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1) De La Soul - Eye Know
2) The Smiths - Ask
3) Britney Spears - Born To Make You Happy

4) Bark Psychosis - Eyes & Smiles
5) The Modernist - Abi ''81
6) MOP - Cold As Ice

7) Aphex Twin - Xtal
8) Kitchens Of Distinction - The Third Time We Opened The Capsule
9) ESG - Moody

10) Fleetwood Mac - Gypsy
11) Richie Boy & DJ Klasse - Madness On The Streets
12) Joy Division

13) Slowdive - Alison
14) Omni Trio - Thru The Vibe
15) Kate Bush - Cloudbusting

― Tim, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

12) should read: Joy Division - Transmission

There is a purpose to the divisions.

― Tim, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ooh - get him with his inscrutable divisions.

― N., Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Boo hiss odd numbers. Rite now:

Four Tops - "Bernadette"
Prince - "Raspberry Beret"
Wire - "Map Ref"
Boards of Canada - "Everything You Do Is a Balloon"
Joy Division - "Transmission"
Otis Redding - "I've Been Loving You too Long"
Main Source - "Looking at the Front Door"
Eddie Kendricks - "Date with the Rain"
Roxy Music - "The Thrill of It All"
Lush - "Starlust" (either verzhun)
Donald Byrd - "Change"
AR Kane - "Crack Up"
Twin Hype - "Do It to the Crowd"
Throwing Muses - "Call Me"
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown - "Fire"
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - "Go For Your Guns"

Just narrowly missing the cut, ahem: Steely Dan - "Peg"

― Andy K., Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm most surprised and edified by your inclusion of "Alison," Tim, which I think is without doubt the best single that the entire shoegazing endeavour ever produced. The way it moves is just spectacular -- like watching a band balls-out rock, only in slow-mo and sepia-tone.

― Nitsuh, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My list will be most perfect, because it is FLAWED:

Ida - Purely Coincidental
Prince - I Could Never Take the Place...
Husker Du - The Tooth Fairy & The Princess
Sly & the Family Stone - Hot Fun In the Summertime
Beatles - I'm Only Sleeping
Eminem - Stan
Franklin Bruno - The Death of Vaudeville
Rodgers & Hart - My Funny Valentine
Persons - Easter Vest
Fugees - Ready or Not
Urinals - I'm Like You
Embarrassment - Lewis & Clark
Cheap Trick - Mandocello
Slint - Don, A Man
Christina Aguilera - What a Girl Wants
― David Raposa, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And I will CLOSE my tags.

― David Raposa, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) Felt - Primitive Painters 2) America - Ventura Highway 3) Kraftwerk - Neon Lights 4) Beastie Boys - Sabotage 5) Haircut 100 - Love Plus One 6) Glen Campbell - Wichita Lineman 7) Jackson 5 - I Want You Back 8) Tom Tom Club - Genius Of Love 9) Daniel Johnston - Laurie 10) New Order - Thieves Like Us 11) Go Betweens - Mexican Postcard 12) Supremes - Stoned Love 13) Marvin Gaye - Too Busy Thinking About My Baby 14) Altered Images - I Could Be Happy 15) Magnetic Fields - 100,000 Fireflies

― Matt, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

kenickie - come out 2nite, tubeway army - are 'friends' electric, flock of seagulls - wishing (if i had a photograph of you) extended version, jurassic 5 - concrete schoolyard, donna summer - i feel love, four tops - i can't help myself, de la soul - the magic number, andy williams - can't take my eyes off you, science fiction double feature (from the rocky horror picture show), deeelite - groove is in the heart, the cheers theme, beach boys - good vibrations, suede - my dark star, walker brothers - no regrets, kenickie - i would fix you (album version)

― david, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and the runners up: al green - let's stay together, joy division - love will tear us apart (never used to like it, but listening with fresh ears in the current climate of music it sounds like it was made under glass), ricky nelson - lonesome town, eric b & rakim - paid in full, john barry - the girl with the sun in her hair, kylie - light years, destinys child - bootylicious, basement jaxx - romeo, elvis - can't help falling in love with you, devo - that's good, lauren laverne & mint royale - don't falter, madonna - into the groove, the bee gees - to love somebody (although not perhaps the original), sugarhill gang - rapper's delight, the go gos - our lips are sealed and... and... at least one jackson 5 song (if not new edition's version of candy girl) and i cannot believe i completely forgot the osmonds genre-quaking crazy horses.

i'd be getting carried away to mention: love vigilantes, got ya money, i would walk 500 miles, no diggity, shoop/push it, hip hop, into my arms, the official end of it all, don't you want me, tainted love, the wild ones, stanley kubrick, birthday, can we start again, come undone, where is my mind, sleep, desire lines, falling (theme from twin peaks), make it easy on yourself, another girl another planet, i die : you die, superstar, the sun ain't gonna shine anymore, sparkle, we've only just begun and the new squarepusher single, but fuck it. there's a lot of perfect songs actually, not just 15. although i'd like to believe that was true..

