Grime in 2005

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"I see the road to succes, I'm getting out of here / If you're patient we can all get out of here"*

Roll Deep getting out of... grime?

*) last line from rather ungrimy sounding Run the Road contribution "Let it Out".

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 1 January 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

W was about to start this thread!

I saw C-Mone vs Vertical at a big jungle rave this NYE, he was sorta technically good but whatevs, she was fantastic.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 1 January 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Can one actually buy records with bigname grime MCs over jungle rather than, y'know, grime? It seems weird if not.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 1 January 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

"Destruction VIP" is the first time I've heard samples used really effectively in grime in awhile. Kano disappointed me on this one, but it's still a hammer.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Saturday, 1 January 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, here's Dizzee's new "Graftin'" video.

― JoB (JoB), Sunday, 2 January 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

Or download? I mean, I'd love to hear Dizzee or Kano or Sov or someone at those speeds. do they just not do it at all? I am a grime fool, sorry.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 2 January 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Surely the big thing in grime in 2005 is this ethereal chalice of Mainstram Success? The thing that every MC bar Dizzee has been trailing for the last 12 months. I'm fairly sure the whole thing will go more pop, even if the Roll Deep album flops.

If someone else doesn't make it overground in the next year I fear the whole scene will be dismissed as irrelevant, or move onto something else. But at the same time, the only people I can see actually making an album are Kano and Lady Sovereign - partly because these are the two MCs I see with the biggest force of personality behind them. Lady Sov is the only grime artist I can envisage having a #1 in Britain, for example.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Matt - Random has the potential to go huge. really. I have seen how much it has caught on with people around here, and I am still in Scotland. I do believe Sov has an album out this year. Kano definitely does, as the press are all over it. Hopefully it will work out that Kano fulfills, and Sov surprises the lot of them. They both can accomodate a sound that if Dizzee can chart, they can, and have the delivery.

― 3underscore (___), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

I dunno matt, why does it matter if the whole scene is dismissed as irrelevant? by whom? certainly not people involved with it, the artists, promoters, shops & labels. it's stronger than it's ever been, the 2nd generation crews coming up now especially from the north west and south are like 13/14 year olds, unlike garage which was too exclusive in its champagne n strip club excesses there's more of a sense of a legacy being created if you know what i mean.

plus grime is pretty much single handedly pioneering the dvd game which gives it it's own unique outlet, i wouldn't be surprised if hotheadz or someone start making alot of money out of dvds soon.

i predict the mixtape game will escalate to us style market saturation, bossman of essentials will become the underground figurehead.

guns n roses i'm looking forward to like most people, but i think the best mixtape in early 2005 will be the looney tunes cd. also keep an eye out for the south collective foreign format who will put south london back on the map.

the big riddim will be gype riddim by imp batch, once mcs work out how to ride it properly. has anyone else noticed how it sounds like the busdriver tune from tony hawks underground 2???

― scg, Sunday, 2 January 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I dunno matt, why does it matter if the whole scene is dismissed as irrelevant? by whom? certainly not people involved with it, the artists, promoters, shops & labels.

I think it matters HUGELY to a fair proportion of the people involved. Which musician *really* doesn't care if their work is dismissed as an inconsequential footnote in pop history, especially if a scene is in its initial stages (which grime, arguably, still is, especially in terms of where it COULD go).

There's a sizeable commercial element in all of this and it hinges all on catching the dilettantes, the people who were turned on to Dizzee after the Mercury Music Prize*. This is where the real money and the success is, no matter how much the bloggers and specialists rate the music, its the bigtime success that really matters and even a novice like myself can tell how much the MCs want it and how this informs the entire genre.

*Has any one career ever hinged so strongly on one award? I doubt it. Would Dizzee have been any bigger than, say, Wiley, had it not been for that Merc award? Much of Showtime would have been hugely different. Would he have been on Band Aid 20? Of course not.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 3 January 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

how it sounds like the busdriver tune from tony hawks underground 2

haha TOTALLY

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blaze-live.com/LiveWebcam.php

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 January 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

xpost - it matters cos the scene itself and the artists within are all so desperate to blow up on a pop level. they cant wait to hit the top ten, something which in itself throws the whole grimy ethos into question. these guys arent trying to stay true to any sort of hardcore underground ethos - they wanna go pop.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 3 January 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

When is Guns N Roses coming out????

