Great albums with an undeserved bad reputation when compared to the rest of the act's output

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Long title, but found no way to make it shorter. Could call it underrated albums, but the main aim here is to pick actually quite good albums that have generally been abused by critics when compared to other albums by the same act.

So, starting out then..

Depeche Mode: Construction Time Again
Some people tend to claim that they weren't really important until "Music For The Masses". Well, they were wrong.
"Black Celebration" was sort of a transitional album - from the pure synthpop of their first two albums and on the way to the harder, more digital sound of the rest of their 80s output.
On the way, they seemed to have listened to a lot of Japan and YMO, as the sound of this album is really shaped by that kind of stuff.
The tunes are strong, the arrangements are great. IMO, this is the best Depeche Mode album!

ABBA: The Visitors
In 1981, ABBA were considered very much a thing of the past. Consequently, "The Visitors" was their worst selling album for a long time, and all but one of the singles flopped completely.
Shame, because, if you do actually listen to it, this may well be the best album of their career. The album does actually find them updating their sound to the early 80s sound quite well. Indeed, "Head Over Heels" is a synthpop song as good as the ones made by acts 10 years their juniors. And the album also contains some of their best slower songs.
The current CD also adds "The Day Before You Came", "Under Attack" and a couple of excellent single b-sides, making it even better than the original album.

Kiss: The Elder
Their fans hate it. The critics hate it. They hate it themselves. How can this possibly be such a great album?
Well, it is, but it doesn't sound anything like anything else they've done, and I suppose people didn't expect this from these guys.
However, they do here show a touch of musical skills that most people probably never thought they were in possesion of. "Odyssey" contains a lot of really cool chord changes, "Under The Rose" sounds like sort of a small prog symphony, and there are some lovely ballads too. Hardly a Kiss album, but then, so much better than Kiss albums used to be.

Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans
Unlike "The Elder", this is not an example of an album that is hated by the fans. By everybody else, maybe, but not by the fans. "Tales..." was sort of the victim where some people decided that concept albums containing 4 20 minute suites was not the right thing to do. Of course they were wrong, but this has made "Tales..." an undeservedly critically dogged album anyway.
The truth? Well, it isn'tquite as good as "Close To The Edge" was, but it is still another great album from an excellent band that didn't see any limit to how long-lasting and extensive their works could possibly be. And, yes, best album sleeve ever too!

10cc: Ten Out Of Ten
In 1981, 10cc were long since considered very much men of the past. They had never quite gotten over Godley & Creme leaving, their past three albums had all been considered major disappointments, and the addition of new members (even one singing lead vocals) had also confused the fans.
However, the new guys left the band before this album, leaving the duo of Eric Stewart and Graham Gouldman. Together, they made the best 10cc album since "How Dare You". This is an album filled with classy popsongs, lead by the wonderful "Les Nouveaux Riches" - one of their best ever singles.
Sadly, the audiences never quite got the hint, and the album flopped, like "Look Hear" had done the year before. Together, this is hard to find, but still well worth checking out, being the best thing any 10cc members have been able to do after Godley & Creme left.

Rolling Stones: Their Majesties Satanic Request
My favourite Stones album is, frankly, my favourite Stones album because it sounds more like Beatles than Stones. So maybe that's why the fans don't like it? :-)
Anyway, the critics should take notice anyway, because they were actually quite good at sounding like The Beatles. This album is a hidden gem in their catalogue, that may not be "rawk'n'rawl", but is still a great English psychedelic pop album from the archetypical psychedelic era. Great stuff!

So, anybody else have some underrated favourites too?

