xenakis = punXor?

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so, a full-tilt audition of "bohor" tonite by the big X got people banging on the walls telling me to "turn that shit down," etc. so could we finally just admit that the main thrillz of all this "modern composition" stuff is that it's basically a merzbow record on sony classical...the noize? does it really matter that he spent 11 months and 800 pages of trignometry functions to produce something which sounds like my trash disposal? i like it, love it, yes i do...but -not- for the reasons i'm "supposed to". does this make me a bad person?

― jess, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nb: yes, this is a bait. what you do with it is up to you.

― jess, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No good and bad. Just shallow.

(smirks)

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I kinda always found the methods behind those guys (Mr X, Stockhausen, Cage etc) more interesting than the actual music. The same goes for the more recent stuff mining the same vein of contemporary music theory (eg Oval/Marcus Popp). It may sound like noise but it's structured noise, even if it is generated in a random manner. It's a trait of most conceptual music that the ideas behind it are usually more interesting than the music that is produced. Raymond Scotts stuff strikes a nice balance between the two.

― david, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blink = pink = xenaxink = punk

haha i think yx's THEORY = more punXor tan his sound — show ANY TRAINED MUSICIAN a page of Formalised Music and they blench and then puke w.ph34r. Adorno sez (somewhere): "Waaah! I got on the musicwagon totally to escape maffs lessons, dude!! Fuck you and the logarithm you rode in on (etc)"

― mark s, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, an ear-splitting audition of "Bohor" at Night of the Living Drone cut a crowd of about 60 down to about 15 in under 8 minutes. So yeah, punX0r! Seriously, though, I think I get off more on the noize than the theory. Math isn't very punk (although I'm sure Mark S. will be able to somehow prove me wrong here! ;-), but "Bohor"? "Orient-Occident"? I concur--you can know jack-shit about theory and still be roX0red by these.

― Clarke B., Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so could we finally just admit that the main thrillz of all this "modern composition" stuff is that it's basically a merzbow record on sony classical...the noize?

Oh wait, we were pretending something else? Shit! I knew someone forgot to send me my part!

Actually, Xenakis kills Merzbow dead.

― sundar subramanian, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, Xenakis kills Merzbow dead.

i concur.

― jess, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, the CD version of "Bohor" is weird though. I heard the vinyl originally, and it is much scarier. To get the same effect, you have to turn the bass up as high as possible--then you get all the fucked- up sounding human screaming noises.

― Clarke B., Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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