'phaedra' by tangerine dream is fucking awesome

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seriously, i love this

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What's it like? I've heard it mentioned like a million times as one of the great early electronic touchstones, but never got around to tracking it down.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

its like new age music, but totally cold and rad sounding

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

if that helps

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

totally

i mean if Gas - Pop can be compared to new age, maybe i can dig this too. hmm, maybe i'd even like "actual" new age, if i could get around the lame/flaky connotations of the genre title.

maybe not though. i probably won't find out soon.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it is great.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah this is definitely tangerine dreams finest hour. except for zeit maybe.

:| (....), Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the album that spawned a ton of bad 90s ambient-techno albums. you should check out 'rubycon', that one is even better. the dated arpeggiatiated bass-lines get old quick though (on both records).

contribute, Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

actually im so removed from most of that stuff it sounds fresh to me

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

right, and my saying it was a blueprint for boring stuff later shouldn't put one off on the original music though. "Sequent C" is great, really creepy. 'Rubycon' really has some fine moments, sometimes sounding like the music from Blade Runner.

contribute, Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah it definitely has that chilly futuristic thing going on

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it's their 100% great album. I think I'll listen to it right now.

(Jon L), Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I know this is going way too far, but can anyone talk me out of buying this?

(Jon L), Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jeez, shall I buy it instead? ;) That looks amazing (and sort of cheap to for 7 cds.)

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

from amazon review:
Simply put, this box set is the Tangs doing what they do

haha "the Tangs"

contribute, Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ok I bought it.

lo-fi audience recordings, this is anthropology. fanatics only, and I'm probably not a fanatic, but as the years go by I'm increasingly partial towards nearly all the 70's synth records, so it's interesting to hear the unedited tapes of TD playing pure formless wanky space music for 60-90 minute stretches to huge, maniacally cheering crowds. a lot of supposedly underground electronic still sounds like what these guys were playing in the Royal Albert Hall thirty years ago.

you can hear textures and sequences that ended up on the albums, but otherwise they're admirably live & winging it, even if the form is somewhat predictable; 10-30 minute mellotron warmup then turn the sequencer on for the next 20-60. large parts of set three ended up on Ricochet but they left off some of the best bits of burning brain.

set one the sequencer never turns on, it's just space. set seven's quite listenable.

(Jon L), Monday, 3 January 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Revive!

Listening to Phaedra today, your description really makes me want that, Jon.

$37 used on Amazon.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 2 August 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

haven't listened to it since posting that. maybe someday I'll check out disc one again.

these I like much better than anything on that box: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/02/tangerine_dream.html

Cologne 11.25.1972 - WDR-FM recording sounds better to me than any of their early studio records

Milton Parker, Thursday, 2 August 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Listening now to Cologne -- it is quite good, mos. def. Sound quality is ok, not great.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

I have this and have never listened to it. Now I will.

the next grozart, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:26 (eighteen years ago)

DL'd Rubycon, Ricochet and Stratosphere as well. Rubycon seems the strongest at first blush, tho moments seem directly lifted by the likes of The Orb.

Jon, I've only listened to some of Cologne -- do you mean you like it more than everything prePhaedra? I loved Zeit back in the day and am a little cooler to the space rock-ness of Atem and Alpha Centauri...

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

$37 used on Amazon.

Christ!!! I bought this for 4 bucks a month ago (at a very cool record shop in Northampton, Mass.)

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

and it is an awesome, awesome record. All those early-mid 70s TD albums are fantastic, I think.

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

oh sorry - I think they were talking about the bootleg album mentioned upthread as being $37, not the regular Phaedra LP

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

bought it for 2,50 in the used crates at my local record shop.

rizzx, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

I put this on the turntable the night I lost my virginity. She made me change the record.

Dan Peterson, Thursday, 9 August 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

movements of a missionary

bernard snowy, Thursday, 9 August 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

I put on Phaedra earlier this month and was pleasantly surprised - I've got a buddy that's a hardcore ACDC/hardrock/powermetal fan, but loves his TD - never saw the connection myself - but you know what? - In their own way these guys have the rock ...

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 9 August 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

seven years pass...

these guys musta had hella bad trips

j., Tuesday, 10 March 2015 17:02 (eleven years ago)

fantastic group/solo project

soyrev, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 17:52 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

Man, this is the saddest, loneliest thing I've ever heard

Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:15 (eight years ago)

it is so good

marcos, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

Zeit makes Phaedra sound like happy hardcore

Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:28 (eight years ago)

well timed revive.
due to the change in weather (TD are the perfect soundtrack to a dark and grey day), today i listened to rubycon, stratosphere, and encore.
and there is a very strong chance that tomorrow i will get the last of the virgin era releases that i dont have, thief.
also, somewhat tempted by the official bootleg boxset that i believe is a revised version of the boxset that jon links to further upthread.
but i am fearful of the recording quality for them, as i am not one for crowd recorded bootlegs to be honest.

mark e, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:03 (eight years ago)

Yeah I used to have actual nightmares about Zeit, I would be in a large brick made space that was very, very high, like a version of the turbine hall at the Tate Modern and Zeit would be booming out over a huge PA system attached high up on the walls and angled down, it was horrible.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:38 (eight years ago)

That's a nightmare?

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)

Thief / Tangram era is still good. Logos is the latest I've gone, is there anything worth hearing post-1982 or so?

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:34 (eight years ago)

Funny, I was just reading about this album. I guess part of its sound - or part of one song - had to do with the tendency of the temperature sensitive oscillators to go out of tune. Which is funny, because in that prog book I was just reading about Keith Emerson complaining about the exact same thing. He'd have to factor tuning his synths into all the other shit he had to do on stage.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:45 (eight years ago)

zeit, man, just the fuckin' cellos at the beginning

bob lefse (rushomancy), Thursday, 28 September 2017 01:30 (eight years ago)

after that not a lot - White Eagle, Poland, Green Desert (although that's reworked mid 70s stuff) and a track or two off Underwater Sunlight. The rest is extremely spotty to outright "why am I listening to this"

xposts to Matt

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 28 September 2017 04:39 (eight years ago)

was going to suggest White Eagle as well.
if you like Logos, then WE is totally in the same sweet spot.
been many years since i heard Poland (chrome long play cassette up in the attic), but i do recall loving it.
need to track down the proper reissue with the complete concert on it as opposed to truncated version.

mark e, Thursday, 28 September 2017 08:22 (eight years ago)

I love the Risky Business soundtrack sooooo much. What other Tangerine Dream albums (or bootlegs) sound like it?

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 28 September 2017 08:29 (eight years ago)

I remember quite liking Optical Race (from 1988) back in the day. Afraid to give it a spin in case my recollection doesn't match up to the reality.

heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 28 September 2017 09:07 (eight years ago)

also, if you like the more ambient side to mid 70s - early 80s sound of TD, then the solo albums by EF are an excellent addition to your collection for when you need more :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/1974-1983-Virgin-Years-Edgar-Froese/dp/B007JU5HSO/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1506589860&sr=1-1&keywords=edgar+froese

mark e, Thursday, 28 September 2017 09:12 (eight years ago)

Put that Froese box set on my wishlist, thanks for the tipoff mark e.

Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 28 September 2017 09:55 (eight years ago)

there are also a ton of boots of the soundtrack to The Keep, all of which are much better than the "Original Soundtrack" they released much later. If you like Logos, which the movie uses liberally, you'll want to check it out.

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)


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