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Given the immense Kompakt love on the board, surely it's time we took on the pre-Kompakt output? Studio 1, Profan, NTA, Mike Ink... Would be particularly enlightening given Kompakt's slow move back to Techno (cf. the M.Mayer album which has caused many to wonder - check Ron Schepper's review of this and "Speicher 2" at Stylus. Mental note: this would have been me 18 months ago.) I believe there's only been a Kreisel thread and a Gas thread: we need more. I fully hope for/expect much Finney and Andy K action on this thread.

Let's treat it a bit like an S&D but move outward from there.

(All inspired by listening to the monstrously good SRI "Songs to Remember" about 1/2 an hour ago...)

― jwd, Sunday, 21 November 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That Basic Channel CD is really good. Props to all the people who voted for it in the '90s albums poll, which inspired me to check it out.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 21 November 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, I actually just listened to the Scion arrange and process Basic Channel tracks CD in my discman tonight when I went out for a walk (I've still never heard the actual Basic Channel CD)(the Scion is incredible though)(and yeah, I was specifically pondering its influence on Kompakty stuff as I was listening)(i'm a total dilettante on this stuff though)

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 21 November 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(also jon your blog is very much missed :( )

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 21 November 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 21 November 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

That's me making fun of your comment, not claiming a Sigur Ros album is a prominent Kompakt influence.

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 21 November 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the basic channel/chain reaction stuff is fantastic. i remember stumbling upon stacks of those 12s for $5 ea. at a record store in prospect, what a fantastic day.

i think the work of the voigt brothers, jorg burger etc. is a lot harder to find your way through - for all their 'mystery' basic channel and their offshoots were quite easy to follow, and it was a pretty good guess as to what the records would sound like (cr = heroin house, burial mix/r&s = heroin dub etc.) looking back on the voigt bros. pre-kompakt output, & associated, it's both very daunting, and intermittently quite hard to guess what any of the titles are like.

i often wonder why wolfgang voigt slowed down his output so significantly in the early 00s.

(ps. check worlds in a week or two...)

― jwd, Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Possibly co-running Kompakt takes up a lot of his time!

Now he just releases slightly more than any normal German techno artist rather than enough to fill a whole genre.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The only Kompakt releases where BC/CR influence is BLINDINGLY apparent (help me out if I've missed anything):

the Dubstar 12"
earlier Jonas Bering tracks
all Mikkel Metal
all Magnet (one 12" and a Speicher track)
some Thomas Fehlmann (albeit to a lesser extent)

Mike -- I don't know if the BC CD comp was talked about at all on that thread, but the 12"s will most likely make your head explode. Pick up the Scion mix whenever you possibly can. That's a good non-vinyl substitute.

― Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 21 November 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no, I dropped the i-bomb.

― Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 21 November 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

[las vegas]by Burger/Ink, one of the best albums of the 90's and still sounds so fresh. I think Kompakt could release it now and it would still seem brand new.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Burger/Ink's "Las Vegas" is ageless... which I think is a test for a truly classic album.

― hector savage, Sunday, 21 November 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

[las vegas]by Burger/Ink, one of the best albums of the 90's and still sounds so fresh. I think Kompakt could release it now and it would still seem brand new.
I'd second this also.
It's funny that you brought this up because I found some of the Kreisel records tucked away on my shelf under some other records yesterday and put them on. Easily, my favorite is the Miller/Fehlmann collaboration of Kreisel 39. Excellent mid-90s electronic sequencing and sampling--it even samples the Conet Project.
Many of the pre-Kompakt releases are quite good. All of the Studio 1 12"s are classics. MassStab is an amazing album. Love Inc....
Actually, I'd recommend starting with the CD comps in this order:
Studio 1-Studio 1
MassStab-M:I:5
Profan-V/A
I mean, I'd recommend checking out the individual 12"s as well and they seem to be mostly in print. However, there are so damn many of them that it's daunting on the wallet.
I'm confused, what does Basic Channel have to do with pre-Kompakt Kompakt releases?

― William Selman, Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i was wondering the same thing, it doesnt even seem like a stylistic precurser to me. ( maybe to farben or other glitchy poppy techno).

