a slight dilemma: have procured a copy of "Liquid Swords", I'm uncertain where to put it in the "G" section

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GZA or Genius? The spine says Genius/GZA, so you'd think it would be filed under 'Genius'. But I always call him GZA. But I'm worried--yes worried because I'm a fucking loser--that one day someone will come over and suggest we throw on that CD, and they'll have trouble locating it.

or should I start a separate Wu-shelf? but THEN comes the problem, do I put his CDs before or AFTER Ghostface's? fuck, man. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Just pick one - I would go with Gza, myself.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I say file under Genius. On his first (pre-36 Chambers) album, Words From The Genius, he was just credited as Genius, and that's what I would go by.
And yes I think all the Wu-related releases should be filed together, so before Ghostface.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

related: Dr Dre...file under DR or DO?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

son of a bitch, that always bugged me too. how about Mr. Big? MR or MI? not that I have Mr. Big

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

or The The? Take out the articles and you have nothing! It's the Zen koan of album organization!

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

gah, my head is breaking.

I was also concerned about filing the new RTX CD separate from Royal Trux, whether I should put them together or not. Fortunately for me, there are no bands between Royal Trux and RTX in the musical alphabet, near as I can tell.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

If you file Dr. Dre under DR, then it even makes sense both for "Dr." and even "Dre," (as if he would be considered "Dre, Dr." so that's pretty sweet.
Something that drives me insane where I work is that number-names are filed under the first letter of the spelled out number, so 808 State would be in the E's. There should always be a number section before letters begin (and a symbol section before that). I'm sure some people will disagree on that, though.
Also, sometimes it's kinda ambiguous whether to treat a *second* name or set of letters as a *last* name, like at some stores Andrew W.K. is filed under "A" (the idea being that he is simply Andrew W.K., and that's that), and at others he's in W (as if W.K. is a last name). Argh.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, with something like Davie Allan and the Arrows, do you treat it as a complete name, or do you file it as Allan, Davie (and the Arrows) or something?

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I have similar problems with Alice Cooper.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

kinda rough, since at different points Alice Cooper was either a band or a man.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, with something like Davie Allan and the Arrows, do you treat it as a complete name, or do you file it as Allan, Davie (and the Arrows) or something?

Gotta treat it like a solo artist, otherwise how do you deal with Elvis Costello and Neil Young?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Iggy Pop! where the hell....I? P? stick him with the Stooges? christ, man.

seriously, I still haven't decided on a solution to the GZA question. haha, I've truly gone mad

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

and do you let Iggy & the Stooges be filed miles from The Stooges?!

x-post

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I should scrap my whole filing system and start anew. Color coordinate everything, perhaps.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the GZA's always the GZA to me... I don't think I've ever head anyone call him the Genius in conversation

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

What about eponymous band names? Like, Dave Clark Five, or Dave Matthews Band? Clark? Dave?

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

yes!

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

my solution is to just put things where instinct dictates... I generally remember where everything is then, and it kinda makes sense (usually stuff in the same style is pretty close, and a singles artist's albums are all generally close to one another)
New purchases just add up on their own shelf, and that way the end of that shelf always feels special and exciting.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

but my, er, "database" is a different story

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ah the special pain of having worked in both radio stations and libraries.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd totally freeze up if I were a floor stocker at Amoeba. "Quick, put these Genius/GZA CDs away!" "B-b-but where?" "No time to argue! put them away!" "You're tearing me apart!!"

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the GZA's always the GZA to me... I don't think I've ever head anyone call him the Genius in conversation

"Genius, oh Genius, rock me so hard..."

like at some stores Andrew W.K. is filed under "A" (the idea being that he is simply Andrew W.K., and that's that), and at others he's in W (as if W.K. is a last name). Argh.

Wilkes-Krier is a last name!

― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought that Wilkes-Krier was just one of the things he would say it *might* stand for. Maybe I need to read more AWK interviews.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

start a seperate wu and wu-related section

filing by genre is much cooler than using the abc

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I file alphabetically by genre but put related artists together.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon Spencer Blues Explosion: "J", "S" or "B"?? And it's confused by that new album, they're just "Blues Explosion" now!

Also, how about dudes with DJ in their mane? I put DJ Shadow under S, for example. Am I a freak?

― SEA BASS BATTLE (haitch), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

But I'm worried--yes worried because I'm a fucking loser--that one day someone will come over and suggest we throw on that CD, and they'll have trouble locating it.

How many Gs do you have? Are your friends retards?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's be real, no one calls him The Genius anymore. File under GZA for sure.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I file Missy Elliott under M for Missy. Am I wrong?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand why people get so hung up on alphabetical order. I just keep discographies together in chronological order and arrange them in any way that fits the shelves/binders/etc.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Cos otherwise I'd have no idea where to find anything.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The Blues Explosion thing has always troubled me. Long ago, I decided to put them under "B" -- I don't remember my rationale, but it's stuck.

