― Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mickey, Friday, 19 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
People are going to believe what they believe. Both parties involved want to leave whatever happened behind, as it all happened under drunk circumstances.
Rapists deserve to be punished.
Witchhunters of alleged rapists (and people who make trolling comments like "rockist or rapist?" at that) should be lambasted for getting to such a level without knowing the full details themselves.
Which of the two previous statements apply? We won't know, until "someone" fesses up, and that's never going to happen at this rate.
Drop it.
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)
he was in jail and wouldn't say why. word on the street was rape
― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)
O: Can we talk about the rape accusation in 1999?
IB: It's an allegation that was withdrawn, and of course that didn't get any press. It was complete and utter bullshit, and the whole situation was so complicated that it's hard for me to go into lots of detail. At the time, I figured I'd just shut up and give this young lady enough rope to hang herself, you know? It fucked up my life once, and I'd prefer to just let it go.
O: Having [the Seattle alternative weekly] The Stranger give it so much play probably contributed to your wariness of the press.
IB: Before this all happened, I never believed that anyone would lie about rape. That was my stance: No one lies about this shit. It really made me have to adjust my entire view of people, politics, and my own personal politics. I used to be like, "Kill rapists!" And all of a sudden I have this false allegation against me. I remember totally writing people off that I'd heard had even been in just awkward sexual situations with girls, like "That guy's a fucking prick, I'll never talk to him again." It was weird being on the receiving end of that. A friend of mine who's actually friends with that girl recently told me that she had totally withdrawn having said anything. I only just found out about that myself in the last six months. I knew that basically everyone, up to and including the police, was like, "This is bullshit." This person changed her story depending on who she was talking to. It was really just this fucked-up, weird thing.
O: Did that make you think twice about your level of fame? If you weren't The Guy From Modest Mouse, it wouldn't have been the story it was.
IB: There were a lot bigger things I was displeased about at that point, like friends betraying me. Dann, who's in my band now, wouldn't even talk to me anymore. He did what I probably would have done, which is lean on the side of error. You don't want to be the person saying that it's bullshit in a rape allegation.
O: It seems like that's what people know about Modest Mouse, even if they've never heard the music. And you've never really defended yourself explicitly before.
IB: There's only two people for a fact who know what the fuck went on, and I have always been really comfortable with what I know. I never really spoke about it much, because there's no actual way to prove it. You can believe me if you want, or you can not. I always want to talk to that girl, to see where she's at right now. I'm not even pissed at her. She was young and it was a stupid fucking thing to do. I just want facts on paper, I don't want speculation. What's it been, about five years? It still affects my life. Anyone I've ever dated has had to deal with people pulling them aside and saying, "What are you doing with this guy?" People love that sort of shit. None of the shit that came up afterward got a story. I had to find out from someone else that she'd withdrawn it. That seems newsworthy to me.
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)
That's a very rockist thing to say. What about Dr. Dre? His albums are great!
― Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― I'm serious ... Ti-i-i-i-im (deangulberry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― darin (darin), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― cdwill, Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Eisling, Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Saturday, 20 November 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― King Kobra (King Kobra), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)