― Tom, Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
With Zeppelin, the sound is the thing. Tom, you should approach Zep's body of work the way you would Dr. Dre's 2001. Sure, Dre is not the greatest rapper, but he knows how to lay down rhymes that compliment his brilliant productions. I would argue that the same holds true for Page & Plant. The massive, bottom-heavy sound that Page captured with his studio work reaches perfection only with Plant's voice floating on top.
― Mark Richardson, Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
All the while feeling vaguely smug and intellectual because of the Crowley and Tolkien references. Bleargh.
Fred's not totally wrong though -- the Zep had their occaisional moment, but they're still overrated beyond belief. Early Black Sabbath could have them for breakfast!
― Nicole, Wednesday, 27 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
But the best reason to hate Zeppelin, as Nicole pointed out, is that they were a band who sung about J.R.R. Tolkien. I fucking hate Tolkien. J.R.R. fucking Tolkien is not rock 'n roll.
― Otis Wheeler, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
I loathe 'ver Zep', their sweatiness, their ponderousness (is that a word?) and their pretension. I'm very used to listening to music for the noise. Led Zeppelin make a nasty noise.
I don't think I've ever heard a band rock harder than the Roots Radics circa '81, and they sounded *beautiful*.
Tim
― Tim, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
With regards to the man's general worth, though, we must differ. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
1) There is nothing even remotely intellectual about Zep or their fans; their music is populism at its finest.
2) Hard to imagine what could be more smug than picking on teenage kids in middle America.
3) Why listen to Zep when you can listen to Sabbath? JOHN BONHAM. Black Sabbath, while masters of the riff (and Reality), had an anemic rhythm section. How many hip-hop groups have sampled Bill Ward's drum parts?
Zep ARE pretty sweaty, though.
― Mark Richardson, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
Fred's right when he says Robert Plant's voice sounds like an escape (specifically, from the stuffiness and politeness of Britain when Plant was growing up) but, you know, you could say the same thing about fucking Merseybeat, for fuck's sake. While at the time they were hailed as an astonishing sonic progression from *that* lot over six years, Zep remind me of what Tom and I once said about the Beatles' hangers-on; you can't deny that they sounded like an escape and a new dawn for certain people listening to them, but that doesn't alter the fact that the music is terrible.
Yeah, Tom's nailed them good and proper.
― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
Why listen to Led Zep when you have Black Sabbath? Because only listening to one band is boring unless it's The Cure or Prince.
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
but seriously (ha ha ha)! tom is oblivious to many of the things that make zep great, unless he's fooled me all of this time and is really into virtuosity and locking rhythm sections. ;) mark, as you say the music isn't really made for or by intellectuals. the concept of "suspension of disbelief" comes to mind, checking your brain at the door, etc., and if you're not up for that then, let me say it again, maybe zep isn't the band for you.
and what's all this talk of sabbath? are the same people who are criticizing robert plant's voice listening to a band fronted by ozzy? certainly, sabbath has created some incredibly sludgy and heavy riffs (and are probably currently a bigger influence than zep) but, as mark says, the rhythm section is weak and, God, i just can't *stand* ozzy. more power to you if you can!
― fred solinger, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
And Pitchfork can kiss my arse ;).
― Tom, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
i write paragraphs about them because i force myself to think about them: normally, zep isn't one of those bands one rattles on about. if i were listening to the music and *thinking* it'd be a conscious effort.
and pitchfork is *still* the internet king of music reviews, if you ask me. maybe -- and this is only a *maybe* -- you'd be in their league if you wrote a review, oh, more than once a month (or when the latest merritt album comes out).
― fred solinger, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
― David, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
The ironic thing, I've just realised, is that my reaction to Led Zep *is* pretty much 'instinctual' - as I said to Fred in chat a few days ago, the difference is that I'm basically more of a punk than him. So I like Motorhead, he likes Zep, and both of us look around for rationalisations as to why the other one is less rockin'. Having grown up on the British music press and their horror of anything approaching prog or dinosaur rock, my gut instinct is to mistrust the virtuosity and bombast of the Zep: so my negative judgement is based on that 'unthinking' reaction.
Of course, I *could* think myself into liking some of their stuff, but as Fred says, that's hardly the point...
Busta Rhymes - 'This Means War' samples 'Iron Man'
Cypress Hill - 'I Ain't Goin' Out Like That' samples 'The Wizard'
And I'm sure that 'Behind the Wall of Sleep' has been used on a record too, Okay it's not quite 'When the Levee Breaks' but it's still got a fucking good, if loose, groove
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
Who has more original, harder, stranger, colder, more bombastic riffs than Zep?
That said: Stairway to Heaven may be Zep's pop masterpiece, but pop isn't what I want out of a hard band. I've seen them twice but after the first album, they could only play arrangements of their multitracked recordings. If Zeps extraordinary arrangements bear any responsibility for the over-produced so-called power ballads that came after, I curse them. Finally, Jimmy played the coldest blues based solos ever - his solos bother me every time I hear them but, maybe that's a good thing.
