Biggest drops in quality ever

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(or most disappointing followups evah)

The Beatles ("Sgt. Pepper" to "White Album")
ABC ("Lexicon Of Love" to "Beauty Stab")
Depeche Mode ("Violator" to "Songs Of Faith And Devotion")
R.E.M. ("Automatic For The People" to "Monster")
Aztec Camera ("High Land Hard Rain" to "Knife")
Beach Boys ("Surf's Up" to "Carl And The Passions")
Culture Club ("Colour By Numbers" to "Waking Up With The House On Fire")
Scritti Politti ("Provision" to "Anomie & Bonhomie")
Paul McCartney ("Ram" to "Wild Life" and then "Tug Of War" to "Pipes Of Peace")

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Most classic albums --> whatever the next album was.

Gang of Four, fr'instance.

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago)

The Wedding Present bothering to coming back with Interstate 5 what a waste.

svend (svend), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Unsurprisingly, Geir wrong about Scritti & the Beatles. Also R.E.M. quality drop comes between Life's Rich Pageant and Document.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Crosby stills and nash, Deja Vu and everything after.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago)

GBV, mag earwhig into do the collapse (that's the second time i've found call to mention the former on ilm today, hmmmm.

also, for my friend Tom: revolver into sgt. pepper's.

j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Goldfrapp: "Felt Mountain" to "Black Cherry"

I wanted to cry when I heard Black Cherry. And not in a good way.

jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Zeppelin II into Zeppelin III, Zeppelin IV into Houses of the Holy, Physical Grafitti into Presence
Under the Bushes under the Stars into Mag Earwhig!
Walking with Thee into Winchester Cathedral
Jimmywine Majestic into Bunny Gets Paid
Velvet Underground & Nico into White Light/White Heat
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain into Wowee Zowee
Close to the Edge into Tales from Topographic Oceans
Murray Street into Sonic Nurse
Disintegration into Wish
God Says No into Monolithic Baby
Kick into X
Appetite from Destruction into the Use Your Illusions
Let's Electrify! into the Stars Are Insane
Raising Hell into Tougher Than Leather
The Scream into Join Hands
The Wall into The Final Cut
Bakesale into Harmacy
Crappin' You Negative into Ain't My Lookout
. . .And Justice for All into the black album
Seasons of Glass into It's Alright (I See Rainbows)
Signals into Grace under Pressure
Book of Dreams into Circle of Love

toothy philanthropist, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:59 (twenty years ago)

"Angel Dust" into "King For a Day" was pretty shocking.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago)

I bought the Raincoats' first album, "Fairytale in the Supermarket," and thought it was one of the best records ever, so I bought the only other album in the store -- their third album, "Moving" -- and I couldn't believe how much I hated it. I was so appalled that I didn't bother to check out the middle album. I don't know how the second album is, but I do know that in the span of not many years they went from awesome to nauseating. What do the smart people say?

Klamm (VampireSubmarine), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Enter the 36 Chambers into Forever
Illmatic into It Was Written (yes, I'm a Pete Rockist, why do you ask?)

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, first, Wowee Zowee is as good, if not better than Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain and second, Document pretty much blows all prior REM records out of the water.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Color me in the OK Computer to Kid A crowd...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Murray Street to Sonic Nurse, Toothy? They're both great albums...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago)

If anything Nurse is better than Murray Street!

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Sonic Nurse. Murray Street is one of my favorite Sonic Youth albums; Sonic Nurse only has "Peace Attack."

Dude upthread, if you think Document beats out Murmur-Pageant we cannot talk about Pavement, me and you.

toothy philanthropist, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago)

I think that "Kid A" was a fascinating progression of Radiohead's sound. I don't know if it's better, but it certainly doesn't represent a big drop in quality, just a total shift in direction.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Sonic Nurse has also got "the unmade bed" and "duderanch nurse" and "stones" and "i love you golden blue" and "new hampshire"

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago)

Wooden, I'd say it's both.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago)

gary numan owns this thread, y'all do realize that?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Whiplash Smile -> Charmed Life
For Those About to Rock -> Flick of the Switch
Shout at the Devil -> Theater of Pain

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Inna Gadda Da Vida ->...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago)

Hounds of Love > Sensual World >>>>>> Red Shoes

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Ian is OTM about Sonic Nurse.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago)

dave q, o-ing tm...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago)

Simple Minds - Sparkle In The Rain (already a step down) ----> falling off a cliff with Once Upon A Time

(how on earth does that get the same star rating as New Gold Dream and Reel To Real Cacophony on allmusic?)

