Top Of The Pops to GO!

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Now, its to be on Sundays, with totp2 type additions...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

it sounds better than the friday night slot to me

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Aw, a picture of Fearne. Where has TOTP2 been recently anyway? I've been missing it. I suppose this move is probably not a good thing, though I don't like it being on Fridays...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

I recon midweek is its natural home.

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

I'd say the scrapheap has long since been its natural home.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 29 November 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

so that reduces music TV to what? CD:UK and TOTP on weekends and thats it? oh and T4's robbie williams specials.

what the fuck is andy peters doing at the bbc exactly? get back in the broom cupboard please.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

i said it should go to Sunday ages ago - there was always something not quite right about revealing a chart on TV days after it had been announced on radio - not that TOTP really reflects the chart as much now (they show performances of songs going down in the chart, because most songs in the chart only ever go down).

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

bring back the tube.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

i think music programming on TV is too performance-orientated. Granted there is now an endless array of music video channels on digital TV to cover the promo clip side, but what about actually hearing about artists and their views on things? are we to rely just on printed press, radio and webzines for quality interviews, features and reports? or would a weekly one hour TV music magazine that features no bands live in the studio but just reports on interesting things in the world of music representing as broad a range as possible (beyond actual 'pop' because that's well covered between Popworld, CD:UK, TOTP etc. as is).

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

POPWORLD Is where it's at - and where it's at is a variable timeslot on Sunday Mornings, fucking Channel 4.

It all went downhill when TOTP moved from Thursday.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

Popworld is also on late night Fridays tho - at returning from late pub time

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

I remember Popweorld did a feature about the Moog Cookbook once, which impressed me a lot. "returning late from pub time" = what? I'm just wondering if it's like 11:30 for English pubs.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

"We think that the new slot will create a buzz around the programme as for the first time viewers will discover the news of who is number one as it happens."

Actually, this sounds quite good. I won't have to listen to JK and Joel!!!

Popworld on Friday night is an OK idea - but the slot they have it in means I am either in bed, or still out - so more dud programming.

PLEASE! PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! could someone tell me where I can download my weekly Popworld fix?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

I'm surprised that after the success of the Top Gear revamp (and Full On Food, which is basically Top Gear with food (shouty host, nervy host, very English fat person) that they've not gone for a magazine style show in the same vein with music. It'd be hideous, but then so is Nelly live from a poolside somewhere.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

chewshabadoo don't you have a video?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

i would even welcome a new series of Jo Whiley's 'sit around a table talking bollocks while camera shifts focus pretentiously' show right now

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

"I like the way she sits, I think that's quite clever"

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

(Dom P xpost)

The music equivalent of The Culture Show? No thanks.

But isn't it the case that TOTP was killed by the stupid belief in Keeping It Real - i.e. let's have all the acts play (or mime) live instead of the videos which everyone really wants to watch (and indeed can watch on MTV and elsewhere), and instead of presenters with personality and individuality, let's have identikit, dopey-faced dressers-down who might look like rejects from the Camden Barfly but, Hey, It's "Real"!

TOTP - killed, in every sense of the word, by rockism.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 29 November 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

now i'm fondly reminiscing over Dance Energy and The Word again, bloody and indeed hell

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

chewshabadoo don't you have a video?

Afraid not. Mine broke 2 years ago - and I've been waiting for DVD recorders/Freeview PVRs to come down to an affordable price as I don't want another one of the horrible things.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

Well done the BBC for announcing the cancellation of Top of the Pops ON THE DAY THAT THE BIGGEST SELLING POP SINGLE OF THE YEAR IS RELEASED.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

oh is there a new Band Aid single? i hadn't noticed

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

I miss Def II.

they've not gone for a magazine style show in the same vein with music. It'd be hideous

Yeah, this idea failed to get me a new job.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

Alternatively, get a more appropriately named presenter like what Dutch TOTP have.

