Pete Doherty: Best Rock Star since Jarvis Cocker

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FACT. The Babyshambles single is incredible and he's obviously one hell of a talent. Had tears in the eyes last night though - he's clearly going to end up killing himself.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Incredible" as in "it's incredible that the people of Britain (and behond? I'm not sure) are falling for this tedious schtick again, when the last time it showed up, it was rightly ignored"?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit. DNFTT. damn me.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

que?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, no. And I like the libs as you know. The babsham single is OK, but the Wolfman "Napoleon" single was better.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

surely Jarvis and Pete are the very antithesis of 'rock star'

Pete can't even make it to his own gigs, that's how unappealing they are

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy is addictive viewing and LOOKS like a rock star after years of Chris Martin blandness. The fact that those shitty, "sing in a fake yank accent" Thrills thinks they are overrated makes me love the Libs all the more. Three great rocks stars over the past 10 years - Anderson, Cocker and Doherty. Fact.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Admittedly, you did say since Cocker. Maybe, maybe.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy is addictive viewing

that's right, enjoy your carcrash, sickos the lot of yer

The Thrills are still going? it must be 30 years now...

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

jarvis = everest, PD = marianas trench. Jarvis = number 1, PD, you need to be Jacques Picard, sitting in a bathyscape just to try and work out which number he was. One number more than bby gllsp haha. Come on man, that babyshambles single = utterly mediocre! You're comparing this to fucking PULP!!?? FFS!!!

(x-post he looks like a rockstar?? HE LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE CHAVS WHO SIT AT THE BACK OF THE nr47A BUS!!!!!!!!1!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

PD isn't even Picard, he's barely Scott Bakula

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

....PD, you (dear reader) would need to be....

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

pd is stupid

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Since pulp, not as good as.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Just to clarify, Morrissey, Jarvis and Brett are my fave rock/ pop idols ever. Pete is getting there though. I like his schtick (not the heroin stuff, of which I read little about anyway).

I like my music stars to look obtainable - like that could be anyone who is a bit indie, angry and has something to say. Goes both ways too - I'd prefer a female star to be Chrissie Hynde/ Tori Amos/ Kate Bush or Shirley Manson, either though I'd obviously be more drawn towards Holly Valance from a crotch stand point...

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for clarification

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"crotch stand point" sounds like something a surveyor would use "'ere Bill, pass me the theodolyte and the crotch stand point would you"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i have a favourite rock star.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

his schtick *except the heroin* = what?! not wanting to sound regro, but... it's all about *the tunes*, this pop music bidniss, isn't it? which is why pd is a footnote to a footnote in the nme annual of niche marketing initiatives 03-04.

― henry miller, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i have a favourite rock star.

congratulations on not being 14

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

does dmx count as a rock star? if so, i vote him.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

how could you forget Teh VOSS ? ;)

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

pete voss > dmx > jarvis cocker > pete doherty

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

MY FAVOURITE ROCK STAR = TOMMY VERCETTI

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The songs are good, the guy writes good words, the stage presence and sex appeal are there. I like the spontaneaty too.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr Vegas > Wendy James > Guru Josh > Wrekked Train > Clint Boon > Silver Bullet > Spagna > Howlin' Pelle > (23 hours later) PD

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

my ten favourite rock stars of the moment, in no particular order

dmx
pete voss
elton john
snoop dogg
george michael
bono
axl rose
morrissey
avril lavigne
lil wayne

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the spontaneaty too

yeah that whole 'will he turn up or not? if he does will he remember how the song goes etc.' must be a real thrill

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

HEY MAN I SAWN THE REAL JOHNNY THUNDERS (and he = teh r0x0r too)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

calum, do you like pete voss?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete Voss is a joke but one of my favourite rubbish jokes nonetheless. style over substance, terrible lyrics badly sung...the band had some good ideas tho...it could've been great! esp. thinking back to the 'Vito Satan' video...

oh alright.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, you be slagging me off and you like Elton John and George Michael?

Screw you guys, Pete Doherty rox!

― C_Man, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

so, what have we learned?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i wasn't slagging you, i was slagging that tedious twit pete doherty

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

so, what have we learned?

