So, is it true that Ninja Tune was funded by the lawsuit/out-of-court settlement money from Coldcut suing M/A/R/R/S for sampling their "Paid In Full" remix on "Pump Up The Volume"?

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Is it?

I'd find it odd that remixers today, much less in the late 80s, would actually have rights on their remixes to the point where they can control its use in other songs, furthermore being able to fund an upstart record label from winning a lawsuit resulting from it.

― donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was Stock, Aitken, Waterman that sued M.A.R.R.S., not Coldcut.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago)

and then secretly funding Ninja Tune

― bulbs (bulbs), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was A.R. Kane that sued Colourbox!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was that guy who slipped on Ted Turner's icy driveway

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago)

OW! This coffee's HOTT!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago)

3nd Degree Burn Records

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago)

why did you think this was true donut christ?

i would've thought Coldcut had made enough money via their own hit singles to fund the label, without having to sue anyone (they had their own problems with sample clearance at this time as i recall which in turn led to the collapse of their major label deal, resulting in the formation of Ninja - at least that's what i understood to be the case)

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago)

I was told it by somebody who's not known to be one to just spread bullshit, but I guess he made an exception that time!

Anyway, thanks, guys.

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago)

well it could be true but seems too absurd to be so. what's more likely is that the label Coldcut's remix went out on took legal action, probably jumping on the bandwagon after the world and his wife called out Mackintosh and Dorrell.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago)

Coldcut's legal probs led to the formation of DJ Food while the CC name was held up in said wrangles.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Ninja Tune was funded by John Major and Margaret Thatcher. They wanted some DJ mixes they could truly enjoy.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:27 (twenty years ago)

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Ronan, I think you meant Dennis.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, the Cinematic Orchestra ARE probably more Mr Wilson's bag

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:40 (twenty years ago)

So long as the bag's Jamaican, I don't think he minds.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago)

A week is a long time in downtempo hip-hop.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago)

So's Neighbours.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Ninjatune was partly funded thanks to Coldcut's bad dealings with Big Life Records who failed to promote there second album.

Some settlement was reached in their contract and they eventually got out, but not after much suffering from an arduous long-term label deal. They obviously formed Ninjatune about 18 months after the split.

Can't see CC ever demanding money from sampling as it has been as much their artform for over 14 years now. Eric B & Rakim's lawyers on the other hand....

If you know the duo's stance on major labels, just email them personally and find out yourself to get 100$ proof to your own question?

― herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

ninjatune = my fave label of 2004.

solid steel. diplo. big juss. hexstatic cd/dvd. sixtoo etc etc ..

been great fun ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

What about the solid steel comps, the new Mr.Scruff is excellent, and other course, Coldcut's "Journey By DJ's: 60 Minutes of Madness" has yet to be bettered in terms of mix Cd's goes. It probably is still the benchmark for eclectic fuckkery in sound, I'd say!

― herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Ninjatune was actually part funded by coldcut getting money from a certain big 80's star who is known for being very friendly to policemen. He didnt credit them with a sample and so paid out in a big way.
Kind of odd coldcut getting money for not clearing a sample but there you go

http://www.musiclikedirt.com

― neil, Monday, 26 December 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to say... where's the actual Coldcut sample on "Pump Up The Volume" anyway? There's a snatch of Ofra Haza's "Im Nin Alu" which was also sampled by Coldcut on the "Paid In Full" remix... but you could hardly sue someone for using the same samples of other people's work...

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone verify Dennis Thatcher's appreciation for downtempo DJ mixes? It would explain a lot......

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

does the 'paid in full' remix even have any non-sampled sounds on it!?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago)

<i>Ninjatune was actually part funded by coldcut getting money from a certain big 80's star who is known for being very friendly to policemen. He didnt credit them with a sample and so paid out in a big way.</i>

this true?

― s.rose, Thursday, 20 December 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Winner?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 20 December 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

George Michael?

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 25 September 2008 11:05 (seventeen years ago)

Sting?

― LBC's Steve Allen good morning I'm afraid (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 25 September 2008 11:07 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

20 years on ..

loving the 4 cd promo set thats now been sent out.
so much more than the trip hop tag the label gets associated with.

anyone got the box set proper on order ?

― mark e, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 09:41 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

looks like neil k got one of the boxes (ands like it) :

http://thequietus.com/articles/04979-ninja-tunes-week-xx-box-set-review-neil-kulkarni

― mark e, Monday, 20 September 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

everything i've heard from it so far is great (especially the two fingers track)

― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Monday, 20 September 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

Not related to the discussion but just wanted to post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTl8BkJkNIs

― billstevejim, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

That track is great, when it drops in the DJ Food Solid Steel mix is one of my favourite mix CD moments...

― Neil S, Monday, 20 September 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

everything i've heard from it so far is great

no shit

― modrić in paradise (blueski), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

90s ninja tune - search:

dj vadim - first album
wagon christ

?????

― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 00:25 (nine years ago)

amon tobin didn't really do it for me at the time... the tension between the organic-ish textures and the cutting edge computer editing made me queasy for some reason.. a kind of micro-scopic not-fitting-together..

― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 00:35 (nine years ago)

same with cinematic orchestra in a way... the drums sounded extremely lucious and tactile but the overall picture just didn't sit right with me.

― brimstead, Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:37 PM (twenty-five seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

man that sounds asshole-ish

― brimstead, Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:37 PM (twelve seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 00:37 (nine years ago)

I've said it before, but this record is still my favourite downtempo/blunted beats album of all time:

http://www.mixmastermorris.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/zen38.jpg
(The Irresistible Force: It's Tomorrow Already)

Such a brilliant set of samples Mixmaster Morris put on this record, and the addition of breakbeats to his patented ambient house swoops and ticks works surprisingly well.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 28 August 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

And if Ntone material is okay to you too, Neotropic's 15 Levels of Magnification is a brilliant set of nervous, minimal electro.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 28 August 2016 21:05 (nine years ago)

https://ninjatune.net/images/releases/fire-shepherds-main.jpg

^^^My favorite Ninja Tune stuff.

Loka — Fire Shepherds (2006)

― Austin, Monday, 29 August 2016 01:11 (nine years ago)

I still love that Irresistible Force record

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 August 2016 04:31 (nine years ago)

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