why is the only rap thread on ilm about nas' cock

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there's a reason for this. nas is the only respectable rapper left. jay got corny to highbrow taste (that is, volume 1, 3, roc la familia, the blueprint (kind of), the blueprint 2 and the black album (:|). it's hard to speak down on 50's name (actually, i think he might be better than nas, but for theory's sake let's say nas' tech is better than 50's), but nas is just realer! actually, this thread is about who is cornier, nas or 50 cent!

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

BEST THREAD EVER.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

50 Cent is cornier. I can't stand him or G-Unit anymore, and they only came out last year.
"Illmatic" is 10 years old and still sounds good to me.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard Illmatic for the first time this year and it was like bam

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I was first introduced to the guy through his Escobar shit and wasn't feeling it. How come nobody told me his first album was jazz-rap?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the term "jazz rap." Stop using it plz.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the point where the smoker would say "it's a free country" and give you a big puff of nicotine in the face.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i blundered my words a bit. actually, i believe 50 has technique superior to nas'. southern rappers brought something to the game, and 50 has it. maybe it's the bulletwound in the neck, but 50 shapes his flow with a southern-sounding accent. his multisyllabic complexity is a new breed. it definitely transcends biggie and pac, but is less complex than, say, the rawness of mystikal. i think a bunch of southern rappers have transcended 50's lyrical-flow complex. lil boosie easily, on a track like worldwide struggle. He evokes almost circular forms. 50 isn't on that level. A rapper like Turk can compete with 50. Any rapper who can be as serious as 50 can compete with 50. And 50 isn't that serious. How real is G-Unit compared to the solo careers of the hot boys and soulja slim?

Wouldn't it be cool if G-Unit was uncovered as a bunch of mediocre dudes that didn't actually come up together. Did Lloyd Banks really know 50 during childhood, or was that an article in a XXL i read in a dream? I can't really remember.

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

razz jap

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

further explanation: it was a way for critics to pigeonhole something they didn't understand; only a couple artists actually framed themselves as "jazz rap" (tribe, digable planets, us3) and what ppl call 'jazz rap' was basically ALL of the rap that flourished in the big production boom of the early 90s because it relied on specific technology and a movement of producers who used that technology (Marley Marl, Paul C, Q-Tip, beatnuts, large pro, pete rock, premier, finesse, diamond, beatminerz, etc etc etc). They weren't sampling JUST jazz, it was basically a movement that sampled period - the idea was that because technology allowed them to do a lot more with sampling they could move beyond james brown drum breaks and into a much wider pallete of sample sources - that included, yes, jazz, but also funk, soul, and pop music.

So yeah....I'm not a real big fan of the term "jazz rap."

xp to P$ I think yr overstating 50's lyrical influence. Boosie is great though yeah, and g-unit i find pretty boring, they're so middle of the road, like more bland versions of much better rappers (like the hot boys etc.)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

that should say:

what ppl call 'jazz rap' was basically ALL of the rap that flourished in the big production boom of the early 90s in New York

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

although it was true throughout the country as well (Pharcyde, UGK etc.)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

but aaron, you can't hate g-unit because of it's commercial viability. didn't you hear get rich or die tryin', or any of the mixtape tracks lloyd kills shit on (check g-unit radio 6, 50 cent f/lloyd banks - these niggas ain't hood), or part of young buck's album?

UGK etc.)
Pimp C did jazz beats?

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't like them. I don't think they have anything to say.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

No, but he did sample-based production.
Which is why I don't like the term "jazz-rap" because it doesn't really make any sense to apply as a genre name. What makes a song "jazz rap"? - because they sample jazz? I bet pimp c sampled jazz tracks at one point or another.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think yr overstating 50's lyrical influence. Boosie is great though yeah, and g-unit i find pretty boring, they're so middle of the road, like more bland versions of much better rappers (like the hot boys etc.)

50's influence is deeper than any hotboy. he's arguably better than big and pac.

I just don't like them. I don't think they have anything to say. you foulass racist

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was only like 9 or 10 when i was listening to this stuff and at no time did any of the friends who put me on or the radio stations i listened to say "here's the new jazz-rap cut off of hard to earn," no, it was just another hard-ass Premier beat called "Mass Appeal." jazz rap was this weird critic description word.

