Papo-Lucca-ism

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Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 13 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Dropping by for a rare visit...
I really wish I would've saved you a nice newspaper article that came out on him (sort of like a retrospective + interview, etc.), just a couple weeks ago, if not less. I sooo would have sent you that, had I one 'dem kooky scanner contraptions.

BTW, I have a bit of a dilemma here on which I need to make my mind, and as such, the weight of the decison, or most of it anyways, falls on you, mi pana. ;) j/k On the 19th, it's a holiday (Day of the Discovery of 'Merica). I've got the option of either a) checking out La Sonora Ponceña for FREE a couple o' blocks away from my house, which I could do at any local fair (wishful thinking) or b) going over to an open-spaced amphitheatre, located 20 mins. away by car, with a slim chance of finding a parking spot, and paying 25 bux to see The Congos' original lineup reuniting for the first time since breaking up in '79 or whenever, with Max Romeo and the Soul Syndicate, featuring Earl "Chinna" Smith w/guests, such as dub ensemble The Eternals, etc. I don't mind the faux boheme atmosphere and rampant littering that the petit burgeoise stoners bring to the equation as much as shelling out the green when I can hardly afford a sandwich as it is. Hmmm, I still wouldn't want to miss it for the world, so...I'll have to figure something out. Yea, I think my mind's already made up.

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 13 November 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

But the litterbugs!!! [/feigned outrage]

Fr4ncis W4tlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 13 November 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Much as I hate to say it, I guess you have lots of chances to see La Sonora Ponceña. Is there no way you can get advance tickets to the Congos?

It's probably wise of you to stay away from ILM. The boys locker room odor of this place has been very strong lately.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 13 November 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The boys locker room odor of this place has been very strong lately.
-- Rockist_Scientist (oumtransmission...), November 13th, 2004.

Bwahaha. Yesh. I just happened to be bored witless, online, tired of reading (i've been binging on all kinds of lit as of late; i needed something to fill in the gap), and curious. All in all, TELL-TALE SIGNS OF DOOM. Wouldn't want to relapse now of all times...:D I happened to read earlier that J3SS vs N0!Z3 thread, among others...and WOW, just WOW...talk about a parade of unpleasant frivolity.

Fr4ncis W4tlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 13 November 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't help much that I found the debacle highly entertaining, I should add.

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 13 November 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

How would you define Papo-Lucca-ism? Some of the components I've come up with are: an emphasis on groove, but maybe an equal emphasis on complexity of arrangements and harmonies; localism/cosmopolitanism combined.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 13 November 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that about sums it up. It's a pretty accurate description, if you ask me. I think the only element missing would be cocaine. :)
LOADS of it. BTW, I think he's recording something with Vico C, PR's premier old-school MC. That should be fun to hear. I doubt it will be an attempt to crossover or cash in on the reggaeton-goes-eclectic trend, like with the new Daddy Yankee and José Feliciano single, which even though it was done rather tastefully for what it is, it doesn't seem like there's a shared musical admiration between these two. I saw José Feliciano signing autographs at the mall the other day. Never in my life have I seen so many young people waiting on him, practically giddy to meet his acquaintance. He's never really even been that popular here, 'cept for, yes, "Feliz Navidad", and his cover of "Light My Fire", which a lot of people, including my moms, think he wrote.

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 13 November 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Papo Lucca? I think of him as a family man. I guess you can be into cocaine and still be a family man.

The back of the Nascente collection Cheo Feliciano: Salsa Caliente de Nu York! says ". . . Jose 'Cheo' Feliciano (not to be confused with the 'Light My Fire' Jose Feliciano). . ." I can't believe they actually put that on the cover, but I guess it gets the message across.

I'm afraid I might check out Nicky Jam (who has an album coming out this month). I liked her contribution to that recent Tito Nieves song. (I'm not sure how I feel about the song overall though. At first I liked it, but now I think he sounds a little out of place.) You probably don't even like Tito Nieves, but that's okay. I'm sure I like PR pop salsa more than you do (if you like it at all).

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 13 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't help much that I found the debacle highly entertaining, I should add.

That's why you should STAY. ;-)

I read this discussion here with interest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Papo Lucca? I think of him as a family man. I guess you can be into cocaine and still be a family man.

Oh, most definitely. I was just pointing it out to illustrate that his party antics have much to do with cementing his image and reputation as a noble wildman. He also used to be a major boozehound. But to be fair, he's been supposedly sober for a couple of years now and he does look healthier and happier, so serious cheers for him.

I'm afraid I might check out Nicky Jam (who has an album coming out this month). I liked HER contribution to that recent Tito Nieves song.

|D That an honest mistake? 'Cuz Nicky Jam is a HE! Hahahha If you only knew this has made my day. That sonofabitch would make one hella ugly broad. Guy looks like Mr. Potato Head on steroids.

You probably don't even like Tito Nieves, but that's okay. I'm sure I like PR pop salsa more than you do (if you like it at all).
-- Rockist_Scientist (oumtransmission...), November 13th, 2004

Haha. I don't mind him. But yea, you're pretty much OTM. I don't find it offensive. It's just wallpaper music to my ears.

That's why you should STAY. ;-)

Hiya, Ned! :D
Nah, I think occasional lurking will suit me just fine.

I read this discussion here with interest.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 13th, 2004

Yea, that probably makes you one out of three.

