oxide and neutrino - wtf?

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so ricky t makes me download "up middle finger" last night, and it's quite good (but the real test shall be in the car today with the bass cranked.) so i decided to download a bunch of other stuff and burn it...i had already heard "bound for da reload" which simon r called the "most tuneless uk number one ever" and i'm inclined to agree. as for the rest of it, jeezus...it's like the bleakest strain of nu-gangsta hiphop i was talking about before given a caffiene injection. more exuberant than techstep, but not entirely dissimilar in intent perhaps? yet it is queerly compelling (like simon r also suggests.) those string flourishes and harpsichord chords that mark s is so fond of sound positively palsied and the rhythms are occasionally more monomanically focused than even something like "to shape the future"? it can't be the mc'ing (okay, it probably is)...how did this stuff become so huge?

jess, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i know we've done a lot of so solid threads, but i dont remember any oxide threads. my last thread this weekend, i promise.

jess, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just wonder why it isn't HUGER!

It's 'monomaniacal' sure (the rhythm I mean), yet if something is monomanically focused yet new enough for people not have a handle on quite yet, that usually makes an impression.

dave q, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK that was bullshit non-answer. I think it IS the MC-ing. It sounds so recognisably of its origin, there's no way you could mistake people who use the word 'nappy' as American or whatever else.

dave q, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i suppose the parallel notion running through my question has little to do with music-proper; not living in the uk and especially london, i only have to assume that the bleakness (still filtered through happy-rave-hardcore-vibe continuum, which explains its compellingness to these ears anyway) has to mirror a shift in the mentality/living conditions/social structure of those making it. also, maybe not musically but probably musically as well, i think this sorta mc- garage is much more of an actual paradigm shift than most dance cutural commentators (i.e. mssr reynolds) give it credit.

jess, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

can't remember anything good except b 4 da reload & fighting machine... I have O&N LP and its just a load of crap... ps can't understand what is so good about up middle finger??!!

richelleux, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) On the similarity to techstep - yeah it's very strong, and I was actually meaning to mention this sort of stuff as an alternative that fit your urban = techstep theory better than I reckon urban actually does. (It might help if you thought of So Solid Crew as Cannibal Ox at double speed).

2) On the shift in cultural paradigm - absolutely and definitively yes. I bought a Sunship album from '98 and listening to it I was shocked to fully realise just how much UK Garage as a style has changed and pretty much completely rejected its origins. On Sunship's album the songs are basically Todd Edwards-style garage tracks with garage snare patterns and oddly programmed kick drums... which I had expected, but after listening to so much current stuff it was a shock to go back and listen to what was frontier stuff not too long ago. How we ended up with hyperspeed, agressive ravey UK hip hop with sharp post-Timbaland beats in two years is quite difficult to say. The difference between hardcore and jungle is actually smaller, methinks.

3) On its success - think of it as the urban black/underclass equivalent of Britpop (only not so backwards-looking, and reacting to US hip hop rather than grunge) - at once a strong pride in local culture and music and a yearning for close-to- home but charismatic supastars. Songful UK garage generally has better tunes, but O&N/SSC style stuff has more interesting personalities - perhaps the least "faceless" style to have arisen from within dance music ever? I also imagine that with US hip hop and r&b so technoid at the moment it's been comparatively easy for a lot of people to stylistically "jump ship".

Tim, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love SSC and what I've heard of O&N but as other MC-garage "crews" and "squads" trickle through to my ears, I'm wondering if it's all a good thing. If we're going to compare bleak UK garage rapping to techstep, are we implicitly predicting a similar cul-de-sac? Relentless bass=line rinsing vs. relentless hyperkinetic raps?

Honda, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm not sure Honda, but points to the contrary might be:

1) relationship with the charts. These guys want to get paid enough to have hatas, and that's not gonna happen if they get too grimly repetitive - the kidz will stop buying them.

2) relative rinky-dinkiness of the music; strip off the rapping and a lot of this stuff isn't actually hard, just very cold-sounding (obv. The Streets' "Has It Come To This" is neither, but closer to oddly appealing garage-muzak).

If anything, the next wave of crews will have to be less monochromatic and more broad-minded than SSC to get the attention the latter have received for their novelty alone. SSC = inevitably perhaps too connected to a specific sound (he says without having heard the album). I think subsequent groups will have less difficulty avoiding this, and be less likely to do well if they don't avoid it - for a good example, see Pay As U Go's "Champage Dance", which swaps SSC-style tech-paranoia for some Oris Jay-style dancehall-latin-beats, like a darkside version of Wookie's "What's Going On" (more thoughts on some of these issues in a forthcoming article).

Tim, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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