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ageing punkers chosen to switch on christmas lights, some people not pleased

a thrillingly daft story. but look at that picture!

DJ Salinger (joni), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

oops
story here

DJ Salinger (joni), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

jeez, but the Damned have nothing against church. Only people who go there, and show they're plain ignorant and don't understand, a congregation at weekends won't change their behaviour. So many people are weak enough to have to seek answers from the peddlers of hope, they should know. They had to go there myself, not since the day I became antipope.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Arent' the C of E and the Methodist Church "anti-pope," too?

Nemo (JND), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have hoped the BBC understood what anti-pope actually meant.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

dan selzer, that is my favorite post of the night.

jek, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

thank you.

email me off list, I still owe you something I think.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, was that all from memory, Dan?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"We should not give a major function over to a group that goes out of its way to deny what Christmas is about. "


i dunno guys... for once, i gotta agree with the Xians

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, was that all from memory, Dan?

the joy of google and lyrics websites...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't us Americans supposed to be the only ones wallowing in stupid, petty social controversies brought on by uptight conservatives?

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed. Though this is a minor news story in the UK(I didn't even hear it till this thread).

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

There ain't no sanity clause, after all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

What a ridiculous story! Who on earth would get worked up by something like that! (next year, they should get whitehouse to turn on the lights)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

From the Punk77 list, original source unknown:

"Clergyman Objects to Punk Band Light Show

CAMBRIDGE, England - A clergyman has criticized a city's decision to ask an
aging punk band to switch on its annual civic display of Christmas lights.

The Damned, the Rev. Stephen Leeke said Wednesday, do not really encapsulate
the spirit of the season.
"I do not think they are the best people to be switching on the Christmas
lights," said Leeke, vicar of St. Martin's Church in Cambridge, 50 miles
north of London. "I think perhaps it would be more appropriate for them to
switch them off.

"It just seems to me to be a bit of a culture clash in launching the city's
Christmas celebrations with a group who really haven't been renowned with
looking at the positive side of life and Christian principles," he added.

The band, which sprang from London's mid-70s punk scene and released songs
including "Problem Child," "Smash It Up" and "Suicide," is due to switch on
the historic university town's seasonal decorations on Sunday.

Lead singer Captain Sensible, who had a solo hit in 1982 with the cheery
Rogers and Hammerstein song "Happy Talk," defended the band, saying The
Damned represented the true spirit of Christmas.

"It's a time to behave disgracefully and slob out in front of the TV," he
told Independent Radio News. "The Damned are particularly good at that sort
of thing and the church stuff just gets in the way.""

Possibly the best piece of publicity The Damned have had since the Daily Mirror ran a banner headline reproducing Ratty's drunken claims to have eaten the Eiffel Tower.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

So who's left in the Damned? Captain Sensible the lead singer hmm?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I particularly liked ".... songs including "Problem Child," "Smash It Up" and "Suicide,"....".

At least the hack who wrote the BBC piece had spent a full minute doing his research.

Shame no-one's mentioning the festive re-release of the Punk-Aid single 'though.

http://www.officialdamned.com/media/images/misc/eresyourxmas2.jpg

Bound to sell more copies than Geldof and his mates' feeble effort as well as achieving world peace, thereby making Bono look even more stupid than he does already.

Or something.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

since the Daily Mirror ran a banner headline reproducing Ratty's drunken claims to have eaten the Eiffel Tower.

WTF???

alex in montreal, Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"So who's left in the Damned? Captain Sensible the lead singer hmm?"

Dave Vanian and the Captain from the original line up.

"since the Daily Mirror ran a banner headline reproducing Ratty's drunken claims to have eaten the Eiffel Tower."

Must be about 25 years ago, just before Machine Gun Etiquette came out the first time IIRC.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What happened to rat scabies?

I briefly owned a 4-way mains extension socket that had once belonged to Captain Sensible. (this thrilling little snippet of knowledge is actually true!!)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

briefly? you sold it on e-bay?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Pash: my AMG bio tells the 'why Scabies is out' story, in brief.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Lumme: Dave Vanian and Patricia Morrison?

Lumme2: Where is Chris Miller now?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Regarding number 2: well, here's an interview with him and Attila the Stockbroker from earlier this year about John Lydon being on that I'm a Celebrity show. Doesn't really say much about his doings, merely that he's around.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(But I'll assume the good Mr. Osborne knows much more about all this!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

In short, as far as I understand things, Ratty is unlikely to receiving any christmas cards from Dave and the Captain until he pays them their share of the royalties for various lumps of Damned back-catalogue that he licensed out to all and sundry without discussing this with the rest of the band, pocketing all the proceeds himself.

