Where does Techno, Techno Rave, Techno-Industrial etc leave off

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Where do you, as a music lover differentiate between Techno...Techno-rave...Rave...Techno-Industrial...Gabba...Hard House...etc...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

gaze not into the abyss....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

genres are soo last century.

― :| (....), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

as a music lover i'd say yopu can safely ignore gabba and hard house.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

just once I'd like to see a chart of techno genres broken down by time signature and bpm. You know, like:

house = 4/4: 120-136 bpm
jungle = 5/8: 140-160 bpm

etc. cuz I'm convinced this is basically what they all boil down to...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

As a music lover i'd say you can safely enjoy gabba and hard house.

Who the fuck is yopu?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't he a world-famous Vietnamese speed garage DJ?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he was some sort of Star Wars muppet beloved by boys who have problems with adulthood.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

even better.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah this really isn't important is it? but if you're going to do it please do it on a track-by-track basis and not artist-by-artist:

techno: Vitalic 'Fanfares', Adam Beyer 'Ignition Key (Speedy J remix)', Biosphere 'Novelty Waves', L.F.O. 'Freak', Hardfloor 'Acperience' - dark driving bangers at around 130-150bpm...and as a result at odds with the more contemplative/tranquil examples such as Hot Lizard's 'The Theme' or Jeff Mills 'Wave Dump' - but it's all techno to me guv

techno-rave: i don't think of this as existing anymore and not for some time but something like 80 AUM's classic 'Mindcontroller' spring s immediately to mind. or maybe DJPC's 'Inssomniak' or D-Shake's 'Yaaaah'. just something about them sets them out from just being techno, they tap into that 'rave' thing but not to the extent as described below.

rave: ditto, check Prodigy 'Charly' (if only for the poppy novelty/comedic aspect - a large factor in much of what constituted the early 90s rave phenomenon) or Bizarre Inc's 'Such A Feeling' tho - a great example of it's time (arpeggiated synths, shouty man, crowd noises...but what distinguishes it from the D-Shake track is the addition of house piano and vocals - most rave tracks that don't fit the 'ardkore' blueprint (breakbeat-led) tend to fuse traditional techno and house elements in that way).

techno-industrial: help me with examples if someone can (i know there are loads but i can't think of any other than Front Line Assembly or something).

gabba: anything over 180bpm basically

hard house: pounding hard but not quite techno-hard and more vocal, ergo 'hard house' (average bpm 140?) - classic example: Pump Panel remix of New Order's 'Confusion' but Fierce Girl's recent 'Double Drop' adds chirpy wideboy vox to an actually quite good hard house style production (take the vocals off and you're only round the corner from Rex The Dog). Rex's tracks being another facet of HH really. also does Hystereo's 'Winters In The City' fit here more than anywhere else?

so er, yeah, not important at all...

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know any of those songs. Except maybe LFO's "Freak" which sounds vaguely familiar.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

obv. there's too much genre-melding for this kind of thing to really stick anymore ('Winters In The City' a case in point - it's got the pounding but controlled drive of hard house, the gargling growling synths of techno, the euphoric mania of rave, the uplifting melodic elements of house - both ambient/balearic and disco-based, the wistful melancholy of refined Detroit 'future-jazz'...but not a vocal hook in sight)

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

you can still get my recent Ascension Pantograph (aka Now That's What I Call Techno 93-96 and 02-04) mix for further clarification/confusion

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

im actually curious what the definition of techno-industrial mihgt be. most of the stuff i can think of that would fit the name is alraedy categorized as ebm (suicide commando), acid (heckmann), schranz (liebing), or hiphop (techno animal).

― :| (....), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it would mostly refer to ebm.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing that I've yet to really see discussed anywhere is the fact that much of what currently passes for industrial is really just trane music with goth vocals. VNV Nation immediately come to mind.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That's OTM. So much industrial is caught in a locked groove of 1995 trance.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

really just trane music

er, *TRANCE* music.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

coltrane was a secret goth

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry to pull you up, but jungle is almost exclusively 4/4 as are almost every single popular music form.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

coltrane was a secret goth

As evidenced on his little-heard A Love Supreme That Lurks In The Deep Dark Blackness Of The Pandora's Box That Is My Soul.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

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