In Fact, Give it up for the fucking SOUL ASYLUM

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Come on. Who did melodramatic self-pitying alternative rock as great as these guys? Nirvana? Think not.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

are you some kind of calum?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

agreed. Hang Time is one of my all time favorites.

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Runaway Train makes me wish for NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST IN 0.00000005 SECONDS!!!!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Listening to Soul Asylum is the aural equivalent of pounding spkies into your abdomen.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a great promo 12" of them playing a live medly of tracks as disparate as "Birth School Work Death" by the Godfathers through "Oops Upside Your Head". Prior to all that rancid "Runaway Train" dreck, they were a fun band. "Sometime to Return" is fucking great.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My brother swears they were an amazing live band.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

My Brother Swears WERE an amazing live band!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a great promo 12" of them playing a live medly of tracks as disparate as "Birth School Work Death" by the Godfathers through "Oops Upside Your Head".

See, this sounds genius. I think they're one of those bands that just didn't transition from the eighties well.

I remember Grave Diggers Union arriving at KUCI in late 1992 and I believe I thought, "Oh well, let's see if they'll get anywhere on this major label instead" (having already been dropped by A&M).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Grave Diggers Union

Wasn't it Grave Dancers?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, you're right! But frankly, I like my title better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

My brother swears they were an amazing live band.

Your brother is correct. I saw them three or four times in college in varyiously sized venues. They totally threw down live.

They always had tremendous taste in covers, also (I'd love to hear their version of "Birth, School, Work, Death"!). Their version of "Barstool Blues" on the Neil Young tribute is fantastic. They also do a great one of "Jukebox Hero".

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Indefensible on record, as best I can tell, but I've also heard those reports that they kicked the ass live.

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Runaway Train" is quite good, actually.

I bought Grave Dancer's Union recently but haven't gotten around to listening to it yet.

are you some kind of calum?

I don't know what this means.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them live circa Hang Time and they were quite a lot of fun.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what this means.

it was just the way you phrased your opening post - so similar i almost thought it was a parody (sorry!)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yup. I saw them at Siberia in NYC and Maxwell's in Hoboken back in the day. I remember great covers of "That's When I Reach For My Revolver" and "Ooh La La," the latter introduced by a scowling Dan Murphy with the words "this is a NICE song."

I remember at the Maxwell's show they cut it short a little early, because something was wrong with the drummers hands,I think, something I've nevers seen before or since. It was the original drummer, his name was maybe Whitey or something?

I don't know if I'll ever play it again, but I actually kind of liked the album after "Grave Dancers Union," it seemed like sort of compromise between their "sellout" sound and their earlier sound, and had a catchy song called "Misery" with an interesting video which featured a CD pressing plant.

Ken Lauterbach (Ken L), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Misery" breaks my heart. FRUSTRATED INCORPORATED, bitches.

No, not a parody thread, just something brought on by comments in the Foo Fighters and Gin Blossoms threads.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh but they did kick ass live. Even as late as 1991 (I think)--post "Runaway Train"--they were good in this respect. I saw 'em once and had to walk out on the headlining Pixies, who sucked by comparison. No record they made--though I've a soft spot for the Twin Tone ones--supports this notion, really, but it's true.

The live/medley thing referred to above is the "James at 15 Medley," which was the b-side of a promo single 'r summat. It's on Soulseek, and spun up on my iPod the other day. (Unfortunately, *I* am not on Slsk, but it's out there.) Starts with a version of "The Cross" and sorta wanders--high and low--through a good dozen-plus songs from there.

Dark Horse, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

FRUSTRATED INCORPORATED, bitches.

you preacher. me choir. great song. great video of the cd manufaturing/distro process.

xpost:
they did kick ass live. [...] No record they made [...] supports this notion, really, but it's true.

Disagree. Hang Time and While You Were Out are both evidence to the contrary.

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Their drummer back in the day is now Bowie's drummer. That's all I've got.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Even as late as 1991 (I think)--post "Runaway Train"

Er, "Runaway Train" wasn't released until Grave came out in late 1992.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Geez. Just looking at the tracklist of While You Were Out makes my hair stand on end. "Freaks" into "Carry On" and "Sund Don't Shine"=>"Closer to the Stars"=>"Never Too Soon". Too bad no one's sharing on slsk. I gotta wait till I get home to jump around like an idiot and scare the cats whilst cranking this out.

xpost:
Their drummer back in the day is now Bowie's drummer. That's all I've got.
Really?!?!

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh but they did kick ass live. Even as late as 1991 (I think)--post "Runaway Train"--they were good in this respect. I saw 'em once and had to walk out on the headlining Pixies, who sucked by comparison. No record they made--though I've a soft spot for the Twin Tone ones--supports this notion, really, but it's true.