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago)

houses of the holy greater than IV and III

and while document blows lifes rich pagent, fables and dead letter office away it does not blow away murmur or reckoning

Shmool OTM on Wu Tang

some others to consider
doolittle to bossanova
teenager of the year to cult of ray

jb, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago)

Color me in the Bends to OK Computer crowd.

Also, Lauryn Hill.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Octagon to Dr. Dooom?

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago)

Zeppelin II into Zeppelin III, Zeppelin IV into Houses of the Holy, Physical Grafitti into Presence

zeppelin ii is way overrated. i like three better....and houses, and physical graffiti, and most day, presence.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Mutations -> Midnite Vultures -> Sea Change.

MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago)

No More Shall We Part > Nocturama
Velvet Underground > Loaded
House of GVSB > Freakonica
Frank Black > Teenager of the Year

Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago)

I thought for sure this thread was gonna kick off with Encore.

bill neil (inabillity), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago)

moon safari -> 10 000 Hz Legend

tipustiger, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago)

10 000 Hz Legend -> Talkie Walkie

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago)

Talkie Walkie > 10,000Hz by a few light-years at least.

bill neil (inabillity), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Frank Black > Teenager of the Year

-- Ben Dot (wearethedot...), November 16th, 2004

frank black might be more concise (at least half as many songs) but I dont think teenager was a drop off

jb, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I don't think it's a dropoff at all, I prefer Teenager Of The Year. Sure, it's twice as long, but it's kind of a sketchbook album anyway, all these little interesting pieces and ideas, that it doesn't matter at all. If he had enough ideas it could be twice as long again without effecting the quality.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago)

teenager of the year > cult of ray

rssgn, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Moodymann Black Mahoghani > Black Mahoghani 2

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Jethro Tull: Aqualung > Thick As A Brick
The Who: Who's Next > Quadrophenia

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Dude, that isn't anything even close to Jethro Tull: Thick As A Brick > Passion Play...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago)

ooh michael gill otm

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago)

Black Dice: "Beaches and Canyons" to "Creature Comforts"

Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago)

the boatman's call > no more shall we part!
candy apple gray > warehouse

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:50 (twenty years ago)

I think No More Shall We Part is Nick Cave's best album, so I'll have to respectfully disagree with you there - but surely you think No More Shall We Part > Nocturama is a much bigger drop?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago)

House of GVSB > Freakonica

No one gives a fuck about GVSB anymore but man this is the winner of the thread hands down.

I just was selling some records and unloaded my special edition double clear blue vinyl of Freakonica. got like 2 bucks for it.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Nocturama was total ass. But I REALLY like Boatman's Call.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:58 (twenty years ago)

WOW you guys appear to be hyper-aware of total crap music.

Right on.

J. J. James (jjjames), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:05 (twenty years ago)

(x-post)

Cool, yeah I love Boatman's Call too - In fact, (don't tell anyone) it's my number one pick in the 90s album poll. Not that it'll get anywhere, mind.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:06 (twenty years ago)

Rank and File's Long Gone Dead >>>>Rank and File
Replacements' Pleased to Meet Me >>>>Don't Tell a Soul
The Band's The Band>>>>Stage Fright
Dylan's Nashville Skyline>>>>Self Portrait
Ramones' Road to Ruin>>>>End of the Century
Nick Lowe's Labour of Lust>>>>Nick the Knife
Black Flag's Damaged>>>>My War
Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street>>>>Goats Head Soup
Public Image Ltd's Metal Box>>>>Flowers of Romance
The Jam's In the City>>>>This is the Modern World
Violent Femmes' Violent Femmes>>>>Hallowed Ground
Waterboys' Fisherman's Blues>>>>Room to Roam
Van Morrison's Into the Music>>>>Common One
Toots and the Maytals' Funky Kingston>>>>everything since

Jazzbo, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:59 (seventeen years ago)

How could I forget:
Elvis Costello's King of America>>>>Spike

Jazzbo, Friday, 18 April 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

Actually, that'd be Blood & Chocolate>>>>Spike

Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 18 April 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

Ah, yes. Even more so, then.