Cos it's all international franchise these days, innit? It's in Holland, New Zealand, and, er... somewhere else, I think. Maybe Germany. Plus which, who else could bring you such exclusives as Eminem on a boat, Nelly by a swimming pool, and V underneath a 'rain machine'?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

oh is there a new Band Aid single? i hadn't noticed

D'you not watch the Six O'Clock News? Huw Edwards is the new face of British pop.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

Impossible. Huw Edwards didn't get to go Woo!

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 29 November 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

I was in Virgin buying the Girls Aloud album this lunch, and as I went to the counter Band Aid III- This Time It's Artistically Valid started playing, and I noticed the cashier grit her teeth. Poor girl.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Damn.

ihttp://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/faq/tim_kash2.shtml

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I've fucked that right up. Sorry everybody!

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

"I did 50 Cent's first ever interview in the UK. It was when no one knew anything about the guy, but I knew him from the mix tapes and so I was prepared to fight anyone in order to do it."

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

That quote about haircuts has a point, even if it is an annoying way to put it. Of course, sometimes your new haircut just plain is rediculous.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

Girls Aloud reader review on amazon.co.uk - surely this is one of us?!

Even better than SOTU, October 30, 2004
Reviewer: Steveweiser from Sydenham, London
Having made the best pop album of 2003, who would have thought Girls Aloud could better their debut album "Sound Of The Underground"? They have with their long awaited followup, "What Will The Neighbours Say?".

The second album from Cheryl, Kimberley, Nadine, Nicola and Sarah features the singles "Jump", "The Show", "Love Machine" and new Children In Need single "I'll Stand By You". Alongside all that, the girls have come up with another electic mix of styles, with influences ranging from Michael Jackson to Aphex Twin. Standout tracks include the thumping "Wake Me Up", "Graffiti My Soul", which was originally written for Britney Spears as a "Sound Of The Underground" sound-a-like (she eventually got Cathy Dennis to write "Toxic"), and the ballads "Hear Me Out" and "100 Different Ways".

For the first time, Girls Aloud get to show off their songwriting skills, there is one song written by each girl on the album, and they're all great efforts that deserve to be on the album. Also included is "Here We Go", a cover of the Lene Nystrom (from Aqua) song that was not released in the UK.

So how did Girls Aloud followup the best pop album of 2003? They made the best pop album of 2004. Make sure you join your neighbours in saying that you have the Girls Aloud album in your collection.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

That last line slays me. My neighbours are in their 80s and almost completely deaf. I'm envisioning Gwen waving the CD at me and proclaiming her owernship proudly.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

Last song ever played on TOTP2 - 'Doctor Doctor' by The Thompson Twins.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

"B4" on Channel 4, every morning, 07:00 am. Pop vids "b4" they hit the charts (or don't).

Hey, the only place I got to see "Chewing gum"

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

yes B4 is good, but too early for this chump

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

"BBC Two controller Roly Keating: "It's an exciting new era for Top of the Pops. We want to make it bigger and better so that it becomes the ultimate pop music show for music lovers of every generation."
Mr Keating described BBC Two as the "natural home" of Top of the Pops.
"

Bastard.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps they'll dispense with presenters altogether and just get Harry Hill to do voiceovers, as per You've Been Framed.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 29 November 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

We should note, however, that as long as this and this are still around, Top Of The Pops will not be the worst music programme on British terrestrial telly.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link

i'd like more ugly old geezers presenting these sort of programmes again, like in the good old days

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link

"BBC Nine controller RolyPolyRonan Keating: "It's an exciting new era for Top of the Pops. We want to make it bigger and better so that it becomes the ultimate pop music show for music lovers of every generation."
Mr Keating described a paper bag as the "natural home" of Top of the Pops."

Trousers


mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Getting rid of the presenters is what they should've done a long time ago. A half hour show with performances by the new entries, highest climbers (if such things still exist) and the no.1 top pop. That's all we ask. But nooo, they have to meddle, they have to do their new broom, new Labour pandering-to-everybody-pleasing-nobody shit show.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Monday, 29 November 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

100 Different Ways".......imagine the video ...

nicole's bf, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'd rather just watch Fearne Cotton than most of the acts that appear on TOTP.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

where is she from? somewhere like Enfield or Chatham? i was trying to place her accent the other day.

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

But isn't it the case that TOTP was killed by the stupid belief in Keeping It Real
Well, maybe, but I think putting in direct competition with Coronation Street might have something to to do with the crap audience figures as well!!!! (See also, the last couple of series of Doctor Who...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

i think just dull performances (live or mimed, not that relvant) have marred TOTP, watching the songs being performed just isn't that interesting 90% of the time (Fischerspooner and Holly Valance stand out in recent times, but what else can match the classic spectacles of the past e.g. the KLF, Altern 8, The Orb, or even Howard Jones walking through the crowds?!). the studio seemed vast at Elstree and perhaps that helped. the TV Centre is tiny, even claustrophobic and just dull - bands can't move around at all as the stages are tiny and they're surrounded by other stages with all the other kit set up. additionally music videos leapt forward so much that it's possible people find them more entertaining than watching Will Young, Westlife or Blue sitting on stools and DJ Gulliver or whoever pretending to work the decks in the background while a bunch of admittedly gorgeous dancers (hello Michael Gray!) do impressively choreographed if utterly derivative and predictable dance moves. but then, i'm completely the wrong age for TOTP anyway (neither teen nor granny).

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

Fischerspooner and Holly Valance stand out in recent times

Fischerspooner stood out for the wrong reasons though - they were embrassing and sounded really weak on TOTP.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

i was just thinking of the bit where his clothes magically evaporated

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

I was much more exited when Kylie performed to a Fisherspooner remix of one of her tracks on TOTP (Come Into My World?)

(x-post)

Magical evaporating clothes? I don't remember that performance, but what magical times we live in!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
BBC to axe long-running chart show Top of the Pops. More soon.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

inevitable but it's their own fault for continuously fucking up what should be a very simple programme to design and maintain i.e. PEOPLE LIKE POP MUSIC SO HERE IS SOME ON THEIR TV

the digital TV/cable/internet argument needn't affect that. if the BBC has a responsibility to entertain, as Jowell says, it should cover pop music on TV and the best way to represent that for a mainstream/universal audience is still the Top 40 (tho I think they should be doing other music TV shows as well).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

BBC calls time on Top of the Pops
The BBC's flagship pop music programme Top of the Pops has been cancelled after 42 years, the BBC has announced.
The programme was first broadcast in 1964, from a converted church in Manchester, and attracted 15 million viewers a week in the 1970s.

It was moved to BBC Two last year after viewing figures on BBC One fell to three million - less than half of the total it attracted in the 1990s.

But the relaunched programme failed to attract new viewers.


mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

They could have moved it to BBC4 to see if that attracted more viewers.

Oh well. Leave it to 'Orange phones and Pepsi chart bring you the top 20 streaming download chart from itunes'

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It is ridiculous, who cares if it attracts new viewers?

No doubt they will relaunch it in a few years though...

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

then again it's a bit odd for a 28 year old man with a full time job and no kids to be bothered about TOTP being axed when he stopped watching it properly over three years ago anyway.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but I'm a 45 yr old bloke WITH kids who actually enjoy watching it.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

here's the keys to the complaint-mobile then

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Music on the BBC will just be either "kids music" or "proper music" from now on, won't it?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

TOTP Saturday also axed presumably?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Boo. :(

I hope they give it a proper send off, at least. I want Jimmy Saville to be guest presenter on the last ever show.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Mainstream, all-ages pop must be on the way out, I mean look at the dismal ratings for Pop Idol.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I never really think of Pop Idol as a music show somehow.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

but TOTP transcended that by having live rock/indie bands etc. i.e. whatever's doing well in the charts

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Times are a changing, it's not the 80s anymore - No more mozza with flowers hanging out of his trousers.

