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Ok, here is my question what the fuck is wrong with this society today people who spend all there time talking about hate saying i hate this i hate that, bitching about people because there not like you if any of you guys dont like Grateful Dead then shut the fuck up and dont listen to them. and honestly i never get pissed off the much at all but when i hear people say they hate GD that pisses me off! Anouther thing whats with the hate against the hippys, why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world. So just think about that and the next time you say you HATE, and ask yourself, Why the Hatred. Todd T. (Deadhead)

p.s.- Love you Jerry, you may be gone but your still rockin' down here.

― Todd T., Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago)

hate is the new love.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Either lock thread or erase every thread EXCEPT this thread.

― Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago)

I really, really hate the Grateful Dead.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Why the hatred man. WHY THE HATRED.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago)

You just don't get this f*cking world!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah man, this world is all about eating $5 veggie burritos in a parking lot while praying for a "miracle" and showering money on a fat, addled grandpa so he can shove more primo-Columbian up his nose.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago)

i'd suggest slowly replacing your marijuana fixation with

http://mi.bpcdn.us/C_Rich27/haterade.gif

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago)

I love the mary-jane, yet the trustafarians give me the heebiejeebies. go figure.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:02 (twenty years ago)

That's because they're smoking all your grass.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:02 (twenty years ago)

Anouther thing whats with the hate against the hippys, why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world.

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahahahahah

trustafarians

hahahahahhahahaha thats the first time ive ever heard that, but its so true.

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago)

just felt like getting that brilliant pearl of wisdom out in the open once more in case you missed it the first time
xpost

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Deadhead hates Deadhead haters, doesn't get why Dead dislikers dislike Deadheads, shocka

― kong kong clunkjob, Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago)

bitching about people because there not like you if any of you guys dont like Grateful Dead then shut the fuck up and dont listen to them

Thank you Todd T. Dead-Head. Thank you. This needed to be said SO badly -- just as badly as you said it! And it's true, just like you said: whats with the hate against the hippys. Thank goodness that there are still a few like you out there who actually get this fucking world.

― briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago)

i dont mean to dwell on this trustafarians issue....

but im going to.

i go to a large public university, and i hang out with more than a few of these characters, probably because i really like drugs (but enough about me). its just so amazing how these fucking white boy dreadlocked assholes know SO much about the world after going on phish tour and/or going to bonnaroo, yet they cant form a coherent political thought beyond "fuck bush" or "no blood for oil" because of all the bong resin accumulated in their skulls. but what does it matter? dad pays the bills anyway, and he probably had horrible musical tastes when he was that age too.

*sigh*

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:36 (twenty years ago)

It's odd because I never really ended up dealing with anyone like this in college -- then again I went to UCLA late eighties/early nineties, perhaps the amounts were limited then. The only person who claim close kinship with that stereotype (thanks to Dead worship and weed intake, plus long hair -- no dreads, though) had too much of an insane sense of humor to be a moron and is now a happily married father who is still insane (in a good way).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Reasons to hate the Dead include:
1: "dudes" wanting to trade you stickers they made for weed
2: lentil chili

however, The Grateful Dead themselves between 71 and 78 are damn fine, and it's a shame one has to apologize for their irrating fans. (Because, as we all know every single fan who likes --oh say the Outkast--is just totally cool.)

― king_oliver (king_oliver), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago)

My college was infested with the BMW-drivin' Deadheads JD was lamenting as well. Then again, there was a kid I went to grade school with named Richard who got heavily into the Dead, dropped out of society, supported himself by selllin' dope in Central Park (and, oddly, singing an acoustic rendition of the Jetsons' theme song for spare change). He lived it...following the band around and all that. My problem with both of them (the posers and the legits)...is only that I never found the Grateful Dead's music exceptional enough to warrant such activity. I mean, there just wasn't anything that exciting or especially inspiring about it. It wasn't bad per se, but nothing worth gettin' all blissed out about.

But, y'know, in 2004, why are we still discussing this? The Dead are....er...dead, no?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Struck me that a lot of kids at my college -- Denison University, if you must know -- seemed to get into the Dead because it was largely perceived as 'the thing to do" (or at least if you were a tobacco-chewin', Vaurnet-wearin' frat-schmuck wannabe with little or no imagination). That sorta scene completely turned me off. I wasn't too enthralled with the hippies either, but at least they seemed to have a genuine appreciation for the music and the lifestyle...however unexceptional.

Also, hippies fuckin' smell.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

in the 70's, the grateful dead pioneered high fidelity live sound in stadiums. it almost didn't matter _what_ they were playing, the sheer physical presence & clear frequency seperation of the sound was its own living thing, no one had heard anything so loud, well-defined, with such dynamic range, etc.

almost none of these aspects translate well to home recording

― (Jon L), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah, but a boring noodley guitar solo is still a boring, noodley guitar solo, regardless of how it's being amplified.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Reasons to hate the Dead include:
1: "dudes" wanting to trade you stickers they made for weed
2: lentil chili

I AM IN TEARS HERE

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Dude I saw that Live at Winterland thing on PBS and all Jerry did was run through boring scales over boring chord progressions for two hours.
And don't even get me started on their singing.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)

I assume Dan has some stories to share.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

"...why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world."