― TK, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
as for zeppelin, to paraphrase cole gagne on branca, it does not matter what anyone thinks about them any more than it matters what anyone thinks of the sun. they were my ecstasy and education from ages 10-14 or so. i can't stand them most of the time now, after punk happened long ago for me but there are always precious moments when i can listen and get into it again. the reasons for loving them and hating them are both equally obvious and *don't matter*. zeppelin simply are.
curiously neglected so far:
i) the obvious vulnerable and androgynous qualities of robert plant's voice and persona. *this* is one item that separates them from standard macho beer-drinking rock and makes them valuable to misfit teen boys (god knows none of the *jocks* were listening to them in my gr 8 class).
ii) the tolkien's not there to make the fans feel smug and intellectual. fuck, when do most people read tolkien? gr 6? gr 7? it's there because, along with the music, zeppelin really aimed to create a fantasy-world and to achieve an otherworldly experience. item number two.
listening to just the cure all the time though. gah.
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
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― Josh, Sunday, 1 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 2 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
The best Zep, though, were "Physical Graffiti" and "Presence." The first LP of the former is the best funk record ever recorded (better even that Parliament/Funkadelic). The second is just great.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
Kris.
― Kris P. Ozzfest Rainout, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
― f.ccccc, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago) link
― Omar Munoz, Wednesday, 3 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― swastikas forever, Thursday, 25 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jack Redelfs, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jeff J., Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― ray charles, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― LZ, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Fuck you all
― Milton Robertson, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Fred's gay, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Later bands would imitate the screamin and screaching guitars; however, the rythm sectio could not be duplicated. Furthermore, the sound of led zeppelin was a result of a combination of many influencs,including indian classical and celtic. Later bands' sound was a result of musical interests within the band that were limited in genre.
All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality. JImmy Page ranks as one of the best guitarists ever, and the rythm section of John Paul Jones an John Bonham is unrivaled. The songwritig duo of Page and Plant was also one of the best ever.
Contrary to the beliefs of some people who have posted, Led zeppelin set records for sales of tickets and albums. Their live performances shattered tickt sales records, due to elongated versions of songs such as moby dick, which is also an example of Bonham's amazing talent. They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. HOwever, the beatles had 21 albums, where zep only had 10.
Now could somebody clarify how zeppelin isn't good, because i just don't see it.
― jim, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Rajesh Naik, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― muppet monkey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I like Plant's voice.
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
But the stuff I think I most enjoy from them are when they were just plain goofy and/or eccentric. I'm thinking "Boogie with Stu", "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", "The Crunge", "Hot Dog", etc
Can't think of too many weak moments from Zep, actually...
― Joe, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I can understand those who don't like them becasue of the Prog/Dinosaur overtones, but simply noting that they were in that field would negate the accusations of them bieng anti-intellectual and lacking skill.
Sure, some of their songs are *fairly* simple, but on the whole, they almost always managed to do something unexpected or quirky within the context of Loud Blues.
They're one of the few Rawk bands I can stand, because there's always something ungraspable about how they came to what they ended up doing. To me, if you can figure out how a band got to their end product (and could replicate it yourself), why bother listening to it?
― CountV/John T, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Zeppelin's music, if you listen to it, was exstremly inventive and layered. Led Zeppelins actually musical influence can actually be felt most from everyone from Prince to REM to Jane's Addiction to Smashing Pumpkins. Not lame hair metal, lol. On the other hand all Black Sabbath ever influenced was moronic crap like death metal, or black metal and a bunch of low IQed, beer swilling "metal heads" with a mentality to "break stuff" and worship the devil. Please.
Also the comments about Led Zeppelin not being intellectual are ignorant in my opinion. Is Mozart not intellectual? He certainly did not have many lyrics about war or polotics did he? What was intellectual about Zeppelin was there musical ability. The world was filled with tons of good and lame bands that where "politcally consious", i think they where and still are a breath of fresh air. I like some Punk rock, but if you are that non-ecclectic as to be turned off to great musicans because of some silly ideal or scene (like punk) then your a idiot.
― Robert, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.
― Jack Torrance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― J Corabi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Ron
― Ron Murray, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
So they influenced R. Kelly, too!
― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dleone, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― chaki, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Anyband with Bonham at the back was on to a winner (unless it was Bonham's own band) and Page and Plant ain't so bad either. Actually, I recall Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame telling Melody Maker back in the day that with his lyrics and Zep's music they "could have made quite a good little rock and roll band." Ha ha ha ha ha.. sorry, I laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.
Gimme Physical Graffiti everytime. I think it's actually too good, if that's possible, which it isn't, but it feels like it is when I listen to that album. Does anyone else know what I (don't) mean?
― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
you may need to ramble
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:10 (six months ago) link
Good call
― calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:13 (six months ago) link
All of my memories of coda are intertwined with trying to stay alive in ultima iv
― calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:17 (six months ago) link
I didn’t know it was possible to “hole up” so you can imagine the problems of not sleeping
― calstars, Monday, 27 May 2024 02:21 (six months ago) link
It’s we’re gonna groove studio!I need to find the version from the dvd, it slays― calstars
― calstars
my understanding is that the _coda_ version is just the version from the dvd with overdubs! it's presented as "studio" but it's not actually
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 27 May 2024 16:25 (six months ago) link
ahh that makes sense
― calstars, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 01:21 (six months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/86OibII.jpeg
― calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 22:23 (five months ago) link
📹
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:04 (five months ago) link
https://halftimebeverage.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5a9ece781d558937ae51db0fc99c94f4/rdi/rdi/ballantine-3212_1.png
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:04 (five months ago) link
lol true
― calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:17 (five months ago) link
welp
Travel press tradition passed down from @finnygo: Other embeds and I rolled a question on an orange up to JD Vance from the back of the plane. Quick response rolled back on his favorite song: Led Zeppelin, Ten Years Gone. pic.twitter.com/wxJpDRQ6gd— Kit Maher (@KitMaherCNN) October 8, 2024
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 04:04 (two months ago) link
should've gone extra troll and chosen "no quarter"
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 04:31 (two months ago) link
There are many days when "No Quarter" is my favorite LZ song.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:36 (two months ago) link
1970: LED ZEPPELIN - Better than THE BEATLES? | Nationwide | BBC Archive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLDJVCC3Ip4
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:49 (two months ago) link
The Led Zeppelin
― calstars, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 13:56 (two months ago) link
no quarter is of infinite depth, sometimes it’s my favorite too. one of those songs I can just completely escape into. A distant cousin of “no quarter” is “the asphalt world” by suede.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 14:09 (two months ago) link
surely his least favorite is Immigrant Song
― There’s a Monster in my Vance (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 14:16 (two months ago) link
I'm stoked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SizyLV-O_cc
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Thursday, 5 December 2024 20:24 (two weeks ago) link
that title makes me think of '10s documentaries about gender transition
probably just me mind
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 6 December 2024 00:36 (two weeks ago) link
I was at the bar and “song remains” came on. I have a friend whom I respect that had said “zeppelin is horrible,” so I was trying to hear them through critical ears
― calstars, Saturday, 14 December 2024 18:26 (one week ago) link
I don’t care anymore either way saw some 95 Glastonbury atrocity on YouTube, it was the worst performance ever
― calstars, Saturday, 14 December 2024 19:03 (one week ago) link
Wish they had recorded a Christmas song
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 00:17 (yesterday) link
Could think of Immigrant Song as being sung from Santa's pov...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:22 (yesterday) link
lol
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 03:32 (yesterday) link
Candy Store Rock
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:17 (yesterday) link
Should've been Candy Cane Rock
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:35 (yesterday) link
Houses of the Holly
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:38 (yesterday) link
Tangerine (in your stocking)
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:45 (yesterday) link
The Hanukkah favorite “Stairway to Leavened”
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:45 (yesterday) link
Santa's Night Flight
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:46 (yesterday) link
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 04:50 (yesterday) link
Yule Time Is Gonna Come
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 December 2024 09:33 (yesterday) link
My Sweet Santa
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 21 December 2024 12:20 (yesterday) link
The Bauble of Evermore
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 December 2024 12:22 (yesterday) link
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 13:13 (yesterday) link
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/346093006390591-led-zeppelin-promotional-physical-graffiti-album-with-alternative-wmet-cover/
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― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 December 2024 15:20 (yesterday) link
Chicago represent
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 16:31 (yesterday) link
I thought that was an advent calendar at first.
― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Saturday, 21 December 2024 19:36 (yesterday) link
Would buy
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2024 19:48 (yesterday) link
Some Gitls cover would also work
Yule Time Is Gonna Come― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, December 21, 2024 1:33 AM (fifteen hours ago)
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Saturday, December 21, 2024 1:33 AM (fifteen hours ago)
Yule Tide?
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:12 (seventeen hours ago) link
Donner Stomp
― budo jeru, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:18 (seventeen hours ago) link
Dyin’
― calstars, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:21 (seventeen hours ago) link
The fuck is Yule tide
― calstars, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:23 (seventeen hours ago) link
Egg Zeppenog
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:23 (seventeen hours ago) link
Babe I'm Gonna Wreath You
― budo jeru, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:25 (seventeen hours ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:31 (sixteen hours ago) link
“babe babe babe babe I don’t wanna wreath you”
― calstars, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:34 (sixteen hours ago) link
roflmao
― calstars, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:36 (sixteen hours ago) link
Ho, Ho What Can I Do?
― Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Sunday, 22 December 2024 17:35 (fifty-two minutes ago) link