TS: Robin Lane & The Chartbusters v. Pearl Harbour & The Explosions

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Ex-folkie gone punk v. Kosmo Vinyl's ex. Two semi-commercial prospects marketed as "new wave" just before the turn of the '80s. Which is it?

mike a, Monday, 29 November 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

sue saad & the next! (i think i've been here before)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it must have been chuck's frankie & the knockouts thread.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

pearl harbor, no contest. (that one GREAT explosions album, especially, though her solo one's not bad). though i like robin, too. and sue!

chuck, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Me, I'm reading this thread as

Leroy and Asa vs. Fujiyama Mama

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I have both of these bands on a Warners punk comp. I don't remember what they sound like, though. It has a song by Brian Briggs. Doea anyone know him?

Magic City (ano ano), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know pearl harbour, at least i don't think i do, but i loooove robin lane's "when things go wrong." also, she gets bonus points for showing up on neil young's everybody knows this is nowhere even if she didn't pick the best song to show up on.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

also, if robin lane and the chartbusters were punk, then the pretenders were merzbow.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i just got that nuns album on bomp/poshboy.i don't think i even knew that they had a girl singer. shit, i really should be posting this on the whither nuns thread. i'll go do that.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Chartbusters.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Brian Briggs as I recall did a great version of "Nervous Breakdown" by Eddie Cochran or whoever did it first. I have two good LPs by him -- sort of technobilly punk or something like that, like Bruce Wooley and the Camera Club crossed with, um, I dunno, Eddie and the Hot Rods? Okay maybe not that punk. But very energetic and catchy and wacky, though I haven't played them in forever. '

(And Robin Lane was never punk at all, no. Not on record, at least, and not on the five song live EP. I kind of think of Lane and the Chartbusters more as Quarterflash without the saxophone, and doing only ballads, no Benatar or Miami-sound type stuff. Which means Quarterflash without Quarterflash's best stuff. Which still leaves Quaterflash's worst stuff. Which was still pretty good.) (Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Lane basically a Christian rocker? Or am I confusing her with somebody else?)

chuck, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Pearl Harbor and the Explosions' first (only?) album, on the other hand, the one with "Drivin" and " You Got It/Release It" and "Shut Up and Dance" and "Up and Over" etc., was as far as I'm concerned a better and catchier and more danceable dance-oriented new wave rock album (partly but not only because it rocked harder) than the B-52s' debut, I shit you not. Though I am probably the only person on earth who will tell you that.

chuck, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

As for Holly and the Italians, I don't know them at all; you'd need to go ask Metal Mike Saunders.

The first two Rachel Sweet albums, on the other hand, fucking RULE.

(And maybe Brian Briggs is closer on the punk continuum to Moon Martin than to Eddie and the Hot Rods, rockabillywise. He definitely outrocks Rocky Burnette, though.)

chuck, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The first two Rachel Sweet albums, on the other hand, fucking RULE.

highlight of my band's career: playing a cover of rachel sweet's "who does lisa like," about a year ago, and then offering a beer, or something along those lines, to anyone who knew who did the original. someone yelled out, "i played on the demo!" turned out, he actually did. it was chris butler from the waitresses.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

pearl harbor, no contest. (that one GREAT explosions album, especially, though her solo one's not bad). though i like robin, too. and sue!

Robin Lane, no contest. Pearl Harbor & the Explosions couldn't write.
"You Got It/Release It" was energetic/frenetic but not catchy. Robin Lane went fron folk to electrified bar band rock really fast. "When Things Go Wrong" earned a lot of play by me.

First album Holly & the Italians was a bit better than both. She
had a tuneful way with a big electric rhythm guitar and sweet voice.

And none of these bands beat Marge Raymond and Flame who killed them with a hookier, brassier and more heavy rock sound which packed concussion.

George Smith, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"As for Holly and the Italians, I don't know them at all; you'd need to go ask Metal Mike Saunders."

Chuck, I can't believe that you don't own the first Holly album!!! It's a wonderful wonderful thing. Really top-notch. You, more than most, need to own a copy.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Love the 2nd Robin Lane LP. It's The Pretenders w/Patti Smith on vocals.

Both Holly LP's are essential.

