Roots of Led Zeppelin

I'd have to dig out the mag to shed some light for you...
hoping someone gets there before me.. ;- )

I don't think the word "roots" is supposed to imply "rootsy" here. Just "this is what influenced them".

Tad, my impression would be that it's not so much "'roots' of Zep" as in "look, they were a ROOTSY kinda band", but more like "'roots' of Zep" as in: they directly ripped or covered portions of these tunes on their albums.

I don't know what other people think, but I usually like these MOJO comps. How much did you, Hurting? Usually you can buy the MOJO + CD for about seven bucks if you go to the right place.

It seems more like "Roots of Plant/Page" though. I'd like to hear more of the drummers that influenced Bonham.

Bumfluff, do yourself a favor and pick up the reissue of Davy Graham - The Guitar Player. It's a great album all around and has a live version of the song you mention as a bonus track. I don't know if it's the same recording or not though.

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i can tape it for you, don. it's a good record.

Wasn't there an article about this in the old PSF, called "JP the Thieving Magpie" or something like that? I think they also had an article on Jake Holmes, if it's not the same article. I believe he went on to write a few famous jingles.

I think the real ur-text though is the Small Faces "You Need Lovin'" -- it's got a lot more in common with Zep's WLL (right down to the "way down inside" breakdown) than Waters/Dixon's "You Need Love". Not to mention that Plant basically took his vocal style from Marriott's.

Anyone ever assembled a correct set of songwriting credits for _Led Zeppelin_?

That descending chord sequence thingy is all over the place but "Taurus" is definitely the closest to "Stairway" that I've heard and, given that LZ supported Spirit on their first US Tour and that Robert Plant, at least, was certainly a fan....

In fact, I rented the Led Zep DVD last weekend, and the first thing I thought of when watching Plant was how much he reminded me of Joplin. Except he's more feminine.

But, yeah, I can see the Joplin influence but Plant does seem way more soft and delicate.

Oh, another thing about that DVD - he seems to actually sing a lot better on some of the live performances than he does on the records!

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... I thought he got that from the Incredible String Band... in fact I'm fairly sure he did

Then I later went to Morocco, which moved me into a totally different culture. The place, the smells, the colours were all very intoxicating, as was the music. On the radio you could hear a lot of Egyptian pop like Oum Kalsoum, and depending on where you were, Berber music. I never tried to write anything down or to play it, I was just developing a love affair. But I know it did something to me, to my vocal style. You can hear it in the longer sustained notes, the drops, the quarter tones. You hear that in 'Friends' or in 'In The Light' for instance, lots of other places too."

"The sights, the sounds, the smells..."

Oh, no question Page was inspired by "Taurus", even if only "subconsciously" (á la George Harrison/Dixie Cups). I'm just saying it's not a note-for-note kind of thing.

And speaking of note-for-note copies, Page wasn't the only one: Years ago I was scanning radio stations and came across some sort of blues program mid-song. It was a slow blues, probably late '50s or early 60s from the sound of it, and the harp solo was virtually identical to Robert Plant's "You Shook Me" solo. Even the little vocalisms were the same, I think! It annoys me that I never found out just who that was.

That 'out of tune shifting' you speak of upthread, Sundar, seems missing on some of the later performances on "DVD" (as does timing in general, not to mention an ability / willingness to swoop up to the high register at crucial moments).

But yeah, his singing on the disc is often stunning.

the bbc version of "white summer/black mtn. side" quotes Jansch's "reynardine" as well...

see this post...

One thing I was curious about was whether he was aware of Tony Conrad's contemporary guitar bowing in the Theatre of Eternal Music.

I've recently been re-discovering the Yardbirds, in the course of which I happened across the Jimmy Page thievery article http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html mentioned in this thread. I haven't been able to s1sk any of the original versions that Mr. Page jacked. Does anyone have any of these that they'd be kind enough to YSI? I'd be particularly interested in hearing the original "Dazed and Confused".

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Y'know, after watching Festival Express and those two incredible Joplin performances, I started thinking that not only was Plant influenced by her, but that the entire template for the sexy, swaggering cock-rocking blues-rock lead vocalist of the '70s was based on her, which is a wonderful irony (if it's true). I mean, these singers are suppose to be testosterone-fueled, big dick, groupie-banging hard rockers, but their model, their origin is a super bad ass woman. I don't know...maybe.

I recall reading that Plant was informed by Joe Cocker in addition to Janis Joplin.

Daltry makes sense, too. He did go shirtless with demin, right? But, something tells me he is a bit too wirey and mousey for Plant. Janis has that swagger thing going on. But, I really don't know. I know next to nothing about Plant and Zep.

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Dude, I'm with you. Daltrey is kind of a dork. Now I don't deny that he had his share of rock 'n' roll moments as a singer, but he just is kind of corny.

Then I later went to Morocco, which moved me into a totally different culture. The place, the smells, the colours were all very intoxicating, as was the music. On the radio you could hear a lot of Egyptian pop like Oum Kalsoum, and depending on where you were, Berber music. I never tried to write anything down or to play it, I was just developing a love affair. But I know it did something to me, to my vocal style. You can hear it in the longer sustained notes, the drops, the quarter tones. You hear that in 'Friends' or in 'In The Light' for instance, lots of other places too."

Hey, this is kind of a weird request, but does anyone have a source for this article (that I linked a year and a half ago!) since the link no longer works? I'm writing an essay about Zep and could really use it. Thanks in advance.

IIRC the quote is from an interview by Robert Palmer if that helps any (but I could be wrong).

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love this rendering of these guys in court

Lol