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i heard a snippet of a couple songs on amazon, actually sounded decent but you never can tell if they just stuck up the only good parts...anyway, I have noticed them lumped in with Travis and Coldplay, not good, but are they worth a listen for $4?

― g, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Absolutely awful. As is Pinochelle and Embrace and any other band along those lines--Deckard for another. Avoid avoid avoid.

― Mickey Black Eyes, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i will keep that in mind. I will admit to liking one of embrace's ealry singles, but they were pretty bland overall. Deckard seems awful. Starsailor sucked, horrible voice. In the witness clips, it did sound like the singer was decent...

― g, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anyone else care to say anything..?

― g, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Witness are shite. So are embrace. but they are nothing like each other, it never ceases to amaze me how completely ignorant some people are of the music they profess to dislike. and that is a definitely a bad thing.

― Ronan, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa there, pardner. I have all the albums mentioned above, and they are all shite. And there in no way insinuates that they sound alike-- but that they come from the same milieu. Much as in one might suggest that The Strokes and White Stripes and The Shins are shite, but not suggest in any way that they sound alike.

And come to think of it, it never ceases to amaze me how some people draw the wrong conclusions and don't have any gumption about making themselves giant buttmunchers. (Not that there's anything wrong with buttmunching.) :)

― Mickey Black Eyes, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four weeks pass...

Witness (UK) are a more than adequate band if you like rock that is a little retro. There are similarities to the guitar bands of the seventies, with a little alt twist of recent years. The vocals and music are really above par compared to much of the schlock coming out these days.

― The Real Answer, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mickey "any other band along those lines" isn't insinuating that they sound alike?

― Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And surely comparing bands like the Strokes and White Stripes, or comparing any band, for reasons other than how they sound causes problems. I mean it doesn't really tell anyone why you don't like them, all it does do is make you seem like you're judging them in some odd way not related to how they sound.

Also I don't see how Witness and Embrace come from the same milieu. Unless you're talking about all british guitar bands in which case it's even more confusing. White Stripes and The Strokes are obviously linked in peoples heads, Witness and Embrace aren't, at all.

― Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

White Stripes and The Strokes are obviously linked in peoples heads, Witness and Embrace aren't, at all.

Sez who? They are in mine, under the heading 'stodgerock that my mate Jon likes'.

― N., Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but thats millions of other bands aswell.

― Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound, funny but it's still stodgerock to me.

― N., Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess that's just a disagreement in terms, if it was confusing to you, Ronan, I apologise. In my mind, they all bloomed around the same late 90's period--I think the first Witness U.K. album was 2000, and the first Embrace was, what, 1998?--and are more or less the same sort of bland guitarrock that just sort of floats around England, capitalising on previous band's more reasonable fame, much as everyone from Matchbox 20 to Remy Zero to Third Eye Blind floats around the U.S.. They're all completely boring and frustratingly pointless.

The milieu was the marketing ploys underwhich these bands flourish-- in the same fashion that it's not a coincidence the White Stripes and The Strokes kind of hit around the same time. While it may not be a conspiracy, it's certainly a confluence of media forces.

― Mickey Black Eyes, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah sorry I just got quite snarky cos for some contrarian reason I thought you were plucking the names of two bands out of the air, and like using them as an example or something. er.....in the same way say, a metal liking friend of mine might say, oh dance jesus bloody pete tong and jon digweed or something.

Sorry though, it's kind of a pet hate with me, and you werent doing that really.

― Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wait, you mean Tong and Digweed aren't the same? FUCK ME, I just spent a fortune on those Underground albums. :)

― Mickey Black Eyes, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate when people refer to stuff as stodgerock or dadrock. terms are mostly used by people who only like dance or hip hop or experimental music, generally the least musical and most boring of genres. clearly most of the people involved in dadrock bands are not stodgy, and probably not likely to be dads either.

― g, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...

Witness (UK) are actually a cut above your average sad ballady British band. The debut album is a very slow, very sad, very bleak record with nary a chorus in sight and some really rather good songs on it, some very delicate arrangements. Definitely considerably more interesting than Starsailor, for instance, a hell of a lot more sublte and less bombastic. The second album is much more upbeat, chorus-oriented type stuff, with a definite big country twang, and isn't that far from Wilco circa Summerteeth, but not as good.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

witness = dull solemnity. my brother owned and enjoyed the first rec. i heard they went more eagles-y soft-rock on the second, so i avoided it also.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

They had a song called Into The Waves, which was amazing. Most the other stuff I heard of theirs was a bit so-so, though.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

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