DR Scott, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just listening to The Right To Be Italian not that long ago, and it's amazing how SOLID every song is. They all coulda been singles. Just great from beginning to end.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Some people achieve greatness, others have it thrust upon them, and still others are BORN Italian."

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just listening to that live Robin Lane & the Chartbusters album last night. I inherited it from my cousin, along with that great Warners comp Magic City was talking about, TROUBLEMAKERS. They're not punk.

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, well, how about 1994 vs. Legal Weapon, then?

chuck, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

1994's debut was very neat. "Radiozone" was the song I remember best and was great hard rock/metal crossover. Karen Lawrence had the perfect voice for it, now she sings da blooz and I never see any CDs. Second album went south, replaced winni guitarist with hack or maybe it was the producer's fault. "Please Stand By" -- the title -- was still a decent song.

Legal Weapon, another to cheer for. "Your Weapon" has "Equalizer" on it. Kat Arthur had her gun, she knew how to use it and was gonna. "Interior Hearts" was OK -- less boom-bang -- title cut was OK. Moved up to MCA for "LIfe Sentence to Love," a record I remember liking a lot, probably because of the lead-off track, "Hurt."

Advantage slight to Legal Weapon who paid more attention to songwriting and had some quantity in the catalog. But 1994 might almost be there in a tie, win out depending on mood, because the debut is really a standalone gem, erasing any sin of the subsequent flop.

Good contrast of talent bungled at the major label level with the indie crawling slowly along in the California punk rock scene getting more satisfaction. Nothing in print of either, I bet.

George Smith, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost the waitresses: did holly, with former, sing i know what boys like, and then, with italians, johnny are you queer? or neither? robin sang send me an angel or something like that i think she was(rockarama-pegged, anyway, as)a xtian

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Holly didn't do "Johnny, Are You Queer." Lesser known but equally fine songs: "Youth Coup" & "Tell That Girl to Shit Up (Or I'm Gonna Beat Her Up)." It's easy to confuse the two since they're in the same sonic space.

I thought Patty Donahue sang "I Know What Boys Like." Holly Vincent was in and out of the band but the singer/songstress on "Boys" sounded totally unlike her. Waitresses were supposedly related to Tin Huey.

George Smith, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, holly didn't sing i know what boys like. josie cotton sang johnny are you queer.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

josie cotton also did a good version of Looking Glass's unjustly forgotten followup to "Brandy" - "Jimmy Loves MaryAnn" (but probably not forgotten by, say, fact checking cuz.)

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The GoGo's did "Johnny are you..." first.

I'll have to look up that Looking Glass track, Ken.

DR SCott, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Patty Donahue sang "I Know What Boys Like." Holly Vincent was in and out of the band but the singer/songstress on "Boys" sounded totally unlike her. Waitresses were supposedly related to Tin Huey.

yup, patty donohue sang all the waitresses' hits.

tin huey co-founder chris butler was the man behind the waitresses. he still plays in various projects around new york and ohio, and has done some tin huey reunion shows of late.


fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Liam Sternberg? Where is he now?

DR SCott, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to maybe at least hear the Robin Lane recordings to hear Leroy Radcliffe's guitar playing. I always liked his playing when he was in the Modern Lovers.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone either confirm or deny my recollection that Leroy has a sixth finger (perhaps an artifact of strum/shutter speed interaction, perhaps added with some proto-Photoshop tool, perhaps an actual extra finger) on the cover of the Modern Lovers Live album? Perhaps it is no longer visible on the tiny CD cover, the same way the pages out of the erotic positioning manual are no longer visible as such on the cover of Big Star's Radio City.

Tin Huey
When I was coming up, when I used to listen to the radio of the non-college, non-streaming variety, I always enjoyed it when on Wednesday they would play that guy from Tin Huey going "Humpday, Humpday, Humpday." It denoted Wednesday-ness the same way that guy from Yello going "Oh, yeah!" denotes Brat-packer-getting-it-on-ness.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

waitresses & tin huey also both did versions of "i could rule the world if i could only get the parts" (the waitresses on their EP of that name, which was also the best release of their career.)

and transylvania vamp decently covered "Tell That Girl to Shut Up."

chuck, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean tranvision vamp? hope not, cos we need transylvania vamp too (vamp til ready)

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

also need valentino's or valentino vamp: "watching a black-eyed native girl cut and trim the lamp, valentino's vamp, in mexico."(donovan)

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, transvision vamp! oops. ("dressed up vamp" by bang tango is also good, though, and probably has more transylvania in it, actually.)

chuck, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What, no mention yet of Jane Aire & the Belvederes?!