Turns out that Mr. Millar was actually a villan and a rogue who'd nick your wallet or garden gnome all the time - cor blimey guvnor, there's a right old turn up for a caper an' no mistake; would you ever 'ave adam an' eve'd it?!

I think the most recent news I've heard of him was this although I believe he's got a band together and is gigging sporadically.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Turns out that Mr. Millar was actually a villan and a rogue who'd nick your wallet or garden gnome all the time - cor blimey guvnor, there's a right old turn up for a caper an' no mistake; would you ever 'ave adam an' eve'd it?!

Nice. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the thing is Ned, people say that crime don't pay, but Rat drinks champagne every day.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Possibly.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

hAHA, stewart, my favourite damned track (xxxxxpost, someone ripped the multi socket off at a gig, but I "borrowed" it from n|k turn3r in the first place anyway, plus it was a crap one)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

why does Rat trash talk Phantasmagoria so much on that site when he's listed as a songwriter. Was he really not that involved? I think it's a fine pop album. When I was a teen it was totally awesome, then I hated it, now I kind of like it again.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Shadow of Love" and "Is it a Dream" were lamentable singles, but I'll stand by "Street of Dreams".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"someone ripped the multi socket off at a gig, but I "borrowed" it from n|k turn3r in the first place anyway, plus it was a crap one"

Oh well, in that case I just bet that extension lead was actually the one that my old mate Sprogg from The K9's (who also once auditioned for The Damned, just after Algy left, curiously enough) originally borrowed from me and "lost" when he was playing bass for Inner City Unit....

""Shadow of Love" and "Is it a Dream" were lamentable singles, but I'll stand by "Street of Dreams"."

I thought "Shadow of Love" and "Is it a Dream" were great singles - especially the "Ten Inches Of Hell" mix of "Shadow...."; and what about "Grimly Fiendish"?!?

Yes, yes, I know what you're thinking: "Stewart in liking a Damned single shockah! Goodness me, why that's almost as much of a surprise as the Revelations (tee hee) that Alex likes a Killing Joke single"; but these aren't blind Adorations (tee hee hee!) like that, really they're not!

Phantasmagoria isn't a great album by any means, but it's a better album than Anything or Music For Pleasure; and if Mr. Millar really wants to trash a Damned album then he really ought to start with that appalling piece of excrement (for which he himself was largely responsible) Not Of This Earth / I'm Alright Jack And The Beanstalk, like everyone else in their right mind does!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm Alright Jack And The Beanstalk is a good title though.

I missed that 'burglar' reference until last thing yest. All night, brain singing "I'm a burglar..."

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

".. I'll stroke yer dog, so ee won't bark ruff ruff"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm Alright Jack And The Beanstalk is a good title though."

My copy of the album also has a rather interesting 3-D cover.

In fact, as a product, it's only the music that lets it down.

"And when you wake up,
You'll start to SCREAM!
Burglary's the life for me...."

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to support ICU and robert calvert when they played in the NE back in the eighties. I remember Sprog vaguely - it was usually Fred or Psteve who I used to talk to. If you aren't having me on, it could actually be the same 4-way, which is just head-spinningly weird, really.


whoops, I've fallen off-ah
throw on the bracelets clink click oh god i'm nicked etc etc

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember the John Peel version. Oh the things they said they wuz nicking...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

This isn't a Stewart Osborne thread! Astonishing!

De Doo Doo Doo De Da Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yes it is.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I may not have actually written the original but I do like to feel that in a very real way I've made it my own.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"I used to support ICU and robert calvert when they played in the NE back in the eighties. I remember Sprog vaguely - it was usually Fred or Psteve who I used to talk to. If you aren't having me on, it could actually be the same 4-way, which is just head-spinningly weird, really."

My tongue was in my cheek but it is certainly true that youing Mr. Aird is an old mate of mine (he even kindly let me stay at his place for a while around '83 / '84 when I was having a few problems) and he regularly used to borrow all sorts of little bits of kit off me like guitar leads and rolls of gaffer tape and extension cables and so on because (being a completely disorganised little git) he frequently managed to lose his own; and (being a completely disorganised little git) he regularly then used to proceed to lose mine too.

So you see it is entirely possible!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Now Mr. Osborne, you have nothing to say about the fun news I posted on the Adam Ant remaster thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I was certainly pleased to read that you appear to have finally managed to resolve those nagging doubts about your sexual orientation Nedward - although unless and until you finally agree to get your bloody hair cut, I'm afraid you are likely to continue to be the cause of some confusion and speculation.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahah

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you got / heard the Who Taught You To Torture boots, Nedwell?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

and what about "Grimly Fiendish"?!?

