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What album would you suggest to someone who's only heard Opportunities and Paninaro? I really love these songs and want buy something by these guys.

Boxcar (Crapstone), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago)

popart

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago)

You've heard two (comparatively) upbeat songs, so it probably makes sense to go with their most upbeat album, which is "Very". If not, then obviously popart is a great starting point.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago)

yep, "Very" or "Actually" would be a good point to begin...

HS

hector savage, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Those two songs are both from the "Please" era. I'd rather say their two albums from the first half of the 90s remain their strongest work though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I'd say get all their early albums, up to maybe ten years ago. If that sounds too much, Pop Art is both great in itself and a decent guide to what stuff you like.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Echoing the PopArt recommendation. I'd almost say just get the DVD, it's around the same price and has all the songs plus the videos, though it doesn't include the singles specifically recorded for it, as well as the mix disc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Just out of curiosity (as I've got both records):

Are people now offering Popart as a suggestion *instead* of the discography/singles collection? I've often wondered why they did so much overlap between the two - to me it would've made more sense to make a single-disc second volume of the discography/singles collection, as the first stands pretty mightily on its own.
(they put everything on from the first, save Was It Worth It)

it all just seems a bit unnecessary to me

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago)

The first is definitely a treat and has the advantage (?) of chronological progression. In that respect, the DVD is useful, as it *does* have "Was It Worth It?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Discography is a far superior collection. All PSB albums from 1986-93 plus the two-volume Alternative compilation of B-sides are likewise indispensable.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:31 (twenty years ago)

All PSB albums from 1986-93 plus the two-volume Alternative compilation of B-sides are likewise indispensable.

Here's a TS for you -- buying them in that format vs. the double-disc reissues from Please to Very which include all the Alternative cuts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago)

those double-diec reissues were one of the best purchases i ever made

i like how the first disc left the album intact and the second filled in with all kinds of neat mixes, demos and b-sides

so, naturally i'll say the double-disc versions

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm...I'm sentimentally attached to the original Alternative package, as it came out the same day as Goldie's Timeless and the cover designs/colour schemes of the two virtually matched. Also I like the idea of a bleak Bizarro-world Pet Shop Boys where things like "Your Funny Uncle" or "We All Feel Better In The Dark" were the hits. That Monday was also overcast and cloudy. I recall standing on Vauxhall Bridge that morning listening to "Do I Have To?" on my Discman and getting that Hart Crane moment.

But if you're on a budget then I guess just go for the double-disc reissues.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago)

i love the b-side collections, but i wouldn't recommend it to someone who'd just heard those 2 trax!

both popart and discography are DEAD CHEAP, so there's little in it. pop art gives you a taste of the later stuff - which might be of use to someone who'd heard v little. i do prefer discography cos i'm not taken with the later stuff all that much :-(

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago)

the reissues have been great, with the bonus mixes etc. esp as i first bought them on cassette, so the "format upgrade" feels easier to justify to my wallet

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago)

PopArt does a better job of summarising their late albums than Discography does the earlies. Less filler on the early albums, which is why you really need everything up to "Very" ideally.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago)

The double-disc versions. Not only for the remastered quality, but for the hefty booklets of anecdotal song origins. Their wit shines in those booklets. Plus as rentboy says, first disc keeps the album intact, which should placate the purist.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago)

i'd get please and actually. and suburbia. wait is that last one an album? whats disco? is that a remixed version of suburbia? whatever, get the first two, then the one with th bluey green blurred cover

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago)

AMbrose is trying to say "Get _Please_, _Actually_, and _Disco_." I Agree with him but also suggest _Alternative_ because that's easily the best compilation of PSB material out that I've heard.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago)

PopArt > Discography, because you just cannot write off everything post-93, no way, no sir.

Specifically: Se A Vida E (pure concentrated joy in a can), A Red Letter Day (it GETS me, man), I Don't Know What You Want..., You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk (dissing, punk, hee!), Home And Dry (makes me cry), I Get Along (it's about Blair-n-Mandy u kno).

