Si Soy Llenaro: Album of the Yera!

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Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Salsa?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

No, it's joropo, something very different, more Spanish (though I think there is some Afria in the rhythms at least) and much differently orchestrated than salsa. One reason I am making noise about it is that it's not salsa and I like it without knowing anything much about the genre, so maybe some of you would too.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm almost afraid to analyze what is it that I like about this music (not that I have the proper tools anyway), for fear of discovering that there's not nearly as much going on as it seems; because one of the things I like about it is that new melody lines and new rhythms keep popping up, or at the very least, they get handed off a lot from one instrument to another. The musical plot is very full of surprises. (This could also be related to my complete unfamiliarity with the genre though.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Venezuela on the rise!

Si Soy Llenaro is the album title or the group?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I love joropo, caught some good stuff in Venezuela. Ned was in Ven....would be interesting to hear Ned thoughts on joropo

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago)

It's the album title. It's "Various Artists" but really a super-group made up of one group + lots of other outstanding musicians. I can't remember the name of the primary group. I still haven't read the very lengthy liner notes.

This is Colombian joropo. (No officer, that's not what. . .)

(And it's just my album of the year. I don't hear as much as most of the rest of you.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:51 (twenty years ago)

1. It's "Si Soy Llanero"
2. It's a Smithsonian Folkways comp
3. The artists are all Colombian, not Venezuelan

One thing I've noticed over the years: the mix of influences in Colombian music makes it especially friendly to (North) American ears. It's like the mirror image of Louisiana, across the Caribbean.

Vornado (Vornado), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Apologies for the spelling. I think I mis-spelled the title of a Grupo Niche song earlier ("Culbera" for "Culebra.")

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago)

the mix of influences in Colombian music makes it especially friendly to (North) American ears

I'm not so sure. Some Colombian music still sounds pretty odd to me, to be honest. I do like a lot of the salsa, though any given Colombian salsa CD will usually have at least a few songs with more Colombian elements that I don't "get" or like.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Is there a big difference between Colombian and Venezuelan joropo?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea, I haven't read the liner-notes. Maybe someone else knows.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago)

So what's your #1 salsa album of the year then Rockist?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Sonora PonceƱa: Back To The Road.

One reason I don't go on about it more is that even I find some of the rootsier/traditional aspects of it (especially the vocals*) a little bumpy. It's still fantastic though. It's actually a funny mix of being very traditional, and at times old fashioned sounding, with being very inventive and in some ways cosmopolitan. It's inventive within the limits of the genre, not by pulling a lot of outside stuff in--but it's still inventive. (At least I think it is. I'm not as familiar with their work as I should be, so there could be more re-hash than I realize. In that case, it's merely distinctive.)

*But they don't have a really strong lead vocalist currently. In some ways they make up for it by having a more tag-team approach.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 4 November 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

That was my album of the year before and may go back to being.

RS, Thursday, 4 November 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't know any Colombian salsa, so I can't comment on it. I'm thinking of mainstream-ish people: Carlos Vives, Bloque, Aterciopelados, pre-dye-job Shakira. And vallenato in general, which for me is something very similar to zydeco. Vives especially -- his roots-rock, jumbled-influences sensibility seems very American (as in, the U.S., Canada, and parts of Great Britain), kind of like John Mellencamp, Dwight Yoakam, Beausoleil, which makes him quite the odd duck in Latin pop.

Vornado (Vornado), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago)

True, but the three of those Colombian artists who I'm familiar with seem to intentionally be marketing themselves to an audience outside Colombia. Shakira doesn't even pop into my head when I think of Colombian music. I guess my point is that the examples you are giving aren't just any old Colombian music but Colombian artists who have been marketed to a broader audience (including a North American one) and maybe even tailored to a broader audience.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago)

R_S, I don't wanna get back on a bad foot with you, but those artists were all very big in Colombia itself before they were "marketed" and "tailored to a broader audience." I know because I wrote a very rockist review of Shakira's Laundry Service and a bunch of people wrote to me to complain that I had my head up my ass, that her other stuff sounded like that too.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Begs2Differ, in that case I am wrong. I don't know that much about Colombian music (which is one reason I was qualifying by saying "maybe tailored") or what's popular. I have been told that Carlos Vives kind of took vallenato and reshaped it to have more popular appeal, but that may initially have been within Colombia itself. But I admit I really don't know too much about Colombian music.

(Despite the way it may sound, I'm not saying that reshaping the music for a broader audience would be bad.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:31 (twenty years ago)

I dig ya, R_S. I had no idea myself, until I was corrected. For all I know, my "correctors" were full of crap themselves! Remember the dude from Argentina who told me Bersuit were crap? I was worried that I was only liking them for cultural credit until the dude admitted that he liked laptop noize soundscapes. That made me feel better, we weren't on the same page to begin with.

I am very much looking forward to what Shakira does next. It could be the craziest shit ever.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kochint.com/catalog/InfoPage.aspx?number=SFW-CD-40515

These sound clips sound good

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 5 November 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago)

"It's the album title. It's "Various Artists" but really a super-group made up of one group + lots of other outstanding musicians. I can't remember the name of the primary group."

They're called Grupo Cimarron. I reviewed them live last summer at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival in Washington D.C. where they were playing for free every day for a week or so. 2 singers, great instrumentalists...

steve-k, Friday, 5 November 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Here's part of my review---

Saturday night at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival's La Fonda stage, a program titled "Grassroots Traditions From Central and South America" offered both quiet and energetic takes on traditional Latin music styles.

Openers Los Primos, a Mexican-rooted combo led by two acoustic guitarists and a guitarron player, served up romantic, slow dance boleros. The Silver Spring-based Guatemalan family trio Marimba Linda Xelaju followed, using mallets on a hand-carved, xylophone-like instrument six feet long. Their easy-listening tinkling evoked images of a Latinized tiki bar.

Headliner Grupo Cimarron from Colombia had its slow and subtle moments, but the band preferred frenetic triple-meter rhythms on both instrumentals and vocal numbers. Featuring a harpist, cuatro guitarist, four-string bandola llanera guitarist, acoustic bassist, maracas and two vocalists, this all-star conglomerate expertly delivered the unique sounds of eastern plains joropo music.

Resembling flamenco with its speedy string work and foot-stomping tempos, this style, as rendered by Cimarron, has stayed more folkloric than the pop version its musicians deliver when working as studio players.

On "Llanero, Si Soy Llanero" ("Plainsman, Yes I Am a Plainsman"), singer Wilton Games, in a stylish white suit and cowboy hat, displayed the tenor power of a mariachi balladeer while the harpist swiftly plucked his strings.

Fellow vocalist Ana Veydo may have looked soft with roses in her hair, but her voice was as huskily assertive as the busy syncopation behind her that had listeners dancing by evening's end.

-- Steve Kiviat

steve-k, Monday, 8 November 2004 04:41 (twenty years ago)

I haven't listened to the cd since July. I need to listen to it again.

steve-k, Monday, 8 November 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Ned was in Ven....would be interesting to hear Ned thoughts on joropo

Ned's thoughts are that I doubtless did hear it but it wasn't pointed out to me as such.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
This is a really good cd, kudos Rockist.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm glade you like it, and thanks. I need to get my copy back from someone at work.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)


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