beasties pioneer sampling ?

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"The Beastie Boys - Michael Diamond, Adam Horowitz, and Adam Yauch - are considered to be one of early pioneers of sampling music. "

were they or not ?

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

*Cough*.....Dust Brothers......*cough*......Rick Rubin.....*cough*

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

art of noise

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoever wrote that article is totally clueless.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

although.... 'cookie puss' was an early example of sample music, that crossed over to a wider audience and won notoriety after British Airways sampled part of it themselves, without permisssion, for a tv commercial. so maybe that's not too far from the point?

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not "early" by decades though, is it? If they'd used your "crossed over to a wider audience" line I don't think you could debate that too much, ie more lazy than wrong

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

but wasn't cookie puss 1983? that's still early, in terms of sampler-based urban music.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Did they produce Cookie Puss all by themselves? I don't even know.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Beastie Boys - Michael Diamond, Adam Horowitz, and Adam Yauch - are considered to be one of early pioneers of sampling music. "

Oh yeah, Al Gore invented the internet. I read it in The Da Vinci Code.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

articles like this read like awful 'lets hoist such and such white rap artist over black artists in the genre' bollocks.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, it's a news story about the Beastie Boys. Any attempt to find an agenda in there would be a needle in a haystack scenario, I'd imagine

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i know, im just doing my paranoid hip hop fan routine thing though.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

How, praytell, did BA incorporate that song into their advertising campaign? Do any UK ILM'ers remember the actual ad?

― Carl Crack, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I swear there are two "Bonzo Dog Band" songs that utilized sampling, or at least looping in a way similar to a sample, but I can't figure out what they're called or what albums they're on. One uses the a loop of a maniacal laugh, the other a loop of a billards break (meaning they're looped in a rhythmic way to form the backbone of the song).

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

negativland

― mark one, Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

There are sample based tracks from the '50s (Goodman and whatever his name was, the guys who did the flying saucer track which was a hit and got them sued.) The Beastie Boys didn't invent anything.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Buchanan & Goodman and "The Flying Saucers Parts 1 through 6,000" was the track (but they did a bunch of these records, that one was just the most well known.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

And as far as hip hop groups actually using a SAMPLER, I believe that the Ultramagnetic MCs were the first to do so.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The article doesn't say they invented sampling. It says that the Beastie Boys, as a band (the word "one" is used) are early pioneers of sampling music. And Paul's Boutique is commonly thought of as a pioneering sampling album. That album is credited to the Beastie Boys. It makes sense to me.

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a more defensible argument, even though it is not true either. Paul's Boutique is late in the game to be considered a pioneer--if anything Paul's Boutique and Fear of a Black Planet were the peak and the sadly the DEATH KNELL for this kind of sample heavy rap.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah gilbert o'sullivan vs. biz markie was shortly after that

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it seems fair to say that the Beastie Boys (DJ Hurricaine, and Dust Brothers, really) did original interesting things with samples, but so did a lot of other hip-hop groups. I guess if you want to call them part of a large group of "pioneers," that's fine.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

There is wayyyy too much distance between the beasties themselves and actual 'sampling pioneers' for me to be comfortable with. Never mind the fact that the beasties were rappers not producers, when i think of sampling pioneers i think of paul c marley marl (from the p's boutique period anyway).

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

for me to be comfortable with
should read
for me to be comfortable with that sentence

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(DJ Hurricaine, and Dust Brothers, really)

Hurricane did jack shit - he wasn't in the band for Ill, wasn't in the state for Paul's, and is on one track apiece for CYH and Ill Comm. And the latter he only appears by phone!

Never mind the fact that the beasties were rappers not producers

they've got co-production credits on everything they did from 1981-1999. though obvs it turns to disaster when the "co-" disappears, but that's not because they never had any ideas or learnt what they were doing in the studio.

(Mencap OTM)

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

articles like this read like awful 'lets hoist such and such white rap artist over black artists in the genre' bollocks.

-- titchyschneider (titchyschneide...), November 11th, 2004.

dude, it's a well known fact that blondie invented rap.

― de Chastelard, Friday, 12 November 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha that looks like it was written for the Onion.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Blondie's Rapture, probably the first mainstream rap record.

No way! I thought Eminem invented rap! duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm... long-ass article alert.

blondie rescuing rap from itself is at the bottom. xpost

― de Chastelard, Friday, 12 November 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurricane did jack shit - he wasn't in the band for Ill, wasn't in the state for Paul's, and is on one track apiece for CYH and Ill Comm. And the latter he only appears by phone!

But who did all that scratching?

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 12 November 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Deejay Double R, EZ Mike, King Gizmo, Adrock...

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i met and interviewed DJ Hurricane once and he was quite a nice chap. solo album pretty dull tho.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Kit, I was being mildly facetious wrt the first 2 albums, but I'm somewhat suprised to find that the "My brother Adrock, plugging up on the turntables" line is supposedly true for most of the next 2 (Hurra was hardly uber-skilled or anything, but still).

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, Hurra might have done the odd bit here and there (there was footage on the Sabotage VHS of them jamming with him there going wshh-a wssshh-ah) but yeah supposedly Adrock did the lion's share of the turntables on the '90s stuff. Shouldn't be that surprising, though, when you consider the creativity of the beats on the Hurricane solos vs. say, everything Horowitz has ever done (OK then, say just the first BS2000 album). Or on general musical ability, that Adrock is competent on guitar, keyboards, samplers and drum machines, whereas live, Hurra only pressed 'play' on the DAT and scratched samples in over the top...

(the Oz-only version of the first Hurra album wasn't bad, but it had more Beastie-assisted tracks than the r-o-w version.)

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

BS2000 was a genius work.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

if anything Paul's Boutique and Fear of a Black Planet were the peak and the sadly the DEATH KNELL for this kind of sample heavy rap.

Exactly as I remembered it. I don't even remember Paul's Boutique being considered a commercial success at the time. Though the album caused me confusion years later trying to figure out that the Chemical Brothers were now called The Dust Brothers cause of the other Chemical Brothers.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone's busting on Hurricane - what, you guys didn't like the AFROS??!? That shit was great!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 November 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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