Roll Deep - Rollin' Deeper C/D?

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Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:26 (twenty years ago)

Shiny, glossy, poppy, brazen attempt for BIG proper album chart type success. If indeed this is the final version of the album, its totally un-grimey, and there are too many slow rnb tracks and not enough bangers. But still, "she's a fat butch like Pat Butcher".

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago)

More shiny, glossy and pop than the Shystie album? This all sounds most excellent.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:30 (twenty years ago)

Haven't heard the Shystie album, but musically its almost entirely a springboard from Special Girl from the Wylie record.

(By rights, the best bit of this thread should be when Adam has to explain to Jess who Pat Butcher is, but I don't think its going to happen)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago)

When's it out properly?

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:35 (twenty years ago)

I did not like the Shystie album: her voice needed different music, less glossy. It just didn't click in my opinion.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:40 (twenty years ago)

i only heard this once, and it struck me as *very* dull. i should give it a second chance, though, i guess.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago)

where did people get this from? im dying to hear it.

the shystie album was a dissapointment to me - too glossy and too much gleaming neo-blandite 'urban' music.

ive heard wiley saying stuff like roll deeps album will be for the mainstream, meanwhile hell keep doing stuff on the underground. dont know how true/feasible that would turn out to be though.

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago)

let the selling out of grime begin! its already happening!

themizzle, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake, please, no more of this 'selling out' nonsense.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago)

(aw no luck on dissensus hey matt)

there r a few atrocities, 'heartache avenue' AAAHHH STR8 TO HELL WITH U, not all the rnb cutups come off but when they do they r totally gorgeous: 'questions', 'the rain', 'no more'. ground zero vocal sounds suddenly v good too. i esp luv track 17 with the flute, heavy! ('show you'?) the penultimate indian banger is lazy arse tho. as an lp, i dunno, there's a flabby compilation feel to it (20 tracks?)that saps the implied grit to the gloss, but i dunno its still not so capital p poppy like u make out. couldve done with more taliban trim too balancewise

candour floss (mwah), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago)

(where have you been, candour?! will we ever see you in a pub again? does that email address work?)

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago)

It is pretty glossy for a "grime" album. Isn't there one track extensively built on a Motown sample? Can't think of the title at the moment.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Heh, the ILM thread has already yielded three times as much as the fortnight-old Dissensus thread.

I don't think its as bad as Toby does, but it could really do with being shorn of at least four or five of the slower tracks, and I wanted to hear more of the rapid fire garage-tempo stuff where the MCs all bounce off one another. Poltergeist sounds amazing when it appears and then the speed drops right off again. Also there's nowhere enough Jamaka-B on this record.

The best slow ones are Track 7 (the one with the twinkly 80s soul synths and the helium vocal), 11 (easy listening piano sample) and especially 16 which is like Sexual Healing grime.

Yeah, Heartache Avenue is an abomination but Shake A Leg works brilliantly I think.

(Anyone got a tracklisting for this?)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago)

would anyone be able to share this? please! im dying to hear it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 2 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

>(Anyone got a tracklisting for this?)

would like this too, all my, ahem, song titles look like >> Track 20-[€µ].mp3 :0)

>would anyone be able to share this? please! im dying to hear it.

slsk, ilm room. loads of ppl have it. pm me if u want my slsk username(s)

on first listen to this i'm mightily impressed. dont expect as has been said a grime/MC fest, this is wiley showing off his production skills and it works brilliantly, very very enjoyable

bo!ne, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

i have it

nordicskilla on slsk

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

and...oi!
Roll Deep - Rollin' Deeper

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
OK I've heard this now, I quite like it! though it is way way way overlong. Also, not grime at all.

Also TRACK LISTING KTHXBYE.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 6 March 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

This is bringing out the 'it's not the real album' wishful thinking in me I'm afraid. There's still about six tracks or seven tracks I really like though. Poltergeist is astonishing and I really wish they'd gone for more hyperspeed 8-bar relay stuff like Bounce, I Will Not Lose etc.

The rnb bits don't work AT ALL when the tempo drops below a certain pace, with the exception of that track with Kano (Good Girl?) and that track with Dizzee on its whose name escapes me.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 6 March 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Also its ordered REALLY BADLY. There's that cool intro and then it limps into some sort of terrible slow guitar thing. Why?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 6 March 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

roll deep's first relentless 12 is the new n excellent 'when i'm here' so i doubt it's all settled. and wiley's made plenty plenty plenty hot dubs in the meantime too

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Sunday, 6 March 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Anyone know what that Motown-ish track is called? (Track 13)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

The sample is from The Maisonettes, "Heartache Avenue"

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

so is there a chance this album might get revised and end up better than everyones been saying? seeing as theres no firm order, release date etc etc yet

ppp, Monday, 7 March 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

the thing thats leaked isnt the proper finished album though is it? so maybe the dismissal of it is a bit premature.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Lets hope you're right.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

from reading the new IDJ, it looks like let it out and when im here are the first promo 12, not shake a leg or whatever it was called.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Which one is When I'm Here? Shake A Leg was a bizarrely unrepresentative choice of single but so is a track that will have widely available for ages.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

the one where every single line ends with 'when im here', lol. its good.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

i want this to be the album, and i want shake a leg to be the single!

this is wicked!

