Isaac Brock : rockist or rapist?

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I bet he listens to both.

Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

bitch had it coming

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we just erase this and pretend this thread never happened? Please? Moderators? (exasperated sigh)

Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

seven brides for seven brothers, dude

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Evolutionary Control Committee to thread.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

PRO SOCIAL CONTENT

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: UKian libel laws vs. American libel laws

Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently Clinton had to change a bunch of shit in his autobiography for the UK edition to get around libel laws.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread made me lol

Mickey, Friday, 19 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I was being serious. :(

Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(Law & Order Sound)

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

fiestasandsiestas OTM.

People are going to believe what they believe. Both parties involved want to leave whatever happened behind, as it all happened under drunk circumstances.

Rapists deserve to be punished.

Witchhunters of alleged rapists (and people who make trolling comments like "rockist or rapist?" at that) should be lambasted for getting to such a level without knowing the full details themselves.

Which of the two previous statements apply? We won't know, until "someone" fesses up, and that's never going to happen at this rate.

Drop it.

donut christ (donut), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

in any case, the dude's bonkers. he needs help.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait. WHAT?! Im missing something. Was Isaac Brock accused of rape?

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

his band sucks!


he was in jail and wouldn't say why. word on the street was rape

Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

since nobody can do their own fucking research (or haha, read the goddamn Onion), here's some key excerpts from Brock's AV Club interview:

O: Can we talk about the rape accusation in 1999?

IB: It's an allegation that was withdrawn, and of course that didn't get any press. It was complete and utter bullshit, and the whole situation was so complicated that it's hard for me to go into lots of detail. At the time, I figured I'd just shut up and give this young lady enough rope to hang herself, you know? It fucked up my life once, and I'd prefer to just let it go.

O: Having [the Seattle alternative weekly] The Stranger give it so much play probably contributed to your wariness of the press.

IB: Before this all happened, I never believed that anyone would lie about rape. That was my stance: No one lies about this shit. It really made me have to adjust my entire view of people, politics, and my own personal politics. I used to be like, "Kill rapists!" And all of a sudden I have this false allegation against me. I remember totally writing people off that I'd heard had even been in just awkward sexual situations with girls, like "That guy's a fucking prick, I'll never talk to him again." It was weird being on the receiving end of that. A friend of mine who's actually friends with that girl recently told me that she had totally withdrawn having said anything. I only just found out about that myself in the last six months. I knew that basically everyone, up to and including the police, was like, "This is bullshit." This person changed her story depending on who she was talking to. It was really just this fucked-up, weird thing.

O: Did that make you think twice about your level of fame? If you weren't The Guy From Modest Mouse, it wouldn't have been the story it was.

IB: There were a lot bigger things I was displeased about at that point, like friends betraying me. Dann, who's in my band now, wouldn't even talk to me anymore. He did what I probably would have done, which is lean on the side of error. You don't want to be the person saying that it's bullshit in a rape allegation.

O: It seems like that's what people know about Modest Mouse, even if they've never heard the music. And you've never really defended yourself explicitly before.

IB: There's only two people for a fact who know what the fuck went on, and I have always been really comfortable with what I know. I never really spoke about it much, because there's no actual way to prove it. You can believe me if you want, or you can not. I always want to talk to that girl, to see where she's at right now. I'm not even pissed at her. She was young and it was a stupid fucking thing to do. I just want facts on paper, I don't want speculation. What's it been, about five years? It still affects my life. Anyone I've ever dated has had to deal with people pulling them aside and saying, "What are you doing with this guy?" People love that sort of shit. None of the shit that came up afterward got a story. I had to find out from someone else that she'd withdrawn it. That seems newsworthy to me.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

he also talks openly about being in jail (for a DUI) in that interview. the last thing he seems to be is evasive.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Rapists deserve to be punished

That's a very rockist thing to say. What about Dr. Dre? His albums are great!

Milton Pennyweather, Friday, 19 November 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Nevermind that. What's important here is how does he address the topic of rockism? (xp)

I'm serious ... Ti-i-i-i-im (deangulberry), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember reading that article when it came out and thinking, "Boy, Issac, you sure know how to find trouble". If I remember correctly, the same article also details a fight he got into with a bunch of kids one night in Portland, the drunk driving incident and subsequent manslaughter charges, and his jail time in Canada.

darin (darin), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

His music sucks, and he sucks. The end.

cdwill, Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

every time I listen to him sing I feel like my ears have been raped. that is good enough.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I read in an interview that he likes Ja Rule and Jay-Z, so he's probably a rap-ist. Anyway, I don't think he's the kind of guy who listens to the Fiery Furnaces and Pavement-- he's got tattoos fercrissakes!

Mike Eisling, Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

rockist -- check his ATP lineup

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Saturday, 20 November 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The Northwest

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

where can we see the ATP lineup?

King Kobra (King Kobra), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

in the record collection of your local shitty college radio dj

Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never gotten why people can hate mm's sound so much but that's probably because *i* like it too much. i remember interviewing him and realizing that i probably overanalyzed/like it too much. during the q&a i thought:"am i the idiot or is he?" probably both. ;-) whatever, i still think mm's great even if i don't like the last album all that much.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought this was a joke thread.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It is a meta-thread, operating on billions of levels simultaneously.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.xtec.es/recursos/astronom/sagan.gif

Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Billions and billions

King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi dere.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolling Stone should put out one of those tired "top ten" lists by Isaac Brock. It might show that even though he pretends to be all Built to Spill, he really listens to Three Six Mafia.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)


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