And also because Discography's strictly chronological timeline gets a bit wearing; the "pop"/"art" split may border on the arbitrary at times, but the track sequencing is still intelligently done.

Most glaring omission from Alternative: the swing version of "Can You Forgive Her", re-recorded with a full swing band arrangement, and at least 98% as good as the original.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

marcello whats the hart crane moment?
i know what u mean and all but who/what the heck is hart crane?

(oh and check the INGA 1990 cover of DO I HAVE TO? if u haven't).

piscesboy, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I really don't like "Can You Forgive Her?" It pales in comparison to "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing", "Yesterday When I Was Mad", "One And One Make Five" and "Liberation (E Smoove mix)".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago)

dan has surprised me.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago)

He has sorta surprised me, but please keep in mind one of his few moments of mentalism in an otherwise sane existence is his bizarre insistence that Introspective has only one good song on it, "I'm Not Scared." (Which is very good indeed but IS NOT ALONE.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't like "Go West", either.

It's odd because I really adore most of their stuff (I loved _Release_, for example, and think "Home And Dry" is genius) but there are certain things that really, really aggravate me, like "Domino Dancing", "Always On My Mind", "Can You Forgive Her?", and "Go West", but those things are greatly overshadowed by the fact that most of their tracks are as great as "Se A Vida E (Deep Dish Mix)" or "The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On" or every version of "I Want A Dog" that doesn't appear on _Introspective_.

(xpost RAISE YOUR STANDARDS, PSB FANS)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

You only don't like Domino Dancing because you're American!
(yes, I'm being flip)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

DAN, IS YOUR BLOOD BOILING?!?!?!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I maintain that if "Don Juan" had been the single and "Domino Dancing" had been the b-side, I would have had a completely different reaction to _Introspective_ (besides "I'm Not Scared", most of the other tracks on it either aren't that bad or have versions elsewhere that I love but proximity to/association with "Domino Dancing" makes that entire package like Kryptonite to me).

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

whoa "Always On My Mind" is stunning, as is "Can You Forgive Her".

other favourites-
"Love Comes Quickly"
"So Hard"
"West End Girls" (obviously)
"Kings Cross"

I could go on, and on. best band ever.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

**I don't like "Go West", either.**

WHAAAATTT??? This is madness. Holy shit, that track is so utterly great.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

yes I have to agree.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago)

See, I agree with the last four songs you listed, Ronan! ESPECIALLY "Love Comes Quickly" and "King's Cross"! There are just certain PSB tracks that I can't get my head around.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago)

can you forgive her makes me want to punch things. that's a good thing.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I think there's an invisible line in my head between "outrageously clever" and "pretentiously pandering" and the PSB songs I dislike go over that line in some vague, undefined way.

I also know that part of my issue with _Introspective_ is the super-heavy hand of Shep Pettibone.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

(an ILX poll of PSB songs is in the works, obv)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

are they the stereotypical ILXors favourite band?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Pretty damned close. That or the Junior Boys. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Anyway:

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

I have to hurt you now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

My work here is done!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

...or the Dismemberment Plan, or Annie From Norway, or Lene Nystrom, or Luomo, or Saint Etienne, or Pulp, or Ricardo Villalobos, or...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Annie, Villalobos and Luomo are not actually bands.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

But only five people on here like Lene, Marcello! (PSB and Pulp are my favourite 80s and 90s artists and I'm not even a typical ILMer)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)

but they're ALL WHITE!

i smell heavy handed ILX racism at work

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

(xpost about Lene)

Six if you count me. Play With Me is a superb metapop album.

Acid Alliteration, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

...or Jay-Z, or Ludacris, or Teedee Moses, or Saul Williams, or Destiny's Child, or...