Anyway BBC should reallocate the budget for TOTP for a weekly music show commissioned by ME. That Jools Holland later show doesn't cater for my interests, 90s % + of that show is a snorefest.

Snub Tv / Whistle Test / The Tube for the 00s

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

We still have "Sounds of the Eighties" though.

Good riddance, no more fucking Chilli Peppers concerts in the presence of Gary Lineker.

Actually, that was quite good. The Lineker moment, I mean.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

presenter-less (ok maybe an unseen narrator, BB style) Chart Show format is the way to go but with a few added live studio performances included along with a Star Test-esque Q&A bit for artist of the week.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

actually TOTP Saturday has been gone for a while now anyway hasn't it. this is BBC's Saturday morning line-up for the 24th:

06:00 Breakfast Start your day with all the latest news, sport, business and weather from the BBC's Breakfast team. [S] >>
10:00 Saturday Kitchen Blending new shows with classics, guest chefs and a feast of recipes. It's the tastiest way to spend Saturday. >>
11:35 Bill's Food Days and Nights Sydney-based restauranteur Bill Granger shows how to master the art of stress-free parties. First up is a grown up gathering fuelled by lobster sandwiches, Moscow mule and white chocolate mousse with passion fruit. Then Bill turns his hand at catering for a kids' party consisting of vanilla cup cakes with white chocolate frosting, lemon honey chicken wings and individual pitta pizzas. [S] >>
12:00 BBC News National and international news from the BBC. [S] Followed by Weather. >

Now all that food porn is understandable but where oh where are today's Trevor and Simon?

on the separate CBBC channel i guess, harder for kids to (be bothered to) find.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Shifting times: programme "Brands" such as Grandstand and TOTP being dumped

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I was kidding about Pop Idol - i have no idea what its ratings are but assumed they were similar to American Idol e.g. thru the fuckin roof

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

shifting TIMES. owen brand BROKEN. lack of RESERVE. matty taylor brand must start on cover of RADIO TIMES

duff (duff), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Stuff Top of the Pops. I like TOTP2 better.

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The main reason they keep bringing up is the competition from music channels. You'd think they'd notice that if people like watching song after song after song with no presenter or "backstage chat with McFly!" so much that they're willing to sit through 5 minute ad breaks every 10 minutes, the same ringtone ads over and over, and half the screen taken ip with txt horoscopes or whatever, then they must REALLY like it. And that maybe having half an hour of song after song after song with no backstage chat, no old stuff, and definitely no Jeremy Clarkson making snobby comments about pop for half an hour so that he can plug Top Gear at the end, would be a good idea. Especially as all the top viewing figures for TOTP were when they didn't add all the extra bollocks. And they'd have the advantage over the music channels, no ads, no ringtones. But presumably the music channels are all run by wizards with magic powers who have sold their souls the ringtone companies in return for viewing figures and there's no point ever trying to compete, because there doesn't seem to be any other explanation from the BBC for why they don't just give people what they seem to like.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

It just occurred to me that, while I'm admittedly not going to miss TOTP on a standard week to week basis, it IS going to leave a fucking big hole in my Christmas Day schedule...

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Presumably the TOTP resource on the BBC website will go as well.

So, d/l NOW the vids that are there or never seethem again.

Unless BBC4 start repeating odd isolated episodes.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Fruitbat of all people on Today this morning, waxing nostalgic and saying that appearing on it was the only bit of being a rock 'n' roll star that lived up to the hype. No criticism of current show direction, they all agreed it was time to go (sniff), no suggestion that it had been run into the ground. Not that I go to Today for incisive pop culture reportage.

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

So, d/l NOW the vids that are there or never seethem again.

they can't be downloaded, can they?

BBC must wake up and smell the goldmine re releasing TOTP compilations (inc. artist specific compilations) on DVD. Anyone standing in their way (inc. the artists themselves) should themselves be axed.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway, best to stick to one thread now surely:

TOTP, the end

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago) link


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