This is exactly what my brother says.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah Woah. You mean the guy they got RID of and replaced with Nighthorse Campbell? I'm guessing you mean Nighthorse Campbell, who played for the B-52's and DURAN DURAN before Soul Asylum so being Bowie's drummer isn't quite as shocking.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Sterling Campbell.

(Nighthorse?!)

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess the shocking part is that he played for Soul Asylum.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought his name was Nighthorse. Am I mixing him up with some other guy? I dunno, whatever, IGNORE.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben Nighthorse Campbell is a retiring senator from Colorado.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben Nighthorse Campbell is a retiring senator from Colorado.

Retiring...to rock the world liberally with the Thin White Duke!

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i take it back. there is some sharing of While You Were Out on 5L5K. I defy you to download "Sun Don't Shine" and not here this band's jaw-dropping live greatness in it. Defy!

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I wasn't saying those records were *bad*--only that they don't necessarily suggest they'd be strong enough to whup the Pixies' asses live. But I love "While You Were Out" best, and about a third of "Hang Time."

Ned, I stand corrected...'twas '92, if not '3. Pretty sure it was the former, though.

Dark Horse, Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Sen. Nighthorse Campell, yeah. The guy who jumped the fence partywise, right?

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that they were pretty good until they' broke' with that awful 'Runaway' puke.

Was Made to be Broken one of theirs? I remember picking that up by chance cos I saw that Bob Mould had produced it and at the time the Mould could do no wrong. It was one of my faves for a while. They did 'Alt Cuntry' way back.

Around the same time (1988ish?)They also played a rammed Hull Adelphi and did a memeorable version of Sexual Healing. At the time I was with a fellow band mate. Soul Asylum made our band seem pointless. They were that good. However, we were really shit, so I dunno.

I don't listen to them anymore, but may just dig that one out again. Or is life too short?

hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I've often wondered if "Misery" was supposed to be ironic.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Around the same time (1988ish?)They also played a rammed Hull Adelphi and did a memeorable version of Sexual Healing.

This is actually slightly reassuring to hear in that I wondered why the fuck that studio version in 1993 for the No Alternative comp was done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've often wondered if "Misery" was supposed to be ironic.

Yeah, it does sorta go off the deep end, doesn't it? It doesn't really matter to me, it's great either way.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone else here remember that cassette-only release of odds 'n' sods they released on Twin/Tone? I think it was called Time's Incinerator. I have it somewhere in a box in my basement, and I remember it being quite good. I think SA were total classic until their second major-label album, and yes, they *shredded* live circa '86-'89.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything about them makes me think of week old moldy nachos and dead rats left out in the rain.

Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This release schedule amazes me:

Made To Be Broken 01/86
Time's Incinerator 07/86
While You Were Out 11/86
Clam Dip And Other Delights 01/88
Hang Time 02/88

For these two years, Soul Asylum was firing on all cylinders. I saw them first time until 1989 (at Marquette University's old union, where I also saw the Flaming Lips and the Goo Goo Dolls the same year), but I can only imagine what it would have been to see them in 1987.

It's really a shame that so many people associate them with treacly alterna-MOR. That's not the band I knew/loved.

john'n'chicago, Friday, 12 November 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

everything about them makes me think of week old moldy nachos and dead rats left out in the rain.

You could reverse the nouns and improve the image.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The first time I saw Soul Asylum was on a bill with either Husker Du or the Replacements at the Metro in Chicago in '85 or '86. They were the opening act, but their van broke down on the way to Chicago, so they arrived late and played after the headliner. Turned their amps all the way to 11 and just unleashed, and 'twas good stuff.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Call me an old geezer but I distinctly remember when they were still underground. I remember a friend telling me, and I quote, "Kenny, lots of people like the Replacements but I think I've found the better band." I remember Xgau dissing them with something about "their something-something songs that nobody else can get a handle on." Then all of the sudden everybody grabbed a hold of them in a big way and, like the Impossible Missions Force, you had to disavow any knowledge of them.

