― jess, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― dave q, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― richelleux, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
2) On the shift in cultural paradigm - absolutely and definitively yes. I bought a Sunship album from '98 and listening to it I was shocked to fully realise just how much UK Garage as a style has changed and pretty much completely rejected its origins. On Sunship's album the songs are basically Todd Edwards-style garage tracks with garage snare patterns and oddly programmed kick drums... which I had expected, but after listening to so much current stuff it was a shock to go back and listen to what was frontier stuff not too long ago. How we ended up with hyperspeed, agressive ravey UK hip hop with sharp post-Timbaland beats in two years is quite difficult to say. The difference between hardcore and jungle is actually smaller, methinks.
3) On its success - think of it as the urban black/underclass equivalent of Britpop (only not so backwards-looking, and reacting to US hip hop rather than grunge) - at once a strong pride in local culture and music and a yearning for close-to- home but charismatic supastars. Songful UK garage generally has better tunes, but O&N/SSC style stuff has more interesting personalities - perhaps the least "faceless" style to have arisen from within dance music ever? I also imagine that with US hip hop and r&b so technoid at the moment it's been comparatively easy for a lot of people to stylistically "jump ship".
― Tim, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Honda, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
1) relationship with the charts. These guys want to get paid enough to have hatas, and that's not gonna happen if they get too grimly repetitive - the kidz will stop buying them.
2) relative rinky-dinkiness of the music; strip off the rapping and a lot of this stuff isn't actually hard, just very cold-sounding (obv. The Streets' "Has It Come To This" is neither, but closer to oddly appealing garage-muzak).
If anything, the next wave of crews will have to be less monochromatic and more broad-minded than SSC to get the attention the latter have received for their novelty alone. SSC = inevitably perhaps too connected to a specific sound (he says without having heard the album). I think subsequent groups will have less difficulty avoiding this, and be less likely to do well if they don't avoid it - for a good example, see Pay As U Go's "Champage Dance", which swaps SSC-style tech-paranoia for some Oris Jay-style dancehall-latin-beats, like a darkside version of Wookie's "What's Going On" (more thoughts on some of these issues in a forthcoming article).
― Tim, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)