Finally falling victim to those oh-so-nasty synths

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Inspired by the "no synths" thread. There are several examples in history of somebody who has for a long time championed a "no synthesizers" approach, and then suddenly the abandon that completely and start using a lot of synths. Particularly in the 80s, this was a not unusual thing.

A few examples:

Queen: Hot Space
Yes, there were a few synths on "The Game" (as noted in the sleeve). However "Hot Space" was where Queen seemed to have completely forgotten about their past. The entire album was filled with synth more or less everywhere, and even drum machines were heard a lot. Later, they did some synth dominated stuff too ("Radio Ga Ga" notably), but never again did they let the synth dominate an entire album as completely as they did on "Hot Space"

Neil Young: Trans
I don't know if Neil Young himself was ever a fanatical "say no to synths" devotee. However, a lot of his fans clearly were, and several probably felt like he was some kind of traitor when he made an entire album dominated by synths and vocoders. This remains a one-off, a curiousity in his back catalogue, and notably, he hasn't used a lot of synths after it at all.

Some other examples:

Bruce Springsteen: Born In The USA
Jackson Browne: Lawyers In Love
Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man
R.E.M.: Up

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

After boasting a synth-free "Zombie Birdhouse", Iggy comes back with synth-heavy "Blah Blah Blah."

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruce Springsteen: Born In The USA

that's technically true, though since he had had two keyboardists in his band almost from the start, it wasn't really that much of a stretch.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ain't there some synthin' going on on queen's News of the world already?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The example likely given in the first year History of Rock textbook would be Iron Maiden's "Somewhere in Time".

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

According to "The Game"'s sleevenotes, it contained the first ever use of a synth on a Queen album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad Religion - Into The Unknown

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh muh Gawd! PJ Harvey is a FLIP FLOPPER!

Crunk with Christ, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

led zeppelin -- in through the out door

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

that sabbath album w/ rick wakeman

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that's technically true, though since he had had two keyboardists in his band almost from the start, it wasn't really that much of a stretch.

it's actually a bigger stretch than you think. cf yes w/ wakeman* and yes w/ trevor horn.

(* = i don't count wakeman's occasional gaseous omissions to be true "synth" playing)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

and since we've now got a revived frank zappa thread ... he had synths on his records from about the mid-70s onwards, but then went synth-happy (or, more accurately, synclavier-happy) round about 1984 or so.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

and to pre-empt mr. eddy ... alice cooper, "flush the fashion"

i also reckon that marilyn manson's mechanical animals merits at least a mention ... though he did use synths before that.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ooooooooooooo the obvious one that should've been the FIRST to be mentioned ...

zz top, eliminator! (invented BOTH trans am AND miss kittin!!)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

that's technically true, though since he had had two keyboardists in his band almost from the start, it wasn't really that much of a stretch.
it's actually a bigger stretch than you think. cf yes w/ wakeman* and yes w/ trevor horn.

good point. but i still think it wasn't much of a stretch for springsteen, who jumped from piano-plus-organ to synths-plus-organ without switching personnel or songwriting style. the bigger jump, to my ears, was going to that cliche '80s drum sound for "dancing in the dark."

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is everyone always insulting Rick Wakeman? I like Rick Wakeman. Well, solo stuff anyway. His 1984 is genius!

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is everyone always insulting Rick Wakeman? I like Rick Wakeman. Well, solo stuff anyway. His 1984 is genius!

i smell a "defend the indefensible" thread here!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not going to defend Rick Wakeman, alone, from the whole of ILM! That's madness.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, don't worry about that ... geir and daveq (and maybe sundar and lakeside joe?) will have yer back!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a 'Journey To The Centre of the Earth' classic or dud thread. Maybe I will start a defend the indefensible, if you're not going to?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I based a whole record on that record (admittedly released only in irony-friendly Japan), 'Journey to the Centre of Me' by Kahimi Karie. I'll cover you from the moral middleground, Kevin.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be nice, Momus - actually, people haven't been so harsh on poor Rick so far: Defend The Indefensible: Rick Wakeman

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
On that note, can we put Bach and Beethoven on the list?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking of... anyone know anything about george harrison's electronic music album? saw this recently and thought about picking it up...

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's noodly but interesting. I'd pick up his soundtrack to "Wonderwall" first, Phil. Much better record.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

aren't there actually *two*? and one o' them's, reportedly, quite fab whereas the ohter's rather dud? ...my poor self hasn't heard either, nor remembers which is which, huh.

(so, xpost)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Queen's Flash soundtrack was stuffed full of synths too... Was that not before "Hot Space". Not that I'd know, "Flash" is the only Queen record I own. And what a record it is too.

KeithW (kmw), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw the title of this thread and immediately thought, "Is Roy Thomas Baker on ILM these days?"

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, it worked for Who's Next. 'course they were pretty moderated.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(* = i don't count wakeman's occasional gaseous omissions to be true "synth" playing)

i'm not sure what that means - i'm guessing it's to do with the extent to which he saw them as another kind of k/board rather than an eno-esque 'processor' or ravenstine-ish metaphoric sound provider...?

while he may not have gone beyond the transducer/interface being a keyboard and then definitely been hemidemisemiquaverous in the keyboardy nature of his synth playing overall, he (like emerson, albeit emerson had more excitingly extreme moments (ref. BSS's 'toccata')) at least (generally) used them to make sounds/timbres in their own right rather than trying to impersonate other timbres/instruments with them - there are lots of high-q low-pass-filter cutoff-freq sweepdowns littered throughout JTTCOTE & King Arthur that were most definitely 'synth' sounding enough for some of us in the first half of the 70's
(who also did see the difference with and like the more sequencer-driven or abstract possibilities)
there isn't alot of lfo modulation of oscfreq or filter-cutoff in his playing, no - but that wasn't suitable for the form of the work (and i haven't heard alot of that from any other synth-heavy k/board player from the early-mid 70's either - although i am not as familiar with stevie wonder's work as i would like to be...)
and the beautiful abstract burblings/twitterings in the intro/outro of 'close to the edge' show it was not beyond him

(also- the extent to which he was sensitive enough to the uses of pitchwheel/portamento, and especially the re-triggering behaviour of the env generators on the minimoog during the solos/scaleruns show he was sensitive to nuances of the instrument in its own right - although they may not have been getting used in a way you like/approve of)

(would barbieri's synth playing in post-early japan be 'true' synth playing because it is sparser ? or because he spends alot of time getting a suitable delicacy of sound ? if so - isn't that just a side-effect of a later/different kind of music ?)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden "Somewhere In Time"/"Seventh Son"
Judas Priest "Turbo"
Ulver "Themes From William Blake's The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell"

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)


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