― david, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

BOLLOCKS. and ben e. king stand by me. excuse me for listing the bleeding obvious but just occassionally some things are popular because they're the best.

i also really want to list baby one more time but because there's so many issues about why that song is 'good' and why it is 'bad' and the reasons for finding it strangely compelling are so complex i feel that it is too problematic an addition to be considered as 'perfect'.

unlike asleep from day by hope sandoval and chemical brothers which is like shafts of heroin sunlight and is therefore PERFECT.

― david, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh, er, and sigue sigue sputnik. either f1-11... or the overlooked teen anthem Dancerama.

― david, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

?? Where are all this 15 / 14 threads coming from? Have their criteria been explained anywhere?

― the pinefox, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It looks like the songs on this one need to be "hot" in order to qualify. I have my own definition of this of course so I'm going to give you the 105 4th Ave. perspective:

1) Kardinal Offishall - "Run Away (Bubbler's Anthem)" is the Timbaland/Bubba Sparxx beat but with BS taken off and Kardinal put on. "there's a lot of girls / who didn't come to dance / they want to look cute standin i their tight pants / I wanna see ya move / i wanna see ya sweat / i want you to bust a move that you ain't busted yet"
2) Kardinal - Money Jane (orig dancehall version)
3) Cam'ron feat Mase - Horse and Carriage
4) 2pac - How Do You Want It
5) Timbaland & Magoo - Indian Carpet
6) Mystikal - Bouncin Back
Ludacris - Ooh Ooh (a.k.a. "ikki ikki ikki ikki")
7) Faith Evans - You Gets No Love

8) Quad City DJs - C'mon and Ride It

9) A Stroke Of Genius - Strokes vs Xtina Aguilera

10) Johnny Guitar Watson - Ain't That a Bitch

11) Peter Tosh - Fluke
12) Dillinger - Cocaine
13) Horace Andy - Skylarking

14) John Fahey - Waltzing Matilda
15) The Brothers and Sisters of Los Angeles - The Mighty Quinn

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what is up with "Cold As Ice" popping up on that NME list and now here again? was it actually a bigger hit than "Ante Up" overseas? cos the concensus here was a disheartening followup to an instant classic (though not nearly as disheartening as the LFO collabo). the surreal sample choice is kind of inspired, though, i'll give it that.

my hot 15 right now: 1. CEX - Furcoat 2. Prince - I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man 3. Fabolous - Right Now & Later On 4. Talking Heads - This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody) 5. Faith Evans - You Gets No Love 6. Elvis Costello - Green Shirt 7. Lake Trout - Little Things In Different Places 8. the Roots/Q-Tip - Ital 9. Fat Joe and the R. - We Thuggin' 10. Sparklehorse - Comfort Me 11. Prince - Another Lonely Christmas 12. Jonnell w/ Method Man - Round and Round 14. Busta Rhymes - As I Come Back 15. the Boo Radleys - Leaves and Sand

― al, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pinefox, click here to discover the genesis of Perfect 14/15/16, and the original rules. We want yours and Norman's, insofar as they differ, ASAP.

― mark s, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Al, would Lake Trout be a DC-based semi-instrumental group last seen opening for the Dismemberment Plan in various locales?

― David Raposa, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark s this seems different though - wouldn't "hot" be almost the opposite of "perfect"? songs that pinch you for extremely contingent reasons? that's they way i read it. i'm not sure if ethan's point that the threads really ought to be about the asker's list still applies in this situation, but i think it's a good suggestion for the "perfect" lists which seem to be interested in carving some type of memorial canon or documentation of our fantastic tastes.

― Tracer hand, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David, yes, well, Lake Trout is from Baltimore (as am I), and like the DPlan, I've been a devotee ever since catching them live a couple years back ("The Other Side" is their attempt at writing a Lake Trout song). seeing them both for the umpteenth time on New Year's Eve, although LT's playing last since it's on their turf. if you can't see them live as a proper introduction, look for "Little Things".

― al, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cold as ice actually came out first over here. or as far as i know it did anyway. ante up was the less successful follow up.

― david, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

very interesting, when they reverse single sequences for different markets. i'd love to see a thread about that.

and oddly enough, i just realized that both Raposa and I listed "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" as our #2's, which I'm pretty sure is complete coincidence (subconscious?), i totally didn't see it before. i was just cranking the shit out of my friend's Prince mix in the car the other day, love that one.