50's influence is deeper than any hotboy. he's arguably better than big and pac.
Anything's arguable, but that's pretty questionable.
I do think GRODT is pretty hot though. But dude come on - Biggie never did anything as weak as 21 Questions.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a foulass racist because I don't like G-Unit? WTF?

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe, dj, but what was true throughout the country as well?

21 questions is classic. i love you like a fat kid loves cake, come on. undeniable.

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

21 Questions is the dumbest shit ever. Gloves are off, man.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF I'M A RACIST BECAUSE I HATE G UNIT?!no, because you don't think "they" have anything to say. are you talking about all of g-unit? most heads at least respect young buck.

21 questions is clever. yeah, gloves are off, man! get real. get with the program. my gloves are off. fuck you

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, gloves are off, man!

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant that sample-based production was also being represented on the west coast and in the south. It was dominant, though, in NYC.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate the term jazz rap, too. sampling's always been everywhere. dre was sampling in the early 90's.

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"They" as in the group G-Unit in general. I don't see how this translates to anything racial.
"Get with the program"? Because I don't tow the line of what "most heads" like?
What kind of bullshit sheep mentality is this? I have to like what the magazines said was good? I'm more interested in the new Kool Keith or whatever than whatever the fuck XXL and the Source thinks I should like this month.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"I Can" is a lot cornier than anything 50 Cent has ever done, although there's a more corn-based undercurrent to most of 50 Cent's work than there is Nas's.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That's pretty much OTM

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

outkast

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Me on G-Unit

I'm very tired of 21 Questions because the beat is pretty dull and although 50s performance is pretty understated and cool I've heard it so many times that I can't really take it any more. I think "Gotta Make it To Heaven" is a really cool closing track, "In Da Club" is like an eternal club classic, and the album as a whole is pretty great. I wouldn't put 50 in Big's league, and he doesn't yet have the same unbreakable charisma hold over the rap masses that pac had, but we'll have to see where he goes in the next couple years. His position as a great rapper is pretty much unquestionable - he's clever, cool and collected, and i feel like he could totally destroy someone's crew with one line if he wanted.

G-Unit as a whole I'm not so big on.
Lloyd Banks is like the Al Gore of rap. Its rap for napping, as Serg says. That said when he's got the right beat he can really deliver like on "I'm So Fly" or "Wanna Get to Know You" with slick lines ("banks is cooler than the other side of the pillow" "I can make a 40 year old feel like a young lady") but on the whole dude is a snooze.

Game...I've only heard a couple cuts but dude didn't really stand out to me. "Fresh '83" is pretty hot though. Yeah, that track's really cool, 50 kills it. nice 808 thing.

Young Buck is exciting compared to Game and Lloyd Banks but compared to lots of other southern rappers he's not all that thrilling, like a more subdued version.

The g-unit album was mixed, i thought "stunt 101" sucked, the best single was the love song! I do like that g-unit guys sound like they don't even have to work when they're rapping, everything sounds really effortless.

Sometimes I wish they'd be a little weirder, like the Diplomats or something...everything is so immaculately produced (i don't mean the beats) like all the rough edges are rounded.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that should say

Young Buck is exciting compared to Game and Lloyd Banks but compared to lots of other southern rappers he's not all that thrilling, like a more subdued version of the best crunk rappers.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

dom, i can is a children's song.

dj, lloyd banks as al gore is pretty funny, but he seems kind of like scottie pippen to me. young buck might be horace grant.

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

but i kind of see what you mean about all the rough edges being rounded, like g-unit releases are flawless, but they still aren't great, like young buck's album. i haven't heard hunger for more except for a quick glance over, but i love lloyd banks on the mixtapes. if you ever want a g-unit revival you should get that track off volume 6.

― P$, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"other side of the pillow" is a bite anyhow, as Joe Budden has pointed out.

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

50 cent is the all time corniest. cornier than ja rule. nas is the only one whos not a complete joke left in mainstream american hip hop.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

illmatic wasnt jazz rap. NY state of mind isnt 'jazzy' or jazz-rap in the slightest. when i think of jaz rap i think of feathery, light in the ass 'positive' rap. nas wasnt rapping about any positive airy fairy stuff at ALL.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

he was sampling jazz tho

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

still if you want corny, the new Nas single pretty much takes the cake - but i wouldn't begrudge him wanting to have a hit (probably).