Calum cares about image more than music? But in a 'cool' way and not a pop muppet way, obviously.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i think calum's desire for an interesting image to complement the music is similar to my own.

i'm still not feeling this pete doherty business though. he'd never write a song in nadsat.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

also, their music sounds a bit thin and boring to me.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i want my rock stars to care about what's going on in the world around them and use their influential position to help take a stand and fight the power

go Chris Martin and Bono!

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

carl barat is a better rock star (which sounds so cliche in itself) than pete is. or the libs play/sound better when pete isnt there. much tighter and more furious. saw them abroad earlier this year.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree w the first part of that obv. doherty/libs are so budget, they don't give a fuck about how they sound, what's important is that they're doing it.

xpost

― henry miller, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If Pete Doherty was a good rock star he'd be on Band Aid 20.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

doherty/libs are so budget, they don't give a fuck about how they sound, what's important is that they're doing it.

why is this acceptable when Terris were not?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like I've said since I came on here - OF COURSE image is important and OF COURSE we all want to feel wanted and fuckable... that's why saying you want to tear of Girls Aloud's bikini's with your teeth is a total compliment because that is the image THEY PERSONAllY choose to put across. In the same way that - say - Tori Amos or Kate Bush do not, and more respect to them.

But image is all important in this game. The Libertines have it and Coldplay or Travis do not. One is a band for housewives the other is not. I think Pete and Carl really saved music from a hell of a rut, along with a few other kickass exciting bands (The White Stripes, The Raveonettes, Franz). These are the polar opposites of Keane or Fran Healy and thus offer a genuine alternative.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer Carl...

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"I think Pete and Carl really saved music from a hell of a rut, along with a few other kickass exciting bands (The White Stripes, The Raveonettes, Franz). These are the polar opposites of Keane or Fran Healy and thus offer a genuine alternative."

pish posh, calum. there are many many things that offer a genuine alternative.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(i mean, perhaps you are guilty of talking about indie rockers as if they are the only music out there? of course its yr entitlement to focus on those bands if you wish, but saying they saved "music" from a hell of a rut...tut tut...)

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like I've said since I came on here - OF COURSE image is important and OF COURSE we all want to feel wanted and fuckable... that's why saying you want to tear of Girls Aloud's bikini's with your teeth is a total compliment because that is the image THEY PERSONAllY choose to put across. In the same way that - say - Tori Amos or Kate Bush do not, and more respect to them.

http://www.white-man-killer.com/tori-amos/images/tori-amos-faq02.JPG

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't you think Tori puts across something more than that? As I said, everyone wants to feel fuckable, but it's whether or not you genuinely have something more than that to your success (i.e. Jenny McCarthy without the tits and the hair and the nudity would still be flipping burgers for a living).

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

If you actually had sex once in a while you'd me much less obsessed with other popstars who are completely sexless.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to pull my own eyes out just reading this thread.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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1st ramones album is a tough act to beat!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i know ... dee dee is a better songwriting than doherty. anyday just for the 1st ramones album. its a shame that he never got the credit only the junkie jibes.

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

speaking of the ramones has anyone seen jonny ramone's grave in l.a.? its a huge statue of him with these crazy quotes from lisa marie presley and vincent gallo. bizarre.

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:21 (twenty years ago)

He's not wrong :

ihttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/df/250px-Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG/250px-Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Will we always need rock stars?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

you guys see that his biological dad is terry graham, of gun club and bags!?

― noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39457.html

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, RIGHT!!

Picture of Owl going O RLY???

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

covered by Kiki & Herb last night in NY:

http://www.indelicates.com/lyrics/doherty.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Can anyone else not stop thinking of the Peep Show episode with Jez and Super Hans buying that pub?

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

FREE THE PAEDOS

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Pete knows Liam through singer Lisa Moorish, with whom they both have children

I didn't know that.

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

conceived simultaneously.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha (xpost)

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, I did. Wasn't Gallagher fuming in the press about supporting Doherty's kid coz Doherty was blowing all his cash on drugs?