Now then: PJ Harvey? Technically, "PJ Harvey" is a band featuring the singer Polly Jean Harvey. But is it silly to file it under P?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

he was better when he went by Genious.

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man... 'Orchestral Manoevers in the Dark' vs. OMD?

much was debated here, in one of my first threads on ILM:
Filing your music alphabetically - C/D?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

if !!! ever make a record worth keeping, where do you put that one?

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 November 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

gah, christ. I have their first LP, for some reason, and it's located at the front of my LPs. I decided on this because I wasn't sure what the phonetic spelling of their name was: Chk Chk Chk? Chik Chik Chik? hipster fucks!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

you should file it under 'H' for hipster fucks!

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 November 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey!
[URL=http://home.earthlink.net/~wiglar/excitingcontestevent.html]Record Alphabetization Contest[/URL]

― Mike DXN (Mike Dixon), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Try again:
Record Alphabetization Contest!

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Easy! Behold:

!!! Louden Up Now
? & the Mysterians 96 Tears
2 Live Crew Banned In the US
76% Uncertain Estimated Monkey Business
ABC Alphabet City
Bonnie Prince Billy Ease Down the Road
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band Ice Cream For Crow
The Chicago Bears Shufflin' Crew
Ciccone Youth The Whitey Album
D.O.A. Something Better Change
D.R.I. Crossover
DNA A Taste of DNA EP
The Dream Syndicate Days of Wine and Roses
M.D.C. Multi-Death Corporation
MC5 Kick Out the Jams
Nickleback The Long Road
Palace Brothers Days in the Wake
Sparks Kimono My House
The Stooges Fun House
Iggy & The Stooges Metallic K.O. (Live)
The The Soul Mining
The Unsane Inverted Crosses
Unsane Scattered, Smothered, and Covered
The Woodrows You Got My Pants, Man?
X Los Angeles
X-Ray Spex Germ Free Adolescents

Anyone who thinks otherwise is WRONG. My only questionable placement might be Iggy. I was going to leave him under 'I', but that album should stay with The Stooges, and any material released as 'Iggy Pop', would then go under 'I'.

And the answer to the bonus question is, without a doubt, Nickelback.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(mind you, i would file ciccone youth with sonic youth, bpb and palace stuff together, etc, but the above was proven by science based on purely alphabetical criteria)

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

does ! come before ?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The GZA - initial "G," so he goes at the beginning of the G section, not the end. Filing Liquid Swords under "Genius" would just be perverse.

― briania (briania), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

how many cds do you have that "genius" and "gza" would be filed that far apart??????

also i can't imagine actually alphabetizing a cd collection bigger than say 100. just too much trouble. i just have an idiosyncratic personal system for finding stuff, which works fine.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 15 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

also if someone came over and noticed that anything in my house was alphabetized, i'd die of embarrassment.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 15 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

does ! come before ?

Ask Mr. Ascii:

! = 33
? = 63

So, yes - but if you go by that, then ! also comes before 1-9, and ? comes after them, so what do I know.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I want you to hold it between your knees.

― Formerly Lee G (Formerly Lee G), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I have about 650 CDs. Same number of LPs. Records are an obvious necessity for alphabetizing.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The ultimate example of this is Tom Petty. File under "P" for his solo stuff, under "T" when he's with the Heartbreakers (Tom becomes the first word of the band name), and under "S" if you happen to have the "She's The One" soundtrack.

― yarjax14, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Should be like this (per ALA):

Blues Explosion. Title of Their New Album.
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. Orange.
Petty, Tom. Full Moon Fever.
Petty, Tom, and the Heartbreakers. Damn the Torpedos.

I have 1,000s of CDs and at least 500 records and I've never found alphabetizing necessary for either. Not that I care if anyone else alphabetizes. Whatever boats your float.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the walmart where i grew up had led zeppelin in the z's

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the walmart where i grew up...wait there is no walmart where i grew up. blue state 4ever!

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

haha. Zeppelin, Led.

― sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait... THE Unsane before just plain old Unsane?
That's crazy.

(they are two completely different bands)

― Hey, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Alice Cooper (the band) - OR - Cooper, Alice (the dude)?

I have an insane friend who files Dub Housing under U for "Ubu, Pere."

Another friend, even further out there, files albums according to color of spine.

― briania (briania), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Die Kreuzen - do I put them in the Ds or the Ks?
I know "K" is probably linguisically correct, but conceptual concerns lead me to think think they go under "D".

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

I have them under "Die".

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. I was recently going through the "where to file Liquid Swords?" dillema myself. I can't believe there's a thread on it.

― The Reverend (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

My best tip is to sell, sell, sell! I sold almost everything! I only have like 500 LPs to keep track of.. Its a breeze! I stand over these problems now.

― jon person (jon person), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

above?

― jon person (jon person), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

yes, "above" is probably closer to "proper" English. Either one makes sense though!

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

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