Fr4ncis W4tlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 14 November 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The stuff about Papo Lucca is interesting, since it may explain the presence of an overtly Christian song on Sonora Ponceña's last album, which seemed like an unusual move. (It's actually my favorite song on the album, because it's an unusual combination of textures and the horns go off in a really interesting way somewhere in the middle.) Maybe this is part of his attempt to get sober? As long as he doesn't perform at the White House, that's okay.

If Nicky Jam is a he, who is the first girl rapping on the new Tito Nieves song ("Ya No Queda Nada")? Is La India rapping as well as singing? If she is, then she should immediately switch over to doing reggaeton rather than salsa/R&B.

I don't find it offensive. It's just wallpaper music to my ears.

Various response have gone through my head, including ILMist ones like, "That's becasue you don't like to dance." Not that I mind you not liking what I like, but I associate my favorite Tito Nieves songs (which certainly add up to more than a dozen, and possibly less) with a desire to move, not something I associate with wallpaper.

While we're on PR salsa gossip, El Gran Combo has a new album out on Sony. I'm surprised they would do that now after so many years on their own label, although Sony seems to be doing its best to grab up as many popular salsa acts as possible; with results, incidentally, that sound better, overall, than RMM's. (I don't get the sense that they are trying to push a house production style--house in the sense of "house salad dressing" not "house music.") But I wonder who courted whom in this move.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Various response have gone through my head, including ILMist ones like, "That's becasue you don't like to dance." Not that I mind you not liking what I like, but I associate my favorite Tito Nieves songs (which certainly add up to more than a dozen, and possibly less) with a desire to move, not something I associate with wallpaper."

Attribute it to my own brand of cocoloism, or rockism, in any case.

"I'm surprised they would do that now after so many years on their own label, although Sony seems to be doing its best to grab up as many popular salsa acts as possible; with results, incidentally, that sound better, overall, than RMM's. (I don't get the sense that they are trying to push a house production style--house in the sense of "house salad dressing" not "house music.") But I wonder who courted whom in this move."

I'm as stumped as you are. Maybe availability of the music outside Puerto Rico was a factor. It seems to me RMM has seen better days. Maybe the music wasn't selling as much?

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

El Gran Combo weren't on RMM, incidentally. I'm not sure if you misunderstood that, or if I'm misunderstanding you. They had their own label. Anyway, in Philadelphia, for instance, I don't think I've ever seen an El Gran Combo CD at a major chain, because they were (until now) on their own Combo records.

I think RMM is defunct. This label stuff tends to be very complicated, but I think I read that they are defunct. I'm not sure who owns the rights to what. Anyway, I felt that RMM tended to make a lot of unfortunate choices about the way many, if not most, of their salsa CDs were produced. (This was partly just a 90s salsa thing though.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

El Gran Combo weren't on RMM, incidentally. I'm not sure if you misunderstood that, or if I'm misunderstanding you.

Oh, OK! My bad. I just fact checked.

I think RMM is defunct.

Yea, that's the impression I had, but I didn't know if they had come back from the dead briefly for a second stab.

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I want to see if I can do a whole CD with tracks where people call out Papo Lucca's name one way or another. I have a feeling my collection is too small, though I might be able to get some help with it.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

He's on the new Johnny Pacheco CD (not that I have heard it, aside from one song, which sounded good).

(And I'm sorry, but these guys have tremendous artistic longevity.)

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Papo Lucca y La Sonora Ponceña will be perform at

The 43rd Annual Puerto Rican Festival
Dance Gala
Saturday, September 24th, 2005
Philadelphia Marriott Downtown Hotel
1201 Market Street
Center City Philadelphia

Sonspored by:

Council of Spanish Speaking Organizations, Inc.
(C O N C I L I O)

705-09 N. Franklin Street
Philadelphia, PA 19123

(215) 627-3100

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

RIP Jessie Colon, timbalero with La Sonora Ponceña, heard here

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

First of all, I was so wrung-out from a week of losing sleep (on the familiar cycle of decongestant use, sleep loss, more decongestant use, and more caffeine to keep myself going, and more sleep loss) that I almost didn't go, after an hour and a half nap didn't really rejuvenate me. However, La Sonora Ponceña was great.

It was a little strange seeing such a major band in what was a comparatively intimate space, surrounded by an audience that seemed to take the presence of these legends very much in stride. I saw hardly anyone I knew, and ended up not dancing at all, which was definitely a drag, regardless of how good the band was. I don't understand why there weren't more familiar faces there. It was part of a Puerto Rican festival (which might have kept other gringos away), but--Sonora Ponceña?! Where else, when else, are you going to see them in Philadelphia except at that sort of event? Even for salseros who aren't particularly into live music, I would think this would be an exception.

Papo Lucca appeared to stay in the background (except as an instrumentalist) the whole time, quietly doing his thing on the keyboards. Their particular horn sound: aboslutely recognizable and impeccable. Their performance started off with "Caprichosa" (from the album they released last year) and included: "Ramona," "Cancion," "Ahora Si" (with a great extended Papo Luca keyboard solo), "Fuego en el 23." There were a couple songs I didn't recognize (and probably a couple songs I'm not remembering, although there may have really not been that many songs, since we're talking very stretched out versions here). I think at least half of what they played appears on the one-CD greatest hits I have by them.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Also played "Vas Por Ahi."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJPHynlT1w&search=sonora%20poncena

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 1 July 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)


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