"acually"

I don't know what this word means, but I kinda like it! Try it! Roll it around a little. Look ma, no glottal stop!

― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 12 November 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Hippie dudes are annoying, but who doesn't love a sexy earth mama, braless in her sun dress, who can't wait to get stoned and naked with you? That'll melt even the most frothing hippie-hater.

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago)

aww man. now i fuckin wanna get stoned and naked with some earth mama. shit.

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago)

me too me too.

but is she smelly?

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure the lack of a bath has been covered up with a generous application of patchouli oil.

― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 12 November 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago)

lack of bath makes cunnilingus a fishy proposition.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago)

"...why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world."

This really is the most preposterously loatheable statement ever posted on ILX. I'm going to go snap a copy of Shakedown Street in half now just as a matter of principle.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:21 (twenty years ago)

What's Shakedown Street?

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago)

"...why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world."
This really is the most preposterously loatheable statement ever posted on ILX. I'm going to go snap a copy of Shakedown Street in half now just as a matter of principle.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), November 12th, 2004.

Preposterously loatheable? Or wrong-headed and, when you think about it, just kind of silly?

― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 12 November 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Dude I saw that Live at Winterland thing on PBS and all Jerry did was run through boring scales over boring chord progressions for two hours.
And don't even get me started on their singing.

So... you don't like rock or blues music, then? Because it is all boring scales over boring chord progressions. And don't even get me started on the singing.

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago)

no jerry is more boring. he ran scales with no imagination whatsoever.
Don't geet me started on Otis Rush and Ritchie Blackmore.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago)

(meaning they have imagination and are Blues and rock musicians)

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Hippie dudes are annoying, but who doesn't love a sexy earth mama, braless in her sun dress, who can't wait to get stoned and naked with you? That'll melt even the most frothing hippie-hater.
-- shookout (shookou...), November 12th, 2004.

otm

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago)

...but wait till the thick of the evening, when the dealing gets rough...

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago)

I don't like the Grateful Dean

I'll be grateful when they're all dead.

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't like the Grateful Dead

I'll be grateful when they're all dead.

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Ahahahahahahaaaa Grateful Dean!

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:56 (twenty years ago)

I prefer the idea of the Grateful Dean myself.

http://www.isu.edu/engineer/images/kunze.jpg

"Thank you, Penthouse, for increasing enrollment."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:57 (twenty years ago)

no jerry is more boring. he ran scales with no imagination whatsoever.

Funny, he had a very unique style for having no imagination, compared to the rest of the blues rockers out there.

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Not that night he didn't.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago)

my favorite part of the live dead set album is when jerry sings, " and if i had a shotgun, i'd blow you straight to hell" and the entire crowd erupts in an explosion of delight. Peaceful, my ass!!!! They were out for blood! And your children!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:09 (twenty years ago)

WHERE O WHERE IS KATE THE SAINT?!?!?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.jaxtechnology.com/starbelly/Images/IndexPage/hippies.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago)

hippies eat my backdoor

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago)

Surely you have heard the following joke: What did one Deadhead say to the other when the acid wore off?

Punchline temporarily withheld

― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago)

That's a nicely dadaist answer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago)

THIS BAND SUCKS

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago)

It's funny that there are true music snobs and rock critics on both side of this fence. I think it's always been a very popular opinion that the Dead sucked, but it has also always been a very popular opinion that "they never did a bad show". I was in a little independent record store in New York a few weeks ago looking for used electronica and the music snobs/owners up front went from analyzing Megadeth's new album to discussing the Grateful Dead. When the latest "Dick's Picks" came up, the phrase was unleashed again: "Just once, just once I'd like to hear a bad show, just so I could say, 'Yes they did a bad show!'"

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago)

-- (milto...), November 11th, 2004. (later)

yeah, but a boring noodley guitar solo is still a boring, noodley guitar solo, regardless of how it's being amplified.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), November 11th, 2004. (later)

Milton is saying that it DID make a difference => noodley gtr solos were not noodley anymore and it wasn't just the drugs.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago)

They "never did a bad show" because no one that hates listening to a guy dick around a guitar for three hours would ever go to see one of their shows.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I prefer Alex In NYC's approach here. Plus dave225 otm.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago)

dave225, my point was that there are two equally valid opinions. Not ever dead fan is a retard.

They "never did a bad show" because no one that hates listening to a guy dick around a guitar for three hours would ever go to see one of their shows.

I can think of many people who take this attitude towards the dead who will sit for hours and listen to some tosser like Kid 606 "dick around" or some 3-chord punk band "dick around." It's all dicking around and it's all boring.