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

gary numan, i, assassin: slinky is NOT something one normally associates w/ mr. numan. yet this album DOES slink, and it's great for that. several years after the "classic" replicas/pleasure principle/telekon troika, and one year after his more kraut-rockish/japan-ish dance -- but before the infamous numa years breakdown -- this one gets sadly overlooked. not perfect, but numan never was able to better mix straight-up funk w/ his typical clammy synth textures. points also for showing that gazza WAS listening to prince (his erstwhile pupil), and for serving as an open "what if?" in the numan canon.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The Gospel According to the Meninblack by the Stranglers - I love this record to the point that I feel it truly deserves its own In Praise of... thread, but it's too late in the evening, and I'm already droonk, so g'night.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Who hates Construction Time Again? They're dicks if they do.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i am also a construction time again fan. in fact, i like pre-black celebration depeche mode better than what followed.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Ultra" is a better example for Depeche Mode. The past their popular prime, post-Alan Wilder, post-drugs, marriage, and nervous breakdowns album.

It could stand to lose 15-20 minutes, but Tim Simenon's beefed-up sound showed that DM's sound was not, as many people were wont to believe, falling out of step with the times. Great singles (and their remixes!), plus some killer album tracks ("The Bottom Line" is a powerful, slow-burning stunner) = DM's third-best album after "Masses" and "Violator".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Sandinista only has like 6 or 7 songs that aren't very good. Out of 36. Which is still 22 songs or so better than Give 'Em Enough Rope.

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

replacements - don't tell a soul

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

it's weird - sandinista is routinely slagged off, won the p&j, and yet doesn't seem to come up in 'most groanworthy p&j winners' conversations. ponderous man.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

frank zappa -- you are what you is. a better mix has done wonders. it's also better than joe's garage.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"Magnificent Seven" is a better rap song than anything Arrested Development did, y'know

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus - Don't Stop The Night

People whine about the "insincere, Stock/Aitken/Waterman-influenced" production, but it's brilliant. "The Hairstyle Of The Devil" remains one of the most hook-oriented songs he's put together, and the lyrics are equally as excellent.

I wish it could've made him more of a cult star.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

FYI, this similar thread:

your favorite album by (insert artist) is usually considered to be their worst

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i know ... and i agree!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

wu-tang clan, wu-tang forever. it actually sounds better TODAY than it did when it first came out.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the boo radleys, c'mon kids (actually, kingsize too)
prince, around the world in a day

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cardigans - Long Gone Before Daylight. Most of the sugar is gone and the cute-Sabbath tropes are definitely forgotten, but there are some very solid adult-pop songs, as well as Nina's most polished and poised vocals yet. I really expected to hate this, given it's bloated 3-year, multi-studio, post-15 minutes, globe-traipsing, hot-guest-vocalist gestation period, and while it does reflect all of those negatives to some degree, it manages, somehow, to humanize them. The band's direly serious for the first time, despite the still occasionally torturous translations, and they manage to back it up.

― derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Agree about wu-tang forever. Also Television's 'Adventure'

― seuss, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM with regards to Visitor, altho I'm not sure if its underated generally. I've always assumed that it was considered to be their Tusk or Don't Stand Me Down

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I also like "Ultra", but I consider it more "mainstream" in a way liking their post-"...Masses" work. Plus "Construction Time Again" is even better anyway. ;)

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, I could even have gone for "Exciter". The only Depeche Mode album that I don't like that much is "Songs Of Faith And Devotion".

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

sonic youth - experimental jetset, trash & no star... i love it flippancy!

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I also want to add Squeeze's "Play". Just as good as their more famous late 70s/early 80s output.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Kraftwerk - Electric Cafe. Fantastic album.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Funnily enough I was just discussing this with an old prog-head mate of mine only this morning.

His nomination (thanks R*):

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000024E9F.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Mine:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004SX3H.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

'Electric Cafe' is a good call. give me that over what amounts to much tedium for me on most of 'Trans Europe Express', 'Autobahn' and 'Radioactivity'.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

rza - as bobby digital in stereo
low - trust

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ghostface killah - bulletproof wallets
REM - up

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

pavement - terror twilight
yo la tengo - summer sun
smashing pumpkins - adore
brian eno - apollo

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

**'Electric Cafe' is a good call. give me that over what amounts to much tedium for me on most of 'Trans Europe Express', 'Autobahn' and 'Radioactivity'**