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

If it's possible to troll a pub, I would like to try. Would anyone like to help me work up a fiendishly evil scheme to get The Lex in there?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

they call it "wyatting", chief.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

not when lex's around, though, natch.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Has he heard of Robert Wyatt?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

that was my funney right there.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Why am I asking, even?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like a good idea.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like a ~~good idea~~digitalspy are fucking stupid enough to publish any shit someone sends them.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds a lot like the Lock Tavern to me, except probably with a lot less dance music played.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

wtf i didn't know Moorish actually had kids by either Gallagher OR Doherty

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, either Gallagher or Doherty

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

That's kind of what she's famous for (if you hoover up ridiculous celebrity gossip like I do). Like an even crappier Pearl Lowe/Sadie Frost.

Did Liam really hang around in the Good Mixer?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/story/0,,1949789,00.html

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

A Jason Pierce acoustic tour sounds like the worst thing ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

He remembers more about the recovery, when he was confronted by a pale apparition at the end of the bed: Primal Scream's Bobby Gillespie, taking advantage of visiting times. "I remember him saying 'I knew you'd fuckin' make it, your handshake was too strong,'" smiles Pierce. But Gillespie was "a good man to see. Your nearest and dearest find it harder to cope. You need strong people who can say 'This is not a disaster'."

i used to look up to these guys! jesus.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

i went to the mixer a couple times around 94ish (i think it was). nowt special.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

i don't even know how a JP acoustic set would work.

"that song was 'electricity'; it used to go like that, but now it goes like this"

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

.. or when he does "The Individual" using only a harmonica...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

finger-picked 'cop shoot cop': liable to drag a little.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

so many things wrong with the thread premise

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 17 November 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Doherty Vs. Jarvis, I am surprised there doesn't seem to be a ny thread about the new Jarvis album.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Old guy releases shitty album nobody cares about other than journalists who he gave interviews for back when they were a youth, and now he's calling in favours: story at ten"

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Friday, 17 November 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Doherty's not that old...

― braveclub (braveclub), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

From : The Boogaloo
[...]
Sent : 15 January 2007 17:00:12
To : "List Member"
Subject : Babyshambles at the Boogaloo.....Tonight

Babyshambles at the Boogaloo.....Tonight

Tonight and For One Night Only

Hi Henry,

Reverend Fathers...Sisters of the Immaculate Heart...Kiltegan Fathers.....Ladies and Gentlemen....

We can confirm at short notice that Babyshambles have requested to play at their spiritual home tonight....

By Request...Support act tonight is the other hottest band in town right now....From Pittsburgh PA.....The Outside Royalty

This is a ticket only event....
Advance tickets Only from www.ticketweb.co.uk
Tickets go on sale at 5.15pm

There will be a strict door policy...Over 18 only

If you do not have a ticket....Do not come to the venue....

Doors.....7.30pm
The Outside Royalty......9pm
Babyshambles.......9.45pm
No Drugs...No Weapons...No Exceptions

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― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

the doors are supporting??

― PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

From: The Boogaloo
Sent : 15 January 2007 17:48:35
To : "List Member"
Subject : Babyshambles.....Sold out in 3 minutes

Babyshambles.....Sold out in 3 minutes

And Sally O Brien and the way she might look at you............

Hi Henry,

Ladies and Gentlemen.........

The gig of the year is Sold Out.....

Babyshambles and The Outside Royalty sell their tickets like no other ....3 minutes and it was all over...

To the dissappointed we are sorry....but it might happen again one night soon....

Vaya con Dios Forever et Erin go Bragh

Frank Zigler

My feet are here on broadway this early harvest morn...
And oh the ache thats in them for the place that I was born....

So God be with you Ireland
And the Old Bog Road

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E-mail: 1nfo@theb00galoo.c0.uk

lol junk filter amirite

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

i was too busy watching 'elephant diaries' fucknuts.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

The Boogaloo makes me want NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST in TWO KATE MOSS-SIZED SECONDS

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Back Off (the) Boogaloo!!

― ringo (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

REAL MUSIC!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2152576,00.html

please to just lock him up already.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 20 August 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

Please to at least look at the new answers page before you revive another thread then the one that was revived just hours ago. :-)

The rolling "Pete Doherty arrested for drugs again today" thread.

― StanM, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

(then -> than)

― StanM, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

oh i forgot that one.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

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