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot, I'd also recommend "Lushlife Electronica" by The Bionaut (aka Joerg Buerger) that came out on Harvest in Germany in 1996. A truly beautiful album that is more song- and synth-oriented than [Las Vegas] as opposed to samples and loops.

― William Selman, Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i love all the wolfgang stuff: love inc/mike ink/gas/etc. i really wanted to meet him when i was in cologne last. he's so mysterious! and i asked mayer about the BC/CR connection...he had some interesting thoughts. i'll spare you the details til the interview comes out...

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

for me, my first exposure was definitely burger/ink's las vegas (also: gas, mike ink) but also Gerhard Potuznik's POTUZNIK: "AMORE MOTORE (...AUTOBAHN)", an early release on Mego that I don't think gets enough love.

― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i iwsh i had never sold that Gas:Pop record - i'd love to hear it again but i could never get into it at the time.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i was walking down a footpath along the rhine at night, past all these giant green trees, and suddenly the music to gas' 'zauberberg' flashed through my head. so beautiful!

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

haha. dont forget to take a hike through konigsforst the next tiem youre there.

― :| (....), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Ink- Dadajack
Mike Ink- Jingle Bells
Wolfgang Voigt- Diskoschleifen 2000

all three on profan.

― Matt B. (Matt B.), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I can burn you a copy of gas' pop, colin.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 22 November 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

my intro to Ink et al was the two volumes of Acid Resistant on Sm:)e/Profile in '94 and '96, mixed by DJ DB. The first one is still a total fucking stormer.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 22 November 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

not that this has much to do w/Kompakt, apologies, as you were

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 22 November 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Quite a few of the Kompakt guys used to release records on the Ladomat 2000 label (but they weren't very Kompakt-y from what I remember of them)

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom - Fackeln Im Sturm - this was the connection from BC/CR to Kompakt for me.

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 22 November 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice to see someone else waving a flag for that Burger/Ink rec, it's a joy forever, as soon as I heard those couple of Totals I got lent it was "oh good there's MORE, this time w/SINGING, yum". Otherwise I have no idea.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 22 November 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Justus Koehncke has some interesting records on Ladomat 2000, actually. Forget the name they're under; they're not too hard to find in used bins.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

... Subtle Tease

still can't get into Whirlpool Productions. always liked Egoexpress, though. and Turner's Lukin Orgel prefigures the Pop Ambient phenomenon.

all of Burger's early albums have held up well. can't go wrong with LLE, but don't overlook Burger Industries and Frugivore

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dom - Fackeln Im Sturm - this was the connection from BC/CR to Kompakt for me."

This really is *the* key pre-Kompakt track isn't it?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Kompakt could release it today and I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I never hear many people talking about the Forever Sweet album. I like the tracks that have appeared on the comps. Any more info?

― hector (hector), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

life's a gas.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

is anyone willing to defend reinhard voigts pre-kompakt output?

― ☪, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

i've never heard his bro

― am0n, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

i seem to remember digging the kron ok, but it's been forever, i'd need to go back to those records.
can i just note that i'm shocked to discover that the photo of reinhard on discogs is one i took! bizarre.

― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

i quite like the premiere world lp

― babedad, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not going to defend pentax but i'll buy "das album" or "konkret" if anybody's selling.

coincidentally i snagged a copy of "im wandel der zeit" for $3 the other day, it was in a clearance "new age" bin ... that album is just fucking awesome pumping minimal techno ... good music to bounce your pecs to.

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

I have Das Album. It's an interesting exercise.

The weird thing about this stuff is how timeless some of it is which is interesting considering the common experience that dance music has a short shelf life. The Gas records came out 10 years ago and they sound great. I think it was the turn to using samples/loops and not synths with lame presets that made this stuff age so well.

― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

It's an interesting exercise

you know what's interesting exercise? bouncing your pecs in time to m:1:5, so that they bounce in and out of phase every 5 bars. ultimate training for independent dual pec control.

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

independent dual pec control

oh to change my login name

― strgn, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

there's a proto-microhouse thread (i think started by vahid?) somewhere but i can't find it; it basically begins by saying "let's all just pretend that we've already listed all the mike ink side projects"

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=36917

― todd, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

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