Defining the 00s

I doubt they will defy the 00s like the others defined the 90s. Maybe grime will reach that level, I dont know.

You dont have to think they are/were important or good, but you cant overlook them when you look at the 90s.

who says so? pitchfork?

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http://www.djmag.com/top100chart.asp

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sorry dude!

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Techno got big in europe because europeans are a bunch of faggorz and American are kickass rocvk und rollers who arent faggorz/

Never have the religious and the Caribbean had such mainstream pop radio acceptance.

It hasn't always been a bunch of lameass rock critics talking about how it was gonna be the next big thing. For a couple years ('bout the time Trainspotting came out, if I recall) it really was the next big thing!! I mean jeez, Fat of the Land debuted at #1 in the US for fuck's sake! All the kids at my school were totally into that record. Couldn't walk into class without seeing a bunch of Prodigy T-shirts. It was awesome. I still think that record's a classic.

Hell, pop-punk seems to be the ONLY thing big with the US rock kids nowadays.

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I mean, except for all those shitty WOW records...

desi beats
electroclash
folktronica
jazztronica
microhouse
screengazer

This is the worst goddamn decade for music ever.

plus elements of neo-soul and garage-revivalism

I think it's entirely possible we look back at crunk/southern rap as the g-funk of the 00s.

Some other 00 genre/movements not mentioned yet:

Morr Music
Laptop Pop
Shemo
Screwed & Chopped

And yeah, the new rock revolution.

i misread this as ironica.

I think Avril and maybe Michelle Branch are prime examples. It's a term coined by Gavin Mueller and Todd Burns from Stylus.

Discuss. Alternatively, look up that review and read the next few sentences for a fun time.

I think of what the kids in the 70's must have felt before punk. I feel sorry for young people these days, they really did miss out on the party. At least in the US anyway...

I cannot speak for the rest of the country, but Austin makes me sick because everybody is completely entrenched in their little scene ghetto, and nobody is looking outside their box. It just seems like music is just something you throw into your ipod to go along with your other lifestyle accessories.

My idea of a good night out is listening to Derrick May in the car, going into a honky tonk for a couple beers and listening to old-style country, listening to Frank Bretschneider on the way back, and then going home and throwing on some Soft Machine or Marvin Gaye while I read before bed.

I wonder how much of it is because I am getting older, how much of it is me withdrawing from the world for personal reasons, and how much of it is the actual cultural situation at the moment. It just feels like the bummer of the 30's after the roaring 20's, or the 80's after disco and punk burned out.

not until 2008.
-- cutty (mcutt), Monday, 1 November 2004 23:38

well?

The revival of a lot of 80s genres like Electro and New Wave have had one of the biggest impacts I reckon. In the 90s these styles really weren't much of a factor, with sampling and scratching and smooth production values etc being more popular than the more obviously computerised sounds that really came to the fore with Electroclash in the early part of the decade.

It would be almost more interesting therefore to see what the 00s HAVEN'T been about than what they have been about.

One thing I've liked about this decade (or maybe it's just my age group) is that people seem a lot more open minded to different styles and flavours. When I was a teenager in the nineties you either listened to rock, dance or r'n'b, and it was considered a bit weird if you listened to, say, heavy metal AND house. But nowadays all the Emos are just as likely to be found bopping around to Electro for example. Rockism doesn't really exist in the same capacity as it used to, where Grunge kids would shit on anything with a synth in it.

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I think the 2ManyDJs album has had a profound effect on the decade in that way. Although the mashup craze was shortlived, I reckon it's definitely had a huge impact in the way people think, and now people from all walks will turn up to see them spin. Unheard of that hordes of indie-kids, clubbers and whoever else would gather in huge throngs to see people DJ-ing in the 90s, or ever before.

grozart yes.

00 = mashups & novelty pop from "blogosphere"

00 = retro 80: lectroclash, post-punk, Moroder rehash

00 = mainstream indie rock

00 = obscurantist bullshit: isolationist black metal, twig grinding folk noise, plain old dumptruck machine noise, hand-numbered lathe-cut editions of 17 pieces, private press reissues of private press rarities, etc.

00 = METAL

that is one of the best rehashes of the decade i've seen.

The metal thing may be summed up as part of something that is probably even more typical of the 00s: Fragmentation. This has partly to do with the net.

Other than that, I agree with contenderizer.

The 00s haven't been really different from the 90s, but I see the following changes:

- People have seemingly tired of boy/girl bands. They were all over the place in the 90s, while there are only a few now - most of which have been around since the 90s.

- While there was a lot of hip-hop in the 90s, in the 00s it seems to have been part of a larger R&B scene. Even the most famous hip-hop records have often been based on beats and compositions made by current "super producers/songwriters" rather than sample-based.

- Electronica is still around, but maybe not quite as huge and important as in the 90s. Trance still has a large audience, but the acts are too many for any of them to have established themselves as big mainstream names.

- While indie in the 90s was grunge and britpop, indie in the 00s seem mainly to be about neo-psychedelia (US) and sort of the AOR version of Britpop (UK). Most of all there is a bunch of indie bands who are influenced by postpunk - and this trend has been evident on both sides of Atlantic. As did the short-lived garage rock fad that seems to have faded again.

- Metal has definitely become more extreme and - to some extent - more popular. The increasing popularity of metal goes from hair metal revivalists like The Darkness to some really extreme black metal stuff that has at times managed to crack at least the album lists.

- The current "rock" trend is also possible to hear in some mainstream pop. Acts such as Avril Lavigne, Pink and Kelly Clarkson have added more "rock" elements in their music that what was usual among typical popular tween-pop acts of the 90s. This may also partly be sort of an 80s revival thing, as these have a lot in common with acts such as Tranvision Vamp - or Blondie for that matter.