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

but just cos you sample jazz doesnt make you 'jazz rap'. why isnt marley marls symphony called a 'soul-rap' song? it samples an otis redding song after all.

at least the nas corny single had good motives behind it.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

'jazz rap' is a term i'm happy to apply to any TRACK (not artist) with a notable jazz influence (obv. this will be the sample, unless you're talking about Saul Williams or something quite different) - ten years ago these were my favourite kinda rap tracks ('Mass Appeal', 'Electric Relaxation', 'The World Is Yours')

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i can understand the consternation tho because it may be assumed that 'jazz sampling hip hop' was more 'cerebral' than the soul/funk sampling stuff - which isn't 'true' for sure

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but that term is related to a specific time period and style in hip hop. its like me saying, hmmmmm, let me just go and label the sex pistols metal cos they had loud guitars or something. nas did not sound anything like step in the arena-era gang starr, digable planets, any of those people, not musically nor in his rapping.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

that really doesn't matter

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"no you CAN'T call them BOTH hip-hop, they sound totally different from each other!"

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

dont be silly. im not saying digables arent hip hop or anything like that.

never mind though, i can see this discussion going nowhere. im going off to listen to the greatest soul-rap hits of kool g rap. now theres a great soul-rap artist if there ever was one.

youre like a rap colonialist steve, trying to take over with no care for the traditions of the land, lol.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you're too precious with your genre handles. lumping a bunch of different tracks together because they all have something in common and giving it a label for your own convenience is pretty harmless when all's said. or maybe i should be a little more specific - 'jazz-SAMPLING rap, yeh i liked a lot of that stuff back then'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"you're too precious with your genre handles."

im willing to accept that might be true.

ive always just said jazzy rap though. jazz sampling rap takes forever to spit out.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh and that 'y' looks a little superfluous, how about just jazz rap? ;)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

*combusts free-jazz coltrane stylee*

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we go back to the point in the thread where ILM finally figured out that 50 Cent sucks ass?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

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50 runs circles around nas who's never been anything but a security blanket for people too hard for outkast but discomfited by pac.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Nas has much better jams and production than 50, pound for pound, based on what i've heard (mostly singles)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

You're so hard Adam, teach me to be as real as you.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"50 runs circles around nas who's never been anything but a security blanket for people too hard for outkast but discomfited by pac."

huh?

50 can barely flow, hes like a better cam'ron.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a thread about Devin The Dude too.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You're so hard Adam, teach me to be as real as you.

well padawan i learned all my shit from gta:san andreas. so check that out. note the lack of nas on the soundtrack (i think).

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i like 50, nas, outkast AND pac! i don't have a clue though.

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

and not flowing like every other mc from 90s ny /= can barely flow.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am continually mystified by the love given to 50 Cent.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

haha defensive "everybody knows I'm right, you idiot" rap fans are the new defensive "everybody knows I'm right, you idiot" techno fans on ILX.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, its not about sounding like 90s NY rappers. UGK can flow, TI can flow, killer mike can flow, none of these guys sound like 90s rappers. 50 just sort of mumbles. i like it, dont get me wrong, hes just not as fluid a rapper as nas.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(un)surprisingly I agree with stevem. I tend to call anything where someone is rapping over timbres and instruments (be they sampled or live or whatever) as jazz-rap. It's shorthand. Please don't tell me white people are going to start making rules about rap terminology now too. Cuz that's the death-knoll.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll suggest 50 has better lines and they're delivered well enough (just little things like 'i thought that you'd be happy i made it' really resonate)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, that should be anybody rapping over timbres and instruments I associate with jazz.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

white people be making rules about rap terminology like THIS

― KRS Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I'd be cool with KRS-One deciding the rules of rap terminology. For he is the god of hip-hop. Hip-hop is a little dog on a leash that he drags behind him.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

miccio we're not talking about rap terminology we're talking about critical terminology. Bcuz its critics who use the words "jazz rap," not real* people.