Jazzbo, Friday, 18 April 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

Nah, most of Flowers of Romance is still great.

It's This Is What You Want...that marks the drop.

Z S, Friday, 18 April 2008 16:55 (seventeen years ago)

I nominate Good Will Hunting -> Elephant. The movies, not the albums.
Good Will Hunting sucked! At least Elephant was remotely interesting and not another predictable and bland tugging-at-the-heartstrings Hollywood piece of crap.

Jazzbo, Friday, 18 April 2008 17:00 (seventeen years ago)

And I'm sure I'm in the distinct minority on this but, U2's Pop>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All That You Can't Leave Behind.

Nope, you're right

stephen, Friday, 18 April 2008 19:34 (seventeen years ago)

Bring You My Love >>>> Is This Desire

is a much bigger drop off than

Rid Of Me >>>> To Bring You My Love

I can see that, but hearing TBYML on its release, after months of anticipation -- months spent constantly listening to Rid Of Me and 4-Track Demos -- it was a colossal letdown. By the time I heard the relative suckage of Is This Desire, I wasn't surprised, and I'd pretty much stopped caring.

Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 18 April 2008 19:54 (seventeen years ago)

The Monster Magnet drop-off occurred between Powertrip and God Says No, not between God Says No and Monolithic Baby. Monolithic Baby is way better than GSN.

Jeff Treppel, Friday, 18 April 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)

pavement: wowee zowee to brighten the corners.

davie, Friday, 18 April 2008 20:08 (seventeen years ago)

To Bring You My Love is way better than Rid of Me IMO, by far her best record ever, before or after. I'm very happy I got to see her on this tour, with Maxinquaye-era Tricky opening (and with my buddy Alex in NYC, a rare intersection of our taste).

jon abbey, Friday, 18 April 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)

Midnight Marauders >> Beats, Rhymes and Life

rockapads, Friday, 18 April 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

TBYLM always struck me as flat and half-assed; none of the cliffhanger drama of Rid Of Me or Dry. Plus, her band on those records was astounding, somehow managing to combine the best aspects of Paul Lovens and John Entwistle. After that, it was all studio hacks (even though the drummer was the same, he'd apparently been anesthetized).

Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 18 April 2008 21:02 (seventeen years ago)

the songs on TBYML are much more developed and sophisticated and the atmosphere is incredible, it's not all just primal venting (which is cool too, but it's pretty narrow IMO). I should say that the next record Albini produces that I like will be the first, so that clearly has something to do with it, but to me this is no contest, let alone a dropoff.

also, that Paul Lovens reference is way over the top, IMO, it'd be amusing to see those two (drummers) try a duo. I'm guessing that would show you the (VAST) difference pretty quickly.

jon abbey, Friday, 18 April 2008 21:17 (seventeen years ago)

Patti Smith for the thread win

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 19 April 2008 01:01 (seventeen years ago)

Boomania>>>>>Grrr...It's Betty Boo

henry s, Saturday, 19 April 2008 01:21 (seventeen years ago)

Apple Venus > Wasp Star
(Dave Gregory is sorely missed)

Doobie Brothers without Michael McDonald > Doobie Brothers with Michael McDonald

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 19 April 2008 02:29 (seventeen years ago)

Borad ("First 48 hours" to "Ensuing period")

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 02:41 (seventeen years ago)

One Nation Under A Groove -> Uncle Jam Wants You

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 21 April 2008 23:56 (seventeen years ago)

"Like a Prayer" -----> "Erotica"

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 22:30 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Turbo > Ram It Down

Julio Afrokeluchie, Sunday, 12 July 2009 05:30 (fifteen years ago)

5 years of this shit and no one has said Pet Sounds > Smiley Smile. Weird.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 12 July 2009 10:18 (fifteen years ago)

nas' illmatic ----> it was written (though it has a few tracks i still like)

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 12 July 2009 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

Chicks On Speed 99 Cents >>> Press the Spacebar
but then I don't really expect them to follow a career track the way "real" bands do, so I wasn't surprised that they're back on track with the new one.

Fetchboy, Sunday, 12 July 2009 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

It Was Written isn't any sort of masterpiece but it's a dope album and better than anything Nas has released since.

cank sunny ade (The Reverend), Sunday, 12 July 2009 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

It's a decent album, but no way is it better than Stillmatic or God's Son. "If I Ruled the World" remains the best single he's ever released though.

Tuomas, Sunday, 12 July 2009 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

""If I Ruled the World" remains the best single he's ever released though."

not nearly.

i like gods son and stillmatic better than it was written (but then i think zone out with the bravehearts is super underrated). live nigga rap was good though.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 12 July 2009 11:41 (fifteen years ago)

Bowie - "Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps)" & "Let's Dance" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tonight" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Never Let Me Down" (waddaya mean, never let you down? ya let us down! /Nathan Adler)

snoball, Sunday, 12 July 2009 12:29 (fifteen years ago)

I'm a bit shocked no one's mentioned the following as far as I can tell...

S/T >>>>Second Coming

Hector Savage, Sunday, 12 July 2009 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

there's this thing called "crtl+f"

Fetchboy, Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago)

Erotica -----> Bedtime Stories

bad crack (Eric H.), Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago)

Silent Alarm ---------> A Weekend In The City

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago)

bedtime stories was pretty good.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago)

The Band's The Band>>>>Stage Fright

i guess i could argue that s/t is marginally better, but a big drop in quality? save that for Cahoots (full disclosure: i'm a total Stage Fright stan). anyway Big Pank rules over them all imo.

^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago)

bedtime stories was pretty good.

I admit when I was first writing it, I had Ray of Light in the second spot because I totally forgot she'd even made Bedtime Stories.

bad crack (Eric H.), Sunday, 12 July 2009 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

Funhouse > Raw Power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Weirdness

Duke, Sunday, 12 July 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

Goldfrapp: "Felt Mountain" to "Black Cherry"

This is so, so rong.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 12 July 2009 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah really. I don't even like Felt Mountain!

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 12 July 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago)

The Beatles ("Sgt. Pepper" to "White Album")

No longer interested in this thread.

billstevejim, Sunday, 12 July 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago)

xpost: I love "Supernature", far more than "Black Cherry", and don't like "Felt Mountain" or "Seventh Tree" much at all. So kill me.

Soukesian, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:38 (fifteen years ago)

Is This It to Romm on Fire. Make one of the greatest rock albums ever, then make one of the worst rock albums ever.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:42 (fifteen years ago)

Or Room on Fire, even.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

16 year old me would scream "fucking Pinkerton to the Green Album fuck you, Rivers Cuomo!".

The Sorrows of Young Jeezy (jim), Monday, 13 July 2009 02:45 (fifteen years ago)

Stillmatic and God's Son both have some dope as fuck songs on them (and are his next best albums after Illmatic and IWW imo) but they also have some unlistenable shit too ("Mastermind"? "My Country"? fuck that!) and that's where It Was Written beats them because it has standouts and front-to-back playability (intro excepted but who cares about that) and feels more of a piece

louis & cank: the new adventures of suggestban (The Reverend), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:14 (fifteen years ago)

Straitjacket Fits: Melt to Blow (lol, either an incisive wink or the most unintentionally appropriate title of all time).

gayest flash mob pillow fight yet (Pillbox), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:36 (fifteen years ago)

nine years pass...

The Final Cut > A Momentary Lapse of Reason

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 18 January 2019 05:58 (six years ago)

I know I'm 9 years late to this but in what universe is Room on Fire a steep drop from Is This It?

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 06:15 (six years ago)

No shot, that’s a loopy opinion

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 18 January 2019 06:37 (six years ago)

xp the universe of The Strokes only having 3 albums

flappy bird, Friday, 18 January 2019 06:39 (six years ago)

with the third being Comedown Machine?

ufo, Friday, 18 January 2019 06:47 (six years ago)


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