(Whom I've never heard - I'm just desperate to contribute. I'll take Robin Lane because I've never heard Pearl Harbour - or, surprisingly, never come across any of her albums in the used bins. But apparently it's back in print as of 2003, so I may check it out.)

Myonga Von Banzai (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The Jane Aire LP is one of the greatest nuwavegirlgroup pastiches ever. Get it!
Jon Moss from Culture Club drums on it, but don't let that put you off.

DR SCott, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
the atomic swindlers' *coming out electric* album from this year (recently reviewed by george smith in the voice -- they're from upstate new york) totally reminds me of transvision vamp, only better.

xhuxk, Monday, 19 September 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

how did i miss this thread?

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

Essentials of Fake New Wave

http://www.spin.com/articles/blame-the-knack-fake-new-wave-feeding-frenzy-essentials/

xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 17:26 (twelve years ago)

Nice! I only own one of those, Sue Saad. "Young Girl" is my favorite on that album, and I had never seen this video before today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJsPqdHsSaA

New Authentic Everybootsy Collins (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)

Love the reviews, xhuxk. I'd never heard of #8 so I'll be on the lookout. In your review of the Brains, you'll want to specify who "he" is in the line about xgau's grade.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 00:13 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I noticed that -- must've slipped out somewhere in the editing process. Thanks though...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 00:38 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

I couldn't find a single thread that talked about "fake new wave". Some here & there
Doug & the Slugs Vs. Frankie & the Knockouts
Bands in the "powerpop" chapter of the 1980 new wave guide I just bought for http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=46289 off a seemingly homeless guy set up on the sidewalk of St Marks
Bands nobody ever talks about anymore in the "America" chapter of the 1980 new wave guide I just bought for http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=46263 off a seemingly homeless guy set up on the sidewalk of St Marks

Will def keep an eye out for the 7 I haven't got (tho would likely have crate-exhumed them anyhow based on the covers & the names)

I think Doug & the Slugs fits the bill. They did some great new wave (the first side of Wrap It! is especially awesome) but at the root of it they were a bar band with a hard-on for the mainstream. For a while, though, they hid it pretty well; with lyrics like "I've been to those rooftop jamborees, livin' in the wrong key / Spent some time as an urban mastermind, took a little chemistry / All by myself I learned that crowds are only good for hiding / Could I be a part of another time?" they hit some Devo-ish notes that won't be too familiar for folks who only know them from their proto-Smash Mouth singles "Too Bad" and "Makin' it Work".

Great article, Chuck! Nice equation between the two eras. Something that might be worth mentioning is that exactly the same thing happened in the alt-rock era, too: all these stupid provincial hard-rock bands stopped spraying their hair and grew goatees & became alt-rockers instead. I can't think of good examples (maybe STP?) off the top of my head & am too lazy to research, but that's another thread anyway.

Has talent, needs to figure out how to improve (staggerlee), Sunday, 27 October 2013 02:31 (twelve years ago)

Thanks! And Wrap It! was actually in my original list of 8 albums! But rightly or wrongly I got cold feet about it; bumped it for Brains, I think.

xhuxk, Sunday, 27 October 2013 03:41 (twelve years ago)

I'd have died of joy had Wrap It! made the cut. I don't know anyone else on the planet who rates it.

Has talent, needs to figure out how to improve (staggerlee), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 15:13 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

Never knew that

  • Robin Lane's dad was Dean Martin's pianist and co-wrote "Everybody Loves Somebody"
  • She was married to Andy Summers

We Shield Millions Now Living Who Will Never Die (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 March 2014 00:56 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

I forgot this thread existed. I DJd at a local record store recently, all of the records played had to come out of their used bins. Had great fun pulling out Pearl Harbor, Robin Lane and Sue Saad. Also played Poco's "Good Feeling To Know" and thought of Scott's Poco fandom!

Competent Cracker Barrel Manager (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:14 (ten years ago)

five years pass...

RIP Leroy Radcliffe.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 March 2021 19:46 (four years ago)


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