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago)

They "never did a bad show" because no one that hates listening to a guy dick around a guitar for three hours would ever go to see one of their shows.

Sounds like Derek Bailey *ducks*

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago)

They did lots and lots of bad shows. A lot of those 80's shows are brutal to listen to. Like death warmed over. I just wish they had better drummers. But I like the dead. They had a lot of great songs. And I love all the 60's stuff. Jerry's first solo album is wonderful. Hell, I even like Old & In The Way. And Ace! Actually, they just needed better drummers, a better bass player, a solid keyboard player, and someone to replace Bob Weir. Then they would have been great! Actually, if they had done all that, they would have been the Allman Brothers. Who were great!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I've always thought that Jerry Garcia was really talented and it's too bad he didn't have a better band, one that could play a backbeat...the noodly quality is more Phil Lesh's fault. Worst bassist of all time. And Weir is the worst singer of all time.

As far as bad shows, even Deadheads agree that the last few years, when the herion was getting the better of Garcia, were very bad

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago)

My exposure to the Dead is very limited, but I've heard stuff I didn't particularly like and stuff that I really like a lot. Most of the stuff I like is live stuff and most of the stuff I truly dislike is very early Dead or very late Dead. But even in their later days, I liked that Live Without A Net thing.

The Allman Brothers I can't get into for some reason. There are a few songs I like, but something about that guitar I find "boring" because it just sounds typical to me. By contrast, I can't think of anyone who plays the weird little solos Jerry Garcia was known for.

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago)

he could barely stand up at a lot of those shows. too bad they were so greedy, he should have been home in bed.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Lloyd, I'm just funnin' .. I don't hate the Dead nearly as much as I hate their unjustified praise.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago)

A while ago, my dad was cranking some fairly recent little feat live album, and it was better then most live dead you will ever here. and i'm talking 21st century little feat! spacey, rocking, jazzy, it sounded great. the dead had the songs. and jerry.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Cool, Dave, I wasn't offended or anything. I understand your point of view, completely. I was just trying to point out something that's probably obvious, anyway; that GD have really polarized the "rock n' roll elite" (and by that, I just mean music nerds). I can't think of many other bands that did that to the extent GD did.

Scott— Little Feat huh? That is a band I have only heard of. I will definitely have to check them out. Which album were you referring to just now? I'd like to hear it.

― Lloyd Price, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago)

lack of bath makes cunnilingus a fishy proposition.

That and you have to weedwack your way through yards of nappy bush.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago)

NRBQ: newest hipster favorites!

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago)

but your spot on with getting naked with hippie girls. they were my girls of choice in college.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago)

"...why would you hate the only people who acually get this fucking world."

Pretty strong meat there - amazing how this much-quoted statement really inspired the replies! I just wanna know, is that "get" as in "understand", or "receive"? "Inherit"? Which?

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Weighing in as an old non-hippie, I'm of the opinion, based on shows I've seen, that the Allmans, Little Feat and NRBQ all >>> Grateful Dead. Not that I'm harboring hate against the hippies, the Dead or anybody else who actually gets this fucking world, 'cause hell if I do.

The one Dead show I went to, late 70's indoor stadium style, was for sure one of the bad ones. My friend and I literally walked all the way up to stage front through a crowd of lolling stoners, and stood there a couple of arm's lengths away from JG as he noodled away with that beatific Uncle Jerry smile on his face. And I swear on my Tao Te Ching that he looked me square in the eye at one point and the understanding passed between us that, "Yeah, we're mailing this one in." I was just a kid, and the realization that rock-n-roll could be that boring was very disenchanting.

― briania (briania), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago)

On the other hand, there are moments of the Dead on record that I do enjoy very much. Guess I'm bass-ackward on this issue.

― briania (briania), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Lloyd you might also want to check out Savoy Brown if you're into that stuff

I only went to one Dead show in my life, at Giants Stadium, and I didn't even get in because some "hippy" in circular mirror peace-symbol shades had sold us fake tickets

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

hippy con artists are the worst kind of hippies and the worst kind of con artists.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago)

"Dude I saw that Live at Winterland thing on PBS and all Jerry did was run through boring scales over boring chord progressions for two hours."

"The Closing of the Winterland" special was my conversion on the road to Damascus, as it were. I liked the Dead briefly in high school before p--k r--k, and then thought I hated them fiercely, ever since a college roommate and his dirty hippy friends overplayed them. But I watched that special recently and it was like, "Wow, I actually like the Dead." And I wasn't stoned! But ya gotta destroy, destroy, destroy post-Godchaux Dead, especially Brett Mydland's horrid Doobie Brothers influences (and beard!)

― king_oliver (king_oliver), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

http://werenotsorry.com/images/1southma.JPG

― Spinning Down Alone You Spin Alive (ex machina), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago)

"NRBQ: newest hipster favorites!"

No way, dood, it's all about Los Lobos!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Los Lobos IS great. Latin Playboys are even greater tho. Maybe the best "side project" ever.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago)

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