― al, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Great minds think alike, of course. My list isn't qualitatively ranked, tho - otherwise, Ms. Aguilera would be much higher on the list.

― David Raposa, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer sort of guessed the intention behind the title - it's not that I don't think the songs I listed are "perfect", but rather that they're perfect *right now*, and next week I might have an entirely different list. Which is the plan...

― Tim, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) De La Soul - Eye Know hells yeah; my favorite De La song this side of "Saturdays." 2) The Smiths - Ask just discovering these guys, and I like this one a lot. 3) Britney Spears - Born To Make You Happy er, no.

4) Bark Psychosis - Eyes & Smiles 5) The Modernist - Abi ''81 dunno these. 6) MOP - Cold As Ice have to agree with the "disappointing follow-up" thread above; it's cool and all, and definitely satisfies at least one b-boy w/AOR jones that I know, but....

7) Aphex Twin - Xtal if I'm remembering this correctly, this is my favorite song off Selected Ambient Works 85-92, so yeah. 8) Kitchens Of Distinction - The Third Time We Opened The Capsule not familiar. 9) ESG - Moody fuuuuck yes.

10) Fleetwood Mac - Gypsy LOVE this one, though my favorite single of theirs is still "Hold Me." 11) Richie Boy & DJ Klasse - Madness On The Streets don't know this one offhand but am sure I've heard it. 12) Joy Division - Transmission cool but I prefer later stuff.

13) Slowdive - Alison dunno't. 14) Omni Trio - Thru The Vibe cool, but "Mystic Stepper" is one of those godlike genius things. 15) Kate Bush - Cloudbusting only know it as a sample. you can all shoot me now.

― M. Matos, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S: I looked at that thread and still don't know what the "15" project is. In fact, I'm more confused than I was before. Can someone simply spell it out in plain Erse?

― the pinefox, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Original: Ethan P announces the fifteen perfect popsongs. All gather to discuss (a) Ethan's 15, and therewith (b) the notion of perfection.

Variant One (abruptly combative): Others supply THEIR perfect 15 on Ethan's thread. A form of discussion of (a) and (b), yes, but not a very deep one.

Variant Two (objectivist-analytical): Others supply perfect lists (of varying lengths) on their OWN threads, to encourage discussion of (b) the notion of perfection, and (c) their OWN 14/15/16.

Variant Three (defiantly subjectivist): Supplanting the rubric "perfect" with the rubric "hot", lists are encouraged in which perfection is announced to be fleeting, evanescent, momentary, of the now. Etc.

― mark s, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh - I should note that since I bought "Souvlaki" after reading your AMG review oh so long ago (when you were just some AMG writer to me), you are sort of responsible for its inclusion.

I have commentary on my number one choice on da blog.

― Tim, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hm...interesting, this choice of "Alison," because while I like it a hell of a lot, as I do Slowdive in general, it is not and has never been an immediate leaps-to-mind song of theirs in my brain. I'm more inclined to think of "When the Sun Hits" from that album in particular. *taps fingers together idly...* Hm...I think it might be because of the vocals on "Alison," actually. You can hear Neil too clearly!

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alison an inspired choice, I think.
This MOP worship must surely end soon. Please.

― Jeff W, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five months pass...

1) Pay As U Go - Champagne Dance (DESTRUCTION Remix y'all)
2) Sonic Youth - Swimsuit Issue
3) DJ Shadow - The Six Day War

4) Truth Hurts - Addictive
5) Trina - Da Baddest Bitch
6) The Sundays - Folk Song

7) Louie Austen - Hoping (Herbert's High Dub)
8) Tweet - Always Will
9) The Bionaut - Electric Campfire (In a Neo-Ackerman Style)

10) The Triffids - Tarrilup Bridge
11) Foxy Brown - Run Dem
12) Frente - So Mad

13) P Diddy - I Need A Girl (Remix)
14) Throwing Muses -Flood
15) Ms Dynamite - Ramp!

― Tim, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

2) Sonic Youth - Swimsuit Issue
3) DJ Shadow - The Six Day War
11) Foxy Brown - Run Dem
13) P Diddy - I Need A Girl (Remix)

Now see, this is what knocks me out about ILM. DJ Shadow... AND Puffy? (PS that Sonic Youth track rules all on an album with lots of ruling)

― Nate Patrin, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim does Louie Austen have an album or something?

That song Grab My Shaft with Peaches off Futurism was great I thought. Probably the most tenuously "electro" thing on that CD.

― Ronan, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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