Blimey - I wouldn't have thought you'd say this! What is tedious on TEE? Or the others..?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i like a few tracks on all of them but find them TOO plodding and monotonous. perhaps this is still residue from my youth. i used to hate TEE's title track but have adored it for many years tho - probably reaching the apex of that after experiencing it live twice earlier this year (tho it's not changed an awful lot since The Mix period really). i also like 'Airwaves' a lot, and Radioactivity's title track of course. i'm more about the technopop though, as if that were not obvious.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Magnificent Seven" is a better rap song than anything Arrested Development did, y'know

Someone buy that man a beer!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolling Stones: Their Majesties Satanic Request
My favourite Stones album is, frankly, my favourite Stones album because it sounds more like Beatles than Stones. So maybe that's why the fans don't like it? :-)

the great underrated stones album is between the buttons, which perhaps confuses a lot of people because it sounds more like the kinks than the stones. but it was their great bubblegum moment.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I like that one. And if I ever see a cheap copy of "Stantanta Great Requesty" I might...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

'Magnificent Seven' has a great great bassline but some terrible lyrics. which sort of puts it on the same par as 'People Everyday' i guess.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

'Magnificent Seven' has a great great bassline but some terrible lyrics.

Which are forgiven by one of the best choruses ever ("don't'cha ever stop/long enough to start/get'cho car/outta that gear!"). And besides, it was 1980; rock bands had not yet learned that hip-hop lyrics don't have to be fucking goofy (see also the even worse lyricism of "Rapture")

― STOP WITH YOUR PTANS (natepatrin), Thursday, 23 December 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins 'Adore' is my go-to answer, good call you fuckin' weasel.
B & S's Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant - might be my favorite of theirs

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 23 December 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The Residents- Roadworms
The Residents perform their sick bible influenced songs live in the studio with a four piece rock band. it really rocks!!

Faith No More - Album of the Year
This, much like Wu Tang Forever, sounds better today than when it came out.

― chaki in charge (chaki), Thursday, 23 December 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Adore is a great album. Much much more so than Mellon Collie.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 23 December 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - Timeless Flight. One of my favourite albums ever.

― Bimble..., Thursday, 23 December 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Adore is excellent, the last third of the album is better than anything they did past Gish, to my ears anyway.

AMC, San Francisco: the standard complaint is that it's over produced and a weird attempt to be commercial, and it is, but that makes it even weirder than the other albums. It has a fair number of Eitzel's best songs ever and when the production works it's magnifcicent (Fearless, Cape Canaveral, I Broke My Promise). I listen to this more now than the other records for some reason although I don't really think it's as good as them.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 23 December 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Regarding "Trespass", I think most of us who really love Genesis, and have gotten as far as actually checking it out, fully agree that is indeed a great album.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

david bowie : lodger.

nuff'said.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 23 December 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

you know whats funny about "rapture", nate? how many time DH mentions "the man from mars".

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 23 December 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Why heads don't rate Code: Selfish remains a mystery to these ears.

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The Beta Band - Heroes To Zeroes.
their best album, thought it's nowhere on the end-of-the-year charts...

― zeus, Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

playlouder dropped the beat band into their chart .. quite right too.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, they are the exceptions.

― zeus, Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

dinosaur jr - hand it over. i think this is the best dinosaur jr album out of all of them. most dino jr. fans barely even seem to acknowledge that it exists, from what i've seen. a little extra help from kevin shields & belinda butcher doesn't hurt, either

― 6335, Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Let It Be - The Beatles
Tim - The Replacements

― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The Birthday Party - Boys Next Door (or vice versa)

I reckon it's better than Prayers on Fire

― Soukesian, Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

neil young - trans (his best post-'70s album) and reactor (his second best post-'70s album)
bad religion - into the unknown (their best album BY FAR, and they one they refuse to keep in print, since it's "too prog" or whatever)
the clash - give 'em enough rope (their second best album after their debut, no matter what some nincompoops upthread believe)
patti smith - radio ethopia (HER second best album after her debut)
prince - controversy
prince - prince
cheap trick - one on one (and maybe dream police, which is real good, but i forget whether other people underrate it or not)
metallica - garage, inc. (probably their best album)
zz top - deguello and el loco
aerosmith - done with mirrors (their best post-'70s album)
van halen - women and children first (and maybe fair warning, see cheap trick comment above)
black sabbath - sabotage (their best album)
mekons - the mekons a/k/a devils rats and piggies (either their best album or their second best after fear and whiskey, probably the former)