No doubt some college-kid assistant has long ago typed the Xgau quote up at his website, so maybe I'll mosey on over there and check my memory.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=soul+asylum

Made to Be Broken [Twin/Tone, 1986]
Unless the meaning of life is passing me by, Bob Mould's proteges are the latest concept band, admired more for their correct aesthetics than for how they actually sound (or what they actually say). Fast turmoil rools, with hints of metal anthem and country warmth sunk deep enough in the mix that nobody'll cry corny. As a concept, pretty admirable. B

While You Were Out [Twin/Tone, 1987]
Dave Pirner's songs and Chris Osgood's sound do focus their barrage-band intensity, but once again the most striking track is a slow country-folk rip, this one cribbed more or less direct from "On Top of Old Smokey." Which isn't to put down Pirner's better-than-average tunes, but to suggest that barrage meanings may not be his calling. B+

Hang Time [A&M, 1988]
Somewhere in here they warn of "a mountain made of sand," which gets at their problems neatly--their shared sense of sisyphean impotence and their big music no one can get a grip on. B-

And the Horse They Rode In On [A&M, 1990] Dud

Grave Dancers Union [Columbia, 1992]
great tunes, corny songs ("Without a Trace," "Somebody To Shove") *

Let Your Dim Light Shine [Columbia, 1995]
Welcome evidence that Dave Pirner may not be the Bob Seger of his generation--because where in the late '70s temptation came in the form of classic rock, in the mid-'90s it lies along pop's primrose path, a development that should offend only grunge nostalgiacs. The tunes of these neatly crafted songs are up top, their "roots" submerged the way roots usually are. And the often funny, sometimes fantastic lyrics are so smart you'd almost think Pirner knows how cheap he got away last time. After lingering over idioms like "don't get my hopes up" and "left to my own devices," he moves on to vignettes in which his pervasive depression connects to something less collegiate than existential angst--the hard, sad lives of other people, several of them women seen not as objects of sex or romance, just struggling humans like him and me. B+

Candy from a Stranger [Columbia, 1998] Dud

john'n'chicago, Friday, 12 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Fast turmoil rools

"Fast turmoil rools"? The man is a master of wordplay! Takes no prisoners either. But even he seemed to like "Misery." Best Christgau parody ever was from the late great Veronica Geng- her "Watergate Tapes Consumer Guide," which I have in her collection "Love Trouble Is My Business."

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I dig their "OMG Westerberg just blew my MIND!" period and "Somebody To Shove" and that's about it. Sometimes I'm maudlin and self-pitying to love "Runaway Train" in an only half-ironic way. My sister saw some guy perform it on the '90s Mickey Mouse Club and she can do a great imitation of the guy singing the climactic "madman laughing at the rain" part (evidently he started jumping around during "much easier than dealing with the pain"). I really hope it was Timberlake who did it.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 12 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I really wish there was some show like that now where we could watch kids dance around and sing pop hits. I want to watch a 14 year old in Orlando sing "Float On" like yesterday.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 12 November 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like them, I gave "Somebody to Shove" 19 points in the '90's poll.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I only have Grave Dancers Union b/w Insomniacs Dream which I got in the HMV sale for £3.99.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, wait, wait. They played at the old Siberia? When the hell was that?

danh (danh), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say late eighties. Is that possible?

Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sometime To Return" seconded wholeheartedly.

alex in montreal, Saturday, 13 November 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like "Black Gold."

I remember one time Bill Clinton asked for them by name to perform at something.

billstevejim, Saturday, 13 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My sister saw some guy perform it on the '90s Mickey Mouse Club and she can do a great imitation of the guy singing the climactic "madman laughing at the rain" part

Hahaha! That was JC Chasez, actually. The guy sang everything from Nelson to U2 to Extreme on that show.

Timberlake and Ryan Gosling did a highly amusing version of "Motownphilly" though.

Lesley (Lesley), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

You know their bass player Karl is sick, has cancer or something. There was a near Husker Du reunion at the benefit.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them in 90 in a tiny bar in san diego and they were EXCELLENT, high energy, non-stop, closing with an awesome medley of obsure pop/rock/punk gems.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, I didn't know Ryan Gosling was one of those automateens!
Anyway, re: the irony of "Misery" -- I always thought Soul Asylum were making sport of the self-pitying grunge tropes with "Misery", with the pressing plant video and "frustrated, inc." chorus. I love that song, anyway. And I find "Grave Dancers Union" has aged really well (although I too hate "Runaway Train")

Remember the Seaweed parody video of "Runaway Train," about missing bikes?

Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember the Weird Al parody with missing pop stars (Vanilla Ice, Gerardo, etc.)

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to ben: Yes, it was for "kid candy"... haha.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

I see that Soul Asylum is playing out, but apparently Pirner is the only mainstay with the band. They also did an album several months back which I never heard or heard about... Is it worth seeking out or going to?

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 17 December 2012 12:14 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Just had one of "Oh, that's what that song is!" moments when encountering "Black Gold" on the radio.

Randall "Humble" Pie (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 August 2014 23:48 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

The Lost Children of 'Runaway Train'

Trump le Monde (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:20 (nine years ago)


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