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

It's not the proper version. Press release just went out as follows:

>> Roll Deep, the crew that brought you Dizzee Rascal and Wiley are now
>> releasing their debut album, In At The Deep End, out on May 9th.

>> 1. Intro
>> 2. Flying Away
>> 3. Bus Stop
>> 4. Show You
>> 5. Let It Out
>> 6. The Avenue (Debut Single)
>> 7. Be Careful
>> 8. When I'm 'Ere
>> 9. Shake A Leg
>> 10. Remember The Day
>> 11. People Don't Know
>> 12. Heat Up
>> 13. Good Girl
>>

Chris Houghton (chrish), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Hmmmm

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

But most (all?) of those tracks are on "Rollin Deeper".

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Is that the Donae'o track on there?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Well, there is a track on the same (Target?) beat with Scratchy going "ee ee ee!" all over it...

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is Target. Maybe Scratchy and Trim will get their own record at some point.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

ee ee ee ee ee ee!

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

With the So Solid Kids haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

2. Flying Away
3. Bus Stop
8. When I'm 'Ere
12. Heat Up

Are the ones that don't seem familiar to me.

Can't believe that atrocious Heartache Avenue thing is the debut single, though. Why do grime types have such bad taste in pop?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't know. It's really sad though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Why do hip hoppers be lovin' the Phil Collins?

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

If a lot of hip hop sounded like Phil Collins I would probably ponder that question more.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Also where the fuck is Poltergeist?!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Where is You Were Always?

Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Is God's Gift or Riko on ANY of these tracks?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

"Heat Up" is the Trim & Scratch roll-roll-roll-your-boat tune they've been playing live for a while. It's not on the version that leaked, IIRC.

It's a really strong record. Like what I've heard from the Kano record, it's not grimey for the most part, but it works as a pop album-album (and counterpoint to what Wiley seems to be priming for his own album) rather than a hastily arranged collection of singles'n'filler. Still not convinced by "The Avenue", though.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 27 March 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

more tracks like when im here would have been hot, but the pop tracks arent actually that bad, really. not what i wanna hear from the entourage, but not as bad as i thought they might be. even the avenue isnt that bad! cant believe im saying this. but why they had to go all poppy when kano obviously isnt, is weird to me. grime will never get accepted on its own terms if artists do shit like this, and if this album is a success, i really cant see roll deep doing as much underground records anymore. i mean, dizzee doesnt do any more dubs now hes on xl does he? then again, roll deep have stronger underground ties so maybe im wrong.

ppp, Sunday, 27 March 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Is Flying Away the slowish "this could be my opportunity to bust" one with the guitar and the female vocals, track 2 on the version that leaked as well? That's a bit of a limp opener, isn't it? Whatever happened to kicking things off with a bang?

I'm presuming Bus Stop is the guitar-organ-funk-Blackalicious thing as well. Likewise, meh. Still don't know what When I'm 'Ere is, although the second half looks much stronger than the first.

Bit disappointed at the lack of that I Will Be Yours tune as well, the one with Wiley over that sped up Sexual Healingesque backing. That was my favourite on the leaked version AND it was a good radio friendly pop tune so maybe Wiley saved it for his second album.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

They also dropped a lot of the REALLY limp stuff from Rollin' Deeper which I'm happy with. Good Girl was the best of that lot by some distance.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't think 'When I'm 'Ere' is on the leaked version?

there's a really good Danny Weed remix of 'The Avenue'. I'm still too weirded out by the original to actually judge whether I like it or not (on balance I think not).

while I am all for grime artists going for the pop factor, I am a bit wary of them going for the novelty one-hit factor which will be 'The Avwenue's fate if it actually becomes a hit, which it surely will not.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 27 March 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't think 'When I'm 'Ere' is on the leaked version?

No, it's not. It was the lead track on the promo Relentless 12, though (b/w with "Let It Out" and "Be Careful").

Btw, Alex, Ruff Sqwad have just started on Rinse now if you're back in London.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 27 March 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

finally worked out that the verse of "Heartache Avenue" reminds me of the chorus of "Happy Together"

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)


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