― chuck, Thursday, 23 December 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

cheap trick - one on one (and maybe dream police, which is real good, but i forget whether other people underrate it or not)

The band themselves underrate it, finding it a bit too produced for their taste. Agree it's a great album, although I prefer "Heaven Tonight" if I am to pick my favourite.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 23 December 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Spaghetti Incident

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 23 December 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolling Stones - Goats Head Soup.

― Rock Bastard, Thursday, 23 December 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

>Spaghetti Incident <

True. Better than any album they ever made except Appetite and maybe Lies

Prodigy (the new album or the previous one) and lots of death-metal-turned-goth bands may well belong on this list, too, depending on how techno or metal the person you're talking to is.

― chuck, Thursday, 23 December 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

low - trust
This has a bad reputation? Great album, though.

"Adore" thirded. It's WAY TOO LONG -- somebody cut thirty minutes from it, stat -- but there's a 40-minute classic embedded in there.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 23 December 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

elvis costello - trust (HIS best post'70s album)

― chuck, Thursday, 23 December 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

hell yeah on elvis' trust. except that it's only his second best post-'70s album, with get happy being the best.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 24 December 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

me i always liked *taking liberties more than *get happy (same number of songs, and they both came out the same year), but what do i know.

― chuck, Friday, 24 December 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i like taking liberties a lot but i guess i wasn't really thinking about it 'cause it's not a, you know, "proper" elvis album, being a US-only compilation of british miscellany. but i like get happy better anyway, for the combined effect of all those short little songlets eventually sinking in -- some took a lot longer than others -- and adding up, eventually, to a really consistent, really coherent collection of northern soul songs as imagined and invented by a herky-jerky white guy who had a way with a song back in those days.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 24 December 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

(they each have one of my all-time fave elvis songs, though: "high fidelity" on get happy and "hoover factory" on taking liberties.)

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 24 December 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Regarding "Trespass", I think most of us who really love Genesis, and have gotten as far as actually checking it out, fully agree that is indeed a great album.

Trespass was the first Gabriel era Genesis LP I heard. I was unaware until recently that it was considered not so good.

― Steely Zan (AaronHz), Friday, 24 December 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Nincompoop? 30 great tracks on Sandinista - 22 more great tracks than Give 'Em Enough Rope = 8! Which is like 80% of Give 'Em Enough Rope! And this is me at my surliest when I'm not in the mood for the still-likeable "Julie's Been Working For the Drug Squad". Feh!

― STOP WITH YOUR PTANS (natepatrin), Friday, 24 December 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Good call on AMC's San Francisco. I'd add What Holds The World Together and Love Doesn't Belong to your otherwise excellent list of songs.

― derrick (derrick), Friday, 24 December 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i wasn't aware that get happy!! had a "bad" reputation?!?

elvis costello - trust (HIS best post'70s album)

actually, i'd nominate both punch the clock and goodbye, cruel world as great EC rekkids w/ undeservedly bad reputations. esp. punch the clock.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 December 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i wasn't saying get happy has a bad reputation. i was just introducing it into evidence, as Exhibit B, to refute evidence presented by the prosecution that suggested another elvis c album, to be referred to hereafter as Exhibit A, was his best post-'70s album.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 24 December 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

great albums that have a "bad reputation" and are better because of it:

joan jett, bad reputation
the db's, stands for decibels

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 24 December 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

yer right, cuz -- sorry, i was reading too fast. but this one:

david bowie : lodger.

