If only all magazine spreads could look this cool (from Blowback).

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This is from the new issue of Blowback Magazine (which is kinda cool in itself). It's an interview with Bristol DJs The Outlaws, designed by Wet Shame (Mudwig who does T-Shirts for Warp and Paris who's an ace typographer).

http://www.outlawdjs.com/blowback/images/Outlaws%20Blowback%201-2%20150dpi.jpg

http://www.outlawdjs.com/blowback/images/Outlaws%20Blowback%203-4%20150dpi.jpg

http://www.outlawdjs.com/blowback/images/Outlaws%20Blowback%205%20150dpi.jpg

Debord (Debord), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago)

ah ha.

the joys of Blowback.

glad to see ILM getting round to this ...i have been enjoying this freebie since catching #1 by chance.

today i got Outlaws vs Blowback mix cd, to celebrate the end of their first year.

its a fine mix. a lot more interesting than their proper album.

and the mag is def my fave at the moment.

not that i am biassed of course.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 4 November 2004 11:08 (twenty years ago)

who's an ace typographer).

hmmm call me trad/reactionary, but i though one of the aims of typography is to aid communication, especially through clarity. this magazine seems as messy as another around at the moment, so i dont know if this guy could be called an ace typographer.

y'know, wouldnt it be amazing to have a magzine, you could, y'know, read? like where there wasnt white text on a light coloured background, or images didnt obscure interesting bits of text etc?

my dadsa kind of an old fashioned printer so maybe this is why i am such a fuddy duddy, but its just my 2 cents, la

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 4 November 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago)

i dont like it either fwiw.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago)

And it's welcome back early 90s magazine design.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago)

reminds me of raygun in its unreadability.

tipustiger, Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I bet they spent a lot of time and money making it look like something a couple of teenagers put together in ten minutes using scissors and a glue stick. At least it's not as bad as some of the other magazines I used to hate. There was this one magazine whose name now mercifully escapes me where the columns of text were different sizes and colours and running THROUGH each other. The sad thing was that the text was actually not bad...if you could actually make out what it said.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago)

XPOST DAMMIT IT WAS RAYGUN ARRRRRGH

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago)

it aint all like these highlighted pages.

this was diff to the normal layout.

not loads of money involved, this is a lo-budget/for love freebie mag.


mark e (mark e), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago)

this is a lo-budget/for love freebie mag. so they couldnt afford a designer who made things readable? thats funny, i can do that on Microsoft Word. Looks kinda boring, but still.

No one said anything about money! stuff like this isnt made virtuous by the fact it is being done for the love of it all. Bad design is still bad design.

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago)


fair do's .. different strokes ..

i'm sure they'd love you to get in touch and help em out and show em how to do it right ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Man, those spreads are horrible.

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

i loved raygun back in the day. of course, the design was more pleasing to look at, less pleasing to try to read, so it kinda failed in the publication of words if you ask me.

or something. i couldn't help but think that all the confusing text was raygun's way of not sharing the secrets of thee undergrount.
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Isn't all this a bit like saying all lo-fi necessarily sucks, or mbv is shit because you can't really make out the lyrics? You know, disregarding the aesthetic aims?

Besides, just glancing at the first two at least, it all looks legible enough if you tilt your head a bit. ;)

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's neccesarily that. It's more that it's been done before and didn't really work then. Let's move on.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I think it's funny that you've disregarded the content because you think the design is below you! I would imagine most of the people who comment above opened the first image in Internet Explorer (which then re-sized it so the whole double spread would fit on your screen) and thought, "Oh I can't read that, so it must be crap".
Mark's right, Blowback is good - although perhaps it would be more popular with this board if it looked and read like the NME circa '86!
I think these images represent information portrayed in an interesting way about a group who are also interesting (something which comes across in the lists and the comic strip). As far as I am concerned anyone trying to do something exciting and different out of the PR nightmare boredom of most normal (music) journalism should be given a pat of the back, not derided.

Debord (Debord), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I kind of realise that my initial post intimated form over content, I can't really take that back now can I! I think the words and pictures are good anyway...

Debord (Debord), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Isn't all this a bit like saying all lo-fi necessarily sucks, or mbv is shit because you can't really make out the lyrics? You know, disregarding the aesthetic aims?

mbv succeeds as sound and music. but if the AIM of mbv is transmission of the lyrics, it fails. i personally don't think mbv cared about the perceptability of the lyrics. i think they were meant to be this tone/dream providing element of the music. "ewy-ew-ew" indicative of ethereal sex beauty without the explicit description as such.

raygun occasionally "failed" at the transmission of it's content by putting font backwards, obscuring words, etc etc. well, unless it meant to keep certain things secret, and it probably did, so maybe it was a success in providing a little leg, but not the "goods" as some might say.

there IS something to be said for simplicity however and transference of information. i could see how many people would expect fairly explicit textual information from a magazine and therefore be annoyed by the flash of a spastic, jungle-real layout.

like mtv's rapid flash video techniques, sometimes, just sometimes, not everybody wants to pretend they have ADHD just to consciously keep up with the media they're being bombarded with.

somebody who dislikes that should be allowed to regard it as crap.

i don't, but hey...
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I looked. at all three of them; can't READ them because the scans are too small, but I can imagine that the words are perfectly legible on the page. Those ones are nowhere near as bad as Raygun, but to me they just look...well, amateur. Which I suppose is cool, but if they spent any time on getting it that way, the joke's on them.

As for this:
Isn't all this a bit like saying all lo-fi necessarily sucks, or mbv is shit because you can't really make out the lyrics? You know, disregarding the aesthetic aims?
Basically, what msp said. If the magazine was actually aiming to get some information across, the design of Raygun was fucking horrible. If it was all about design, why bother interviewing the bands at all? Just put in some pics and then sprinkle the pages with random words in eye-shattering colours that intersect and interlock. Would have the same effect, with less expense or time.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago)

To be fair, knowing what I do about the difference between designing for the screen and the ultimate printing on the page, it's quite possible that the Raygun pages were perfectly legible in the design process and were just rendered into incomprehensible gunk by a bad printing process or bad knowledge of how ink is actually laid onto the page.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago)


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