lyrically both songs are critical of a social stereotype, and social divides in a more general sense.
both songs are 'fun', designed for indie-pub-disco jinx and singing along boisterously
so what is it that elevates 'common people' so far above 'country house' in people's minds? one answer is that in the videos Damon and co. buffoon it up for the cameras with irritating glee while Jarvis launches himself into the limelight proper by not smiling and exhibiting effortless cool just on the right side of arrogance - and these images perhaps always stick in people's minds now.
but my main question to you is whether you really think one song is better written than the other - and why? the more detailed the answer the better. also feel free to bring other big socially critical britpop hits of the time into the equation.
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago)
I should also say that "Common People" had a great mock-epic quality.
In any case, it's simply a better song, no matter how one chooses to slice it.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago)
On a musical level "Common People" triumphs because it bases itself on a template (early Roxy) which in 1995 was less careworn and overused than the Ray Davies/Madness template on which "Country House" is based. The Moroder pulse of "Common People" betrays some regard for Futurism; add to that the fact that the song has three different levels of intensity to which it gradually builds up - and then a fourth, quite unexpectedly, near the end ("you will NEVER" at which latter word the band sound like the National Grid has suddenly been switched on), and it compares favourably with the mono-dimensional trot of "Country House."
Crucially it is those moments of The Great Escape where Blur choose to embrace failed Futurist hyperreality - "He Thought Of Cars," "Yuko And Hiro" - that they are most powerful emotionally.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 15 November 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago)
I may be quite bias, because the idea of coming from a pretty shit background and then pulling some girl from a wealthly background is a lot more familiar to me, and I think it both amusing and true. I think people find it harder to connect in that way to Country House, which will be more remembered as a record that was sold to number 1 through cheap CDs.
(x-post)
― 3underscore (___), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago)
which people tho?
marcello probably nails it, and makes the difference seem more obvious. but we know too much about the characters writing and performing the songs. and i couldn't help but wonder what someone would think hearing the two for the first time today and knowing nothing about either band.
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:05 (twenty years ago)
Well the "Common People" CD single was £1.99 in the first week of release, but even that couldn't get it past the immovable Singing Squaddies at number one. Whereas EMI with its big marketing budgets and bigger loss-margin flexibility had no problem with getting "Country House" to number one ahead of the more (at the time) cash-strapped Creation vis-a-vis "Roll With It."
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 15 November 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 15 November 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago)
Exactly. Like I said. Just another Blur song.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago)
(as well as what was said above)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago)
And let's get down to the fundamentals - it's got a fantastic melody, while CH is irritating and trite.
― stew, Monday, 15 November 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago)
But "Country House" sounded like it was trying to make me join in. That's a very bad start. And what it was asking me to join in with seemed to be some sort of game, exercise, whatever without an ounce of love, passion or dedication.
Whereas "Common People" screamed out from the TV at me and made me want to tell everyone about it.
[xpost: god yes better melody]
― Acme (acme), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago)
― Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago)
― king of the eyesores (papa november), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago)
― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago)
Country House on the other hand has got that rumpa-rumpa tuba smarties rythm to it, it seemed too much like "here's the SINGLE! one for the mums to dance to at the Wedding Reception!", it also showcased the side of Parklife that was utterly annoying and twatish in even greater glory, the video was a big pile of malnourished dog skat, the Vs. Oasis thing was stupid and tedious, Keith Allen, The Groucho, Fat fucking Les, Cool Brittania, Retaking The Flag and for fucks sake Damon "HE" doesn't live in a very big house in the country - YOU DO.
Ach. Maybe that's the root of it - the Pulp song is inclusive, a dancefloor full of people rumbopping to it is a room of people revelling in their common-ness, cheap thrills, teenage kicks. The story is believable, well observed and witty and deep down has a point to make. The Blur song on the other hand . . . . look, Damon, we KNOW that rich city people get second homes. The fucking CHEEK of that band at the time - "hey kids, this is what Engerland is really like! Oi! Oi!" "Sheiit, Damon, I've never looked out of my fucking window or read a newspaper, you know what I've been living in a bubble all my fucking life and Hallelujah you've opened the Doors of Perception on Merrie England for me!".
Hateful, awful, stupid record.
― Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago)
― The GOod Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)
― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago)
― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)
I don't think this should necessarily get in the way of enjoyment of the song--it's an us vs. them anthem, and all us vs. them anthems are diminuitive and patronizing in some way. I just don't think it's right for people to champion "Common People" but fault "Country House" for pretty much the exact same reasons.
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago)
No, one of them. He wasn't saying he was one of the common people. He was saying She thought he was...