= ?!? lotsa lodger love round here, and in the outside world. the correct choice wr2 bowie would be either the man who sold the world (bowie sounding like black sabbath) or let's dance (bowie sounding like 80s electrobutt, stepping up to bruce's similar and simultaneous electrobutt rekkid).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 December 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

wr2 unfairly neglected depeche mode records, i've always been fond of a broken frame, for "leave in silence," "monument," and "the meaning of love."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 December 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, who doesn't like "Lodger?" Or Eno's "Apollo?" "Goat's Head Soup" OTM. As are "Trust" and "Punch the Clock," though maybe more the latter (since it's more maligned).

I say "Zooropa," which a lot of people apparently hate.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 24 December 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cars - Panorama (probably my favorite "2" album in Spin's alternative guide)
R.E.M. - Monster
Steely Dan - Gaucho (three so-so songs, but I listen to the other four -- Babylon Sisters, Hey Nineteen, Gaucho and Time Out Of Mind -- as much as anything else from the SD catalog)
Urge Overkill - Exit The Dragon

I agree with the posters who mentioned Goat's Head Soup and Between The Buttons.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 24 December 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

My vote would be Supertramp's Famous Last Words

― Joe (Joe), Monday, 27 December 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Since when does Gaucho have a bad reputation? maybe the love it gets here is unindicative, I guess, but I've always regarded it as right up there with the rest.

― derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 December 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Gaucho didn't fare well in the '92 Rolling Stone album guide (two and a half stars) or in Christgau's guide (B-); in both cases, it's SD's lowest-rated regular album. AMG gives it four stars (compared with three and a half stars for The Royal Scam), but the comments are unenthusiastic.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 27 December 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, people are crazy.

― derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 December 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, what the hell's with the AMG rating for Royal Scam? That thing's a damned masterwork.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Monday, 27 December 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Satanic Majesties actually has more in common with Piper at the Gates of Dawn than it does with the Beatles, which is to say that it's grebt. (Not that the Beatles were not grebt as well.)

I think I like Trespass by Genesis, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 27 December 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Gaucho" does have kind of a bad reputation. Not least the band themselves were never fond of it.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 December 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That might be due to the trials they had in its production/release, though, rather than the songs?

To be honest, The Royal Scam is the album I listen to the least, aside from Two Against Nature. It's good, no question, but not in my regular rotation, unlike Countdown, Everything Must Go or Katy Lied.

― derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 December 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Royal Scam" is the Dan I listen to the most. "The Fez!"

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 27 December 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha the two albums I was going to mention were Exciter and Adore!

I played Adore again this weekend for the first time in a long time and "For Martha", "Daphne Descends", "Shame", "Behold! The Night Mare", "Appels + Oranjes", "The Tale Of Dusty And Pistol Pete", "Pug", "Annie-Dog" and "Shame" are all brilliant.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 December 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Adore OWNS this thread.

I got Trespass and Selling England By The Pound on cassette in the 80s (was a huge Phil Collins freak and couldn’t find his records and had heard he was associated with Genesis) and wound up getting really into them at the tender age of 9 or 10.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 December 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

pink floyd - a saucerful of secrets
the beatles - beatles for sale
the kinks - first four and schoolboys in disgrace

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 27 December 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"Selling England By The Pound" certainly isn't underrated when compared to Genesis' other output though. Or, maybe slightly, considering it is their best while "The Lamb Lies On Broadway" is usually considered a better effort. ;)

The fans tend to prefer "Selling England..." though.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Flaming Lips- Zaireeka

― cdwill, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'm playing Adore AGAIN and it just gets better every time I listen to it (and I've always loved it)! "Crestfallen"!!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Adore" should have been

To Sheila
Ava Adore
Perfect
Daphne Descends (easily the best song on the album, even the lyrics are great)
Crestfallen
Appels + Oranjes
Annie Dog
Shame
Blank Page

Much better once you trim the fat in the second half, which drags badly otherwise. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by leaving "Ava Adore" on there because it was the single, even though it's the weakest track of this nine-track bunch.

The It's a much better album once you trim the fat in th

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, ignore that last line.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

B-b-b-but "For Martha"!!!!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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