Marcello "Acid Alliteration" Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

BACK TO PET SHOP BOYS

Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour? Especially since I missed it. When they played LA. In 1991. When I was out of town that week. And couldn't catch them. WHEN THEY PLAYED WHAT WAS APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR BEST SHOWS ON THE TOUR ACCORDING TO PET SHOP BOYS VERSUS AMERICA. But I digress.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

At some point, when I'm very very good and actually own a DVD player, I will purchase that.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Behaviour tour - Wembley Arena - highlight of one's life

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Surely you don't find Go West to be 'pretentious pandering', Dan? It's absolutely *pure* in execution and delivery - and goes right to the heart of what maked the PSBs so great. It's just a huge gush of emotion.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago)

As opposed to the group Go West, who certainly could be categorised as "pretentious pandering."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago)

That's the premise behind the new album by The Paper Kites, _Roses_, fwiw.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:42 (four years ago)

Would seem appropriate for Cardi B to give them a boost in the same way that they worked with Dusty Springfield.

Not that they're anywhere near as commercially adrift as Dusty was in the mid-80s.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 22 March 2021 14:05 (four years ago)

*flat British monotone*
Get a bucket and a mop
That’s a wet ass pussy

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Monday, 22 March 2021 16:38 (four years ago)

in a wet ass town, a dead end world

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 16:42 (four years ago)

Cardi B, here is all of my money, please re-record "Shopping"

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 16:47 (four years ago)

thought for sure you'd say "Domino Dancing," then corrected myself. You'd say, "Cardi B, here is all of my money, please destroy the masters of 'Domino Dancing.'"

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 16:55 (four years ago)

xpost -- It must happen.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 16:56 (four years ago)

Thought this would be on here: "Opportunities" achieves "new dance chart high" while in Allstate commercial: https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9527827/super-bowl-pet-shop-boys-opportunities-dance-charts (hood ornament smiling and singing along is shit, and reminds me that Consumer Reports concluded, citing reader surveys, that some of the worst car insurance providers have the most elaborate commericals, because they have to replace so many customers every year)(do like the dsert drive being all into the song tho)

dow, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:12 (four years ago)

I'd been waiting for that article since seeing the commercial at least five times last week.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:14 (four years ago)

I have a dance party every time that commercial comes on

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:16 (four years ago)

it's airing constantly during the ncaa tournament (the bettors seem to have latched onto the chorus lyric)

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:17 (four years ago)

also lmao that article says "sorry, only for Billboard pros!" when I click on it

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:17 (four years ago)

"The 1986 classic sold 1,000 downloads"
Incredible stuff. Neil and Chris certainly are making lots of money, amirite?

I Advance Masked (Vast Halo), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:22 (four years ago)

Huh, hadn't even realized this ad existed.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:24 (four years ago)

it is one of the two best ads on television right now

obv #1 is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDAg3VkZPg8

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:26 (four years ago)

Indeed! You saw that Undefeated article about it, yes?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:28 (four years ago)

I did!

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:29 (four years ago)

Separately, so this "Opportunities" talk is making me think of a hilarious little-talked-about moment from their imperial phase. So there was that Billionaire Boys Club movie with Kevin Spacey a few years back, but well before that there was a 1987 NBC miniseries about the same case, starring Judd Nelson. It is VERY 1987 network TV on all fronts. Thankfully the full thing is available on YouTube.

Anyway, I remember watching it at the time, and I distinctly remember there was a montage on it where our non-hero gets himself all made over to be a power player by his fellow assholes. (Again, how perfectly 1987.) As you can see here -- the link should hopefully start at the right place; if not, skip ahead to 21 minutes into the video and let it play from there -- it is soundtracked by a terrible cover of "Opportunities" which is spectacularly missing the point, clearly because the music supervisor or producer or whoever was just all "Wow a song about money, perfect!" I kinda want to know who the guilty party who did this cover is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQOTcBbZQU4

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:37 (four years ago)

omigod that "Opportunities" montage

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:01 (four years ago)

It's AMAZING. What a fucking artifact.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:04 (four years ago)

More movie montages should consist mainly of stills.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:14 (four years ago)

https://imgur.com/a/13YdC?nc=1

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:16 (four years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/erKzudV.jpg

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:19 (four years ago)

As long as we're talking about "Woot!", leave us not forget Downey's brill use of "Everybody Everybody":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRNawm7F9fw

dow, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:21 (four years ago)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYxi5e9SSkqH35b6b3BsytKI2fCuz7ValoMtlMMY8e7_yE93cKjrgsdrhRip4&usqp=CAc

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:21 (four years ago)

xpost my fave (the Downy's that is)

dow, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:22 (four years ago)

A further update on that terrible cover -- Nate Patrin remembered the ad for the miniseries using it. You will note, how you say, a creative edit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4R_C2L4Wmk

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:22 (four years ago)

Re: That Downy ad. I submit for consideration LG selling washing machines by reinterpreting "Got Your Money":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEwxtg35BUo

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:33 (four years ago)

why are there so many street signs in that montage

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:47 (four years ago)

Billionaire Boys Club was nominated for four Emmys: Outstanding Miniseries, Outstanding Directing in a Miniseries or Special, Outstanding Writing in a Miniseries or Special, and Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Miniseries or Special for Ron Silver

lol

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:50 (four years ago)

Really speaks to the sheer paucity of quality around then. "It MUST be important, it's about wannabe rich assholes in LA like us!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:55 (four years ago)

Whenever I think of the Pet Shop Boys in pop culture I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW8TIAHyAE0

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:37 (four years ago)

YES! on the Tag Team Geico ad being the #1 ad of the moment. I crack myself up inserting "Sprinkles!" mentally into conversations. The expression on the son's?/daughter's? faces are great, too.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 22 March 2021 19:42 (four years ago)

One thing I like about the Tag Team commercial is that I (and I assume a lot of people) had idea what the guys looked like, and even if I did, it's kind of taken on faith that these are the same guys. And yeah, "Sprinkles!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:52 (four years ago)

the tag team commercial also underscores the fact that "whoomp there it is" is a truly excellent song that we've taken for granted

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:04 (four years ago)

I mentioned this piece briefly but it is worth a read

https://theundefeated.com/features/behind-the-delightful-success-of-tag-team-hit-commercial-with-geico/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:11 (four years ago)

AD WARS - tag team's "whoomp there it is" vs. pet shop boys' "opportunities"

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:13 (four years ago)

bilingual then backwards and anything after bilingual is crap!

xzanfar, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:59 (four years ago)

nah

Vinnie, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 11:55 (four years ago)

Geico wins Mad Men Ace Award because visuals of Allstate spoiled by shitty singing hood ornament, looking like a sweetened-up Wicked Witch, but musically I find "Opportunities" more exciting.

dow, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:57 (four years ago)

one year passes...

I can't recall many good covers of PSB songs, except by Liza/Dusty etc, but this a lovely and summery, found by accident on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/4clr0ehfzrEKvLepw4WffW?si=9c65ffc509534d5c

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:30 (three years ago)

three years pass...

I saw an announcement for Disco 5 and got very excited, then looked at the track listing:

https://shop.petshopboys.co.uk/eu/disco-5-1cd/5021732831224.html

*sad trombone*

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 16:11 (one week ago)

Christ.

Madchen, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:41 (one week ago)

The fuck is that all about

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:50 (one week ago)

Have always thought the music of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds was perfect for a remix

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:54 (one week ago)

"What did you DO?" "It's our John Cage tribute."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:03 (one week ago)

Not seeing the problem tbh. I don't know these remixes but I can't imagine any of them are bad?

I mean I don't like Sleaford Mods at all but I can sort of tolerate them on those Orbital and Prodigy tracks, but idk.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 19:11 (one week ago)

the Weller one is fantastic.

piscesx, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 22:39 (one week ago)

Was always a bit let down that their supposed 'guitar' album Release wasn't rockist enough

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 23:05 (one week ago)

Their version of "I'm in Love with a German Film Star" was a surprising failure. On paper it sounds like it should work brilliantly, but the actual results were as flat as a pancake.

Vast Halo, Wednesday, 1 October 2025 08:52 (one week ago)


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