*haha

Adam, I don't know if that remark about 90s NYC flowing was directed at me, but I'm one of the few people still around here who posts about southern rap regularly. And I'm hardly applying some 90s NYC standards to my favorite rappers.

xpost KRS-1 is an idiot.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, not everyones white here. or at least im not. KRS 1's opinion hasnt counted for much in years though.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

jazz-rap is just something i applied myself FOR myself. i don't recall seeing much usage of it as a subgenre reference to be honest. but people can categorise music how they like as long as they're clear about it when arguing.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I apologize for the race-baiting there. I just balk when people can only back up their opinion by saying "have you done the reading? have you studied the proper recording and texts?" It's very MC Serch.

stevem otm

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam, I don't know if that remark about 90s NYC flowing was directed at me

it wasn't, it was directed at titchyschneider re: 50's barely flowing. nas to me is kind of a 90s ny vocal style megazord--smooth from tip with some of the more percussive chuck d inflection and etc etc.

WHERE IS THE I LOVE THE DIRTY SOUTH BOARD

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i already named southern rappers who are 683495689464564954694564 times better than 50. ludacris would murder 50.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

some of y'all need to invade this forum

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

particularly the "Discuss Anything Crunk" folder. Dig on those thread titles.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ludacris hasn't released as good a song as "In Da Club" since...what, I donno...the singles from his first album.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

'Stand Up' isn't too far behind 'In Da Club' - it grew on me. i'd like to know good Luda album tracks please.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

stand up is a hundred times better than in da club in every way. and luda's second album is brilliant and chock full of anthems!

by the way, people dont seem to be taking hip hop too seriously on this thread. or rather, the ones that are are getting mocked. i call 'rockist'.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"haha defensive "everybody knows I'm right, you idiot" rap fans are the new defensive "everybody knows I'm right, you idiot" techno fans on ILX"

and rock/indie/nothing in particular fans are the new condescending 'everybody knows im right' hip hop tourists on ILX.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people just like music.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Luda about 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more than I like 50 Cent, even on weak throwaway songs like "Splash Waterfalls".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

aside from some ironic site names, I don't get a "everybody knows i'm right" from the tourists. The take is much more openly subjective.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the big commercial advantage 50 has over Nas is that Nas isn't funny. When he tries to be it's embarrassing. Practically every really successful rapper in history, except for Tupac and Nas, have had at least a few good jokes on their records.

― antexit (antexit), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Nas may not tell jokes, but the dude's descriptions can often be hilarious.

She passed me the indigo, but the imbecile
shoulda never tippy-toed, thought my eyes were closed
Openin the hotel room do', to let her goons in
But I moved in a manner, on some Jet Li shit

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

DMX doesn't make with the laughlaugh that much.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

only DMX song I ever heard that I really liked (admittedly I've heard little) was "Up In Here," which is a gas.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Unless unrelenting homophobia is funny to you.
x-post

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people just like music.

And some ppl use that as a (rather ironic) excuse when other people catch them holding an ideological line in music.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Luda about 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more than I like 50 Cent, even on weak throwaway songs like "Splash Waterfalls".

This is just ridiculous. "Good songs by 50 are worse than bad songs by ludacris" = "good songs are worse than bad songs"

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't be pedantic. He's saying that ludacris's gifts are so much greater than 50's that he enjoys Luda's weakest material more than 50's best.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if you're comparing someone you like's work to someone you don't this is entirely plausible and understandable as a matter of taste.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Its weird how people seperate MC from song.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You might rather listen to your friend read the phone book than Ethel Merman recite Shakespeare.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Except "song" refers to the whole package, not the content.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

FOR THE LAST TIME, NOT LIKING 50/G-UNIT DOES NOT EQUAL HAVING SOME SORT OF AGENDA. GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR CORNY, SORRY-ASS MTV/BET RAPPERS.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

we should do a things nas shouldnt ever do on record post.

eg -

jokes
sex talk
relationship talk
skits

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

say anything (chortle)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Because, as a part of their pathetic need to always be "relevant", the ILM members suddenly discovered that rap has been around for 25 years. That is, rap is old, time to put it in the museums with Beatles and Stones and move on to something else.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

What should we move on to Geir? Name one or two artists only plz.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

POLKA!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

sex talk

No doubt....Nas comes off all sociopathic and creepy everytime he talks about sex, but not even offbeat funny like kool keith seems sociopathic and creepy....it's never funny or fun or...um...sexy....god his sex stuff makes me cringe.

(i like nas, btw, and love briding the gap, which like made you look is inflating my expectations of the new album to levels that can only result in me being terribly disappointed)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

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