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)
― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago)
Like a dog lying in a cornerthey will bite you and never warn youLook outthey'll tear your insides out'cos everybody hates a touristespecially one who thinks it's all such a laughyeah and the chip stain's greasewill come out in the bathYou will never understandhow it feels to live your lifewith no meaning or controland with nowhere else to goYou are amazed that they existand they burn so brightwhilst you can only wonder why
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago)
I quite like Country House.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:56 (twenty years ago)
― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago)
― thomas, Monday, 15 November 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago)
Pulp's Glamour wasn't about cigarette holders etc. It was always about Queen Mum ashtrays, paisley carpets and Friday night tarts. I think it became more prevailent as the Different Class cheques started rolling in as they were covering their backs after being the band who for years were all about a quite un-glamourous and localised view of a certain city. When the band went huge I think they did adopt Ironic Glamour rather than Glamour.
Blur were always suspect, and as such their social-commentary stuff seemed a lot more po-faced and silly - they were keeping up the Cockerny Lads thing in their music when they were hanging with Hirst, and whats more those who weren't the myriad of 6th form girls who bought the albums could vaguely remember them being some shoegaze footnote. There was a sense of opportunism about them, and the pretty boy faces and cheeky grins didn't help. Hmm, not explaining myself well here so, hey.
All this aside, I'll still go with the point that Country House is a rumpy-pumpy tuba hoedown and Common People has the neccesary adrenaline.
― Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Monday, 15 November 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago)
Therein lies the difference and therein - Cocker's lyrics always had an undercurrent of anger, disaffection and frustration to them, whether sexual, social or whatever. Albarn's always seemed to be saying little more than "ooh isn't this a frightful pickle". His near-refusal to write first person just reinforced it. Jarvis wasn't afraid to get inside his main character's point of view, usually with spot-on success. His characters made often embarrasing admissions, made mistakes, unforseen things happened to them. Damon's were pure Charactures who were perfect in their story and self, who rarely evolved during the song (the one exception I can think of is Tracy Jacks, and thats hardly Pulitzer character development). And whilst Damon's was a world of disaffected businessmen, quango's, mods and cockles with the odd bit of existentialist angst thrown in (hardly ever in the same track), Jarvis's was a world of teenager's frightened sexuality, penniless students, dirty old men and confused housewives.
Hang on, I don't actually like or care about either band . . . I'm off the pub.
― Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Monday, 15 November 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)
"Country House" was their tongue-in-cheek tribute to Dave Balfe, the label head with whom they'd had a years-long love hate relationship. And that's what made it an unspectacular Blur single -- did we really have to hear "character" song #2894? What differentiated this one from all the others Blur recorded?
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago)
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 15 November 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago)
If he's not a common person, then why is it that he understands "what it means to live your life with no meaning or control and with nowhere else to go" (and why was she slumming with him in the first place?)
'Common People' made fun of all the (sometimes wide-eyed) European foreigners that had started to arrive in greater numbers to live and study in the UK in the early 90s..it definitely had a xenophobic, reactionary element to it...
Exactly. "Everybody hates a tourist"? God forbid.
Common People is so much smarter than Country House.
I'll agree to this, and that's the difference between the two songs--because "Common People" is so much more enjoyable executed that "Country House," people overlook the fact that it's really the same type of song.
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)
hmmm, not sure. if it wasn't for the 'she came from Greece' intro, would we even know this?
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago)
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago)
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago)
If you ever go down Trinidad They make you feel so very glad Calypso sing and make up rhyme Guarantee you one real good fine time
Drinkin' rum and Coca-Cola Go down Point Koomahnah Both mother and daughter Workin' for the Yankee dollar
Since the Yankee come to Trinidad They got the young girls all goin' mad Young girls say they treat 'em nice Make Trinidad like paradise
From Chicachicaree to Mona's Isle Native girls all dance and smile Help soldier celebrate his leave Make every day like New Year's Eve
In old Trinidad, I also fear The situation is mighty queer Like the Yankee girl, the native swoon When she hear der Bingo croon
Out on Manzanella Beach G.I. romance with native peach All night long, make tropic love Next day, sit in hot sun and cool off
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago)
― stew, Monday, 15 November 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)
"Common People" is OK, with possibly even stronger lyrics and a great video (like "Country House"), but like all other three chord songs it has its limitations. Pulp did better stuff both earlier and later.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago)
― everything, Monday, 15 November 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)
Although "you will NEVER understand" sounds accusatory, it's not wholly an expression of class anger & recrimination. It's also sympathetic, regretful, regarding the inaccessibility of the object of desire in question. It romanticises "the common" into the uncommon, in the knowledge that in doing so it recapitulates the girl's "error". The "common people" both attract and repulse BOTH the characters in the song.
Also it is significantly better than "Country House".
― RNSW (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago)
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago)
But I think Lynskey gets it on the rhythmic basis.
Common People has that throbbing, insistent disco beat, while Country House is all half-stymied oompah.
Oompah when done well can be big and brash and wonderful (Sunday Sunday and much of the rest of early Blur) but on Country House it just sounds disjointed. Which I think was the point, conceptually, but still. It makes it less enjoyable musically.
― The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago)