how effective the Korg Legacy Collection (MS-20 including FX version, Polysix, Wavestation) runs. The Arturia stuff (ModularMoog, Mini, CS-80) sounds great but I've had crashing issues with all of them on more than one machine. They seem to be more concerned with pretty graphics than efficient code.

Kontakt is fabulous.

Crunk with Christ, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago)

"Korg Legacy Collection"

drool that looks like so much fun. Not sure if the sounds live up to the originals but if it did I would be so on that.

I have a jp-8000 and its kinda cool but mostly I just use it as a controller. Kontakt would be my weapon of choice right now but I bought Reactor sessions to save on cash. Its interesting and the library has a ton of cool stuff but what I really wanted was a killer sampler and that i dont have at the moment.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:47 (twenty years ago)

by the way, I've been borrowing a Moog Rogue for a bit over a year now (far longer than I should be), and I've been able to get a suprisingly wide range of sounds out of it. At first my instinct was to always go for the fattest bass sound I could get while I played around with octave basslines etc. but it can make some cool atmospheric & lead effects too, and it sounds good when combined with outboard effects & overdriven (true of most synths thought I guess)

But also, there's no need to wait for the midi/cv converter to start playing around with the inputs on the back... it's especially cool to run another synthesizer into the keyboard input, then you can add a ring-type distortion to the sound, and even route the resulting output back into the synth again a bit for some extra distortion... and there are of course more fun combinations, all depending on what it is you feed the moog and how you tweak the filters & mod controls.

Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:58 (twenty years ago)

ugh, typos

Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:59 (twenty years ago)

drew...weird, my 2600 has a standard power cord. I do have a keyboard but it wasn't working so I haven't had it plugged in in ages. The entire amp section is busted anyway, so I mostly use the Arp for drones and processing, or as one friend said, "the worlds most expensive and wasted guitar pedal!" Which is right. The pre-amp/distortion, the filter, ring-mod etc, makes my guitar happy.

apparently trent reznor ran much of his drums through one to give it them unique, hard to replicate sounds.

as far as the power, you should be able to get the fixed easily, no? there's one guy near philly who is THE man apparently for all arp repairs. One day I'll bring him mine and give him a few hundred bucks and get it up to shape:

http://www.discretesynthesizers.com/arptronics/Arptronics.htm

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)

I have a Moog Prodigy, an alesis q8, and a yamaha dx7-fdII.

The Moog Prodigy is a lot of fun, and has amazing bass tones. It has some pretty sick leads as well. That said, I wouldn't pay market price for it these days...

The Alesis q8 has a good piano, a couple great electric pianos, and some okay organ sounds. The rest of the patches sound pretty terrible/useless. I don't play it very often because just accidentally playing one of the cheesy new age patches is enough to ruin my day.

The dx7-fdII is my newest synth, and it's great fun. Lots of metallic sounds, and a really usable keyboard. Rhodes patches are pretty cool.

My Microkorg got stolen while my band was in scotland. That was a really fun synth, although my fingers tripped around on it. I've heard/seen the Micro a lot recently. Q & Not U used it on Power. Blur used it a bunch on Think Tank. Seems to be pretty popular. I've heard that the new alesis micron is supposed to be much better than the korg, but I have yet to play it.

Right now, I'm drooling over: Akia AX60, SH101, Jupiter 8.

Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm still excited about my Ion-to-be.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:20 (twenty years ago)

Dan, thanks for the link on that Arp guy. Yeah, my power supply is a weird 6 pin affair, not a standard power cable, or at least it's not standard around my house.

I have been enjoying the Arturia Mini-Moog softsynth. That Tassmann is pretty cool too.

Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:45 (twenty years ago)

I am suprised no one has mentioned the Yamaha Motif. The original motif6's are going for about a grand right now, and there is no reason why you could not make an entire record with one. If you are going for bread and butter rompler sounds it is one of the best places to look at the moment.

I think the one synth that has yet to be mentioned, and it is kind of funny considering the initial post, is the SCI Pro-One. They are still going for about 450 usd, they sound great, have a lot of mod routings, trig in... A great little synth, Juan Atkins would not have a career if it were not for this little devil.

Another synth series that is completely over looked are the EMU romplers. They are not cool, but it is telling that every single producer in scratch magazine have at least one module in their rack. I just traded a s3000xl for a PK6 proteus Keys this weekend and I am completely shocked at how much bang for the buck you get with these units. Huge sample sets, great kits, a lot of bread and butter, a ton of z-plane filters, huge polyphony, decent synth keyboard with nice aftertouch, really deep programing(almost as deep at the Morpheus; lag processor, math functions, huge mod matrix, multiple envelopes all available on a per layer basis but sans the function generators) a ton of outs, and to top it off they go for next to nothing second hand.

They are not cool, and you are not going to twiddle three knobs and get rippin analogue tonez d00d, but if you are willing to invest time into programming they are probably the single best synth buy on the market. I can guarentee you that you can pull out of the emu's that people will never be able to guess where they came from. If you have a good understanding of subtractive synthesis and modulation functions you can pull crazy noises out of these boxes. Completely under-rated and the presents don't even scratch the surface.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 07:40 (twenty years ago)

I completely concur w/disco nihilist's comments about the E-mu rompler range (proteus 2000, vintage pro, virtuoso 2000, b3, etc etc) They are fucking awesome boxes. One other thing about them is that if you have an e-mu ultra-series sampler (also going very cheap) you can buy a 32mb flash rom abd put whatever samples you like into the thing, and they're always there when you switch it on.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago)

...the electric piano sounds in the proteus 2000 are good, the electric piano sounds in the vintage pro (I bought the sound rom card w/the same set of samples) are even better.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago)

How do people feel about soft synths? I bought an M-Audio Radium49 and we used it on a few things, and then started running into horrible latency issues in Reason and Cubase. More memory didn't help, and I just got sick of it and wanted something that seemed more like a real instrument.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago)

may i suggest finding a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5

startrekman02, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago)

My grammar in the above post is horrible, what was my problem last night?

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago)

The Emu's are excellent, I have an XL-7 with the Pure Phatt (the sound set from the Mo-Phatt) and the sounds are probably the best you can get with a rompler, excluding the Triton. if you're going for bread and butter sounds i would get a PK-6, and try to track down the pure phatt rom or the Xtreme Lead rom for more electronic sounds. the problem with softsynths is that you can't really use them live due to latency, and it can become expensive depending on how powerful your computer is, and if you want to go livea laptop would be your best bet.

AMD, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Has anyone used the Roland RS 70? I wanted to get an XP 80 or 90 because we've been borrowing one, but it turns out the sounds we liked in it (the rhodes sounds in particular) were due to an expansion card, and if I buy an 90 or 80 plus that card it's going to run me as much as a new RS 70 anyway.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 4 February 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Alesis Ion = love.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 5 February 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

Thinking of getting a cheap 90's ROMpler, and I can't decide between Roland 1080/2080/1010 and E-mu Proteus 1000/2000/2500. Seems like the pianos and "real" instrument sounds on the Rolands are better, but the synth sounds on the E-mu are better. Anybody have these and can advise me?

It has to have a good piano, though, as one of the main reasons I'm getting this is so that my wife can play our MIDI keyboard without having to hook up the computer.

Dan I., Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

My Ensoniq TS-10 is rather good at Rhodes and organ sounds. Not too bad at piano either, although I have heard better in that case.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:49 (fifteen years ago)


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