- The electro element is very evident and may be summed up as mainly three different forms of influence 1. electroclash, which was hard, brutal, "cold" and often more or less instrumental, 2. "classic" 80s-influenced pop from the likes of Kylie, Madonna, Annie etc. and 3. an increasing electro element in a lot of modern R&B productions

- "Prog" forms have become increasingly accepted. Maybe not quite as mainstream as it used to be in the 70s, but through acts such as The Mars Volta, Muse and Porcupine Tree, prog influenced music has probably never been more popular since pre-punk.

Emo and crap dance covers. Would nu-metal be considered this decade or last?

last. Korn were at their peak around 1996, Limp Bizkit et al followed suite. Obviously there was quite a bit of overlap, but by 2002 that shit was pretty much over with.

haha, I remember the synth hatred of the 90s. I'd tell my grungy friends that "one day, the synthesizer's gonna make a big comeback!" now they're dead.

Again, grozart's right. Nu-metal = 90s.

Same goes for the early 00s retro rock moment: Hives, White Stripes, etc. A brief commercial flash at end of a garage boom that had been building through the 90s (Gories, Billy Childish, Teengenerate, New Bomb Turks, etc.). And in the case of bands like the Strokes, it was just a lead in for the more 00s-specific postpunk/new wave thing.

all these posts and no experimental horse music, for shame y'all

but of course 00s = post-90s

(ie, post modernism finally, officially fit for family viewing, disparate influences and references woven together into mainstream fabric that will probably turn into neo-traditional, "well-rounded" values of 2010s)

i remember when i heard 'buy u a drank' and realized t-pain was just singing the hooks to various snap anthems and went "what the hell is going on here, how is this on the radio"

ie disparate influences and references woven together into mainstream fabric

This is a little bit interesting, and I think, partly right, but as often happens, Morales slips in a howler. Bachata, a hopping dance? There are these little drops that you see good bachateros doing, but I wouldn't call it a hopping dance, and in fact, the overall movement is more wave-like.

www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-0130loszeros_filljan30,1,6198699.story

chicagotribune.com
Los Zeros sums up an era of Latin music
By Ed Morales

Tribune Newspapers: Newsday

January 30, 2008

NEW YORK

It's getting late in the decade, and we don't even have a proper name for it.

There is a strong sense of how we think of pop music history in terms of "the '70s," "the '80s," and even "the '90s," and Latin music has its parallel moments -- think the Fania All-Stars, Julio Iglesias, Gloria and Emilio Estefan, Juan Luis Guerra, the Buena Vista Social Club and, finally, Daddy Yankee.

It's time we locate contemporary Latin music trends in something called "Los Zeros."

What characterizes the era of Los Zeros? One trend, urban pop, has its roots in the '90s, when rap and dance hall en espanol laid the groundwork for reggaeton. The influence of '70s and '80s styles such as reggae and post-disco R&B crept gradually into Latin music until a new hybrid of polyrhythmic Caribbean beats and slow-jam aesthetics created the urban pop sound.

Now, what once seemed separate genres -- hard-core reggaeton, romantic pop, salsa, merengue, cumbia and bachata -- are all part of a new fusion.

Artists once pigeonholed as underground rappers are now international pop musicians, and the likes of Shakira, Alejandro Sanz, Andy Montanez and Julieta Venegas are all collaborating with urban fusionistas. The super-twangy guitar and hopping dance that helped bachata burst onto the scene has also been co-opted into a funky teen pop in which New York-based crooners turn up the guitar amps and ride the electric wave of a Dominican Invasion.

A new roots movement is also one of Los Zeros' strongest trends. Puerto Rican bomba and plena acts are multiplying rapidly, pioneered by bands such as Yerba Buena, Los Pleneros del 21 and Viento de Agua. Los Gaiteros de San Jacinto, a Colombian roots band steeped in the ancient arts of puya, bullarengue, gaita and cumbia, won a Latin Grammy this year and groups such as La Cumbiamba Eneye are the rage of Queens' Jackson Heights neighborhood and beyond. Zon del Barrio revives Rafael Cortijo's brand of soulful bomba and plena alongside a healthy dose of old-school salsa, which is in turn fueled by the reissue of the Fania Records catalog, some local bands that never gave up the old school and intrepid DJs.

nobody called nu-metal nu-metal in the 90s tho, i thought

(Actually, now I'm sorry I posted that, since it's a lot of fluff. His lousy description of bachata dancing is the most interesting thing about it.)

I know the Cher Autotune thing was technically from the 90's, but man do artists nowadays get a lot of mileage out of it. (Maybe it didn't lose its gimmick status till the 00's.) To me, that's one of the defining sounds of this decade.

Nu Metal was probably at its most popular around 2001. But surely it had existed for some time, and it was more or less gone by 2003. Irony is that The Darkness were among those who killed it: Nu Metal was killed by Old Metal.

Wow, the Darkness.

00s revival seems to be in full swing everywhere. remember house of jealous lovers etc. obviously millenial rnb has been ever-present but it does feel like this is not a test we are finally on the inevitable 20 year pop culture rebound. that decade was a deeply miserable time for me and feel no sentimentality for it and p much everything i've heard for the first time since '08 still sounds as tired to my ears as when i got sick of it a decade ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_in_music

I thought this revive was gonna be about the fluxblog guy's hot new Electroclash playlist

00s revival seems to be in full swing everywhere

this completely passed me by so far tbh, do you have any examples?

I'd say 2000-era nostalgia is in full flow (that Rina Sawayama album for one thing), but that's an entirely different era from what came later.