AH, forgot about that one. "Grimly Fiendish" is okay...if a bit overproduced (like much of Phantasmagoria). Was "Eloise" originally on one of their albums, or was it just a single?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you got / heard the Who Taught You To Torture boots, Nedwell?

Nope! So perhaps the set will address this. I have heard the sped-up "Whip In My Valise" via a live set at the Roxy, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Was "Eloise" originally on one of their albums, or was it just a single?"

Just a single.

Nedwin, please check you're he-male ;~)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OH BABY

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I will say that Vanian had exceptionally cool hair (admittedly in a very silly way) circa Phantasmagoria, and Roman Jugg is the strangest looking guitarist known to man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Phantasmagoria was the 1st Damned album I heard and I love it! Even with all the cringe worthy parts (guitar solo on Is it a Dream... la-la-la's on the otherwsie awesome Grimly Fiendish... urg!) My friend called it cartoon-goth. It's just fun.

seedy poops in the woods (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Stewart, did you send a message yet? My e-mail's not received it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I have Ned but I'll re-send now....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

More from http://www.officialdamned.com/

Switch on and be Damned!
Xmas Lights: Vicar: Points 'The Damned' Toward the off Switch
Damned are a festive turn-off

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Every one of those has a completely different list of songs the band has done. Most are quite obscure.

You wrote all those press reports for each paper, didn't you Stew?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

There's not a word of truth in anything that I say
I don't really want to listen till they go away
I haven't finished and I never try
If you ask me reasons I just lie
I'm a liar, liar, I never tell the truth
I'm a liar, liar, I never tell the truth

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, and I believe you.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

But guitarist Captain Sensible said: "They could have booked Cliff Richard. How expensive boring would that have been?"

David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I get up and save the world
And though it may be a game
I know it may sound absurd
But I dig the challenge

Gotta hit the sites
Because I'm always surfin', always surfin'
Surfin' for my life

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

A great british punk rock institution still kicking arse, on tour this week. Do homage, or be prepared to feel like grandad explaining why he couldn't be bothered to turn out for George Formby, Lonnie Donegan or Joe Strummer.

Soukesian, Thursday, 25 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Better still, catch them on the last date of the tour at London Astoria on Sunday 12th December and you'll also get to see all these other great British punk rock institutions, also still kicking varying different quantities of arse: Sham 69; UK Subs; Chelsea; 999; The Vibrators; Splodgenessabounds; Alternative TV; TV Smith; and me; plus great American punk rock institutions The Avengers; and, for no good reason that I can make out, Hazel O'Connor.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: You are not wrong.

Me: "Mummy and I have seen the Ramones in concert"
Alice (4): "Really! Wow! (etc)"

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyhow, funnily enough, "Smash it up" has just been re-released as a CD single. Just got one in HMV.

1. Smash it up (parts one and two) (I suspect this is a fib)
2. Burglar
3. Smash it up parts 1 to 4.
and a vidclip from 1979.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ten years pass...

Trailer for a new docu-film looks promising...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVI8SOt3OvI

If I was doing SXSW I would partake. Instead, I'll wait for it to come to me.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:40 (eleven years ago)

Good thread, happy times!

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:07 (eleven years ago)

Better still, catch them on the last date of the tour at London Astoria on Sunday 12th December and you'll also get to see all these other great British punk rock institutions, also still kicking varying different quantities of arse: Sham 69; UK Subs; Chelsea; 999; The Vibrators; Splodgenessabounds; Alternative TV; TV Smith; and me; plus great American punk rock institutions The Avengers; and, for no good reason that I can make out, Hazel O'Connor.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:16 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I went to this gig! I missed Alternative TV though. And Splodgenessabounds but I can live with that.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 12 March 2015 07:40 (eleven years ago)

I dunno, apropos of nothing at all I was singing "Have you seen the butterfly on the windowsill John" to myself over the weekend.

Mark G, Thursday, 12 March 2015 10:49 (eleven years ago)

Agree, the documentary looks promising.

My smug mate is seeing The Damned in London in June
Then the Replacements on the same trip. After he returns from a holiday in Australia...
Cant

The Damned always appealed to me more than, say the sloganeering Clash

Hello Colonel! Where you been?

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:41 (eleven years ago)

Looking forward to this a lot.

Almost as much as this Johnny Moped doc made by Capt Sensible's son:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tELNUGii58M

Brio2, Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:45 (eleven years ago)


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