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 January 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

haha at the legacy being created by the next generation of 'youngas'. those kids are too young to be rapping. 90% of them are just terrible. i also cant imagine the lady sov tune random being too big if it has that literally phoned in verse from a jailed riko (i think im thinking of the right song). that just sounds ridiculously stupid!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 3 January 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Black Ops on Blaze-Live right now!

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

what frequency?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blaze-live.com
click Tune In for sound and visual

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

if you want to check out d double e riding some jungle on rinse fm go to:

http://ghettopostage.blogspot.com

grime will stay level on the underground as kano lady sovereign roll deep etc. blow up. i can't imagine that the further developing promise of $$$ evidenced by artists getting record deals will stultify the underground. the two aren't mutually exclusive. the pirate scene will keep on doing its thing.

maybe a lot of the youngas are shitty now but they'll improve with age.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

SLK's 'Hype! Hype!' is out on Ministry's "new urban imprint", the terribly-named Smoove Records on February 14th. Not really feeling it to be honest, but there's DJ Wonder remix with Lethal B on which is worth a listen.

― Jason J, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

hype hype is lyrically a piece of shit. great wonder beat though.

― hmm, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

What is the original track for "Hype Hype" again? It sounded very familiar when I first heard it. I may even have the record myself... Probably some Sticky tune on Social Circles.

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's a Sticky beat - couldn't tell you what though

― Jason J, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

am i alone in thinking that dubstep and the type of dubs that darkside plays on rinse fm is far more interesting than grime and is likely to remain so for 2005 (at least the first half)???

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

the sticky beat for hype hype is golly gosh 2 i think.

the wonder remix is off the chain.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

seems like the grime backlash is already kicking in, if only amongst media persons.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

TS how has the grime "backlash" begun in the media?

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

"seems like the grime backlash is already kicking in, if only amongst media persons."

Hahaha the biggest grime backlash I've seen has been from YOU?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

well maybe, if people laughing at Dizzee's line on Band Aid constitutes a grime backlash. otherwise, uh... not really, I don't think.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

""seems like the grime backlash is already kicking in, if only amongst media persons."

Hahaha the biggest grime backlash I've seen has been from YOU?!?! "

hahaha, true. im not the only one though. you could think of me as paving the way!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

"grime will stay level on the underground as kano lady sovereign roll deep etc. blow up. i can't imagine that the further developing promise of $$$ evidenced by artists getting record deals will stultify the underground. the two aren't mutually exclusive. the pirate scene will keep on doing its thing."

but i would think that if roll deep and sov and kano get success from distinctly non-grimy tracks, it will influence the underground to follow a similar route in order to get to their level.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Do you think Kano and Sovereign will go non-grimy for a shot at success? If they're following the Dizzee model it certainly doesn't seem like the way to go. And Shystie's less grimy (less grim?) work made about zero commercial impact. I think if any major releases move toward more hip hop tempos and structures it's a reflection of the scene as a whole rather than a shot as commercial palatability.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

kano's first single 'truly me' is good but isnt a grime beat in the vein of i luv u, stand up tall or any of the more garagey/grimey songs dizzee has done. its your basic rock-sample-infused hip hop beat. id prefer it if they put out what have you done or even boys luv girls but maybe those will be too weird for the mainstream. and doogz' new tune is basically a standard 'hip hop banger' one. sov's random isnt particularly special and is more hip hop too.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Is "P's and Q's" getting pushed as a single to commercial stations?

I'd be surprised if "Boys Luv Girls" gets rereleased as a single, considering it looks like it will end up on the album as a bonus track rather than a centerpiece.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

nah, ps and qs was a street release. i think truly me is the proper single.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Has Doogz ever really been "grime"?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

it "Typical Me"

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

its "Typical Me" even

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah, doogz was properly in boyz in the hood, did the radio shows and everything, eski dance, all that bollocks. spose he always had other plans though

― luka////, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

men in the street.

― scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

(can't remember if anyone linked it on other thread before)
watch the video for Kano - "P's & Q's" here:
http://www.ka-no.com/

― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

After watching the video, I think that Kano could sell ten times as many albums if he shaved off his attempt at a moustache.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

'hype hype's got that that big looming bladerunner-synth futurist menace that i really get off on, the kind that made its last appearance in 'shorty (put it on the floor)'

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

it seems i'm talking about the wonder remix. thnks luca's blog btw!

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

i know this is meant to be a positive thread about grime (so no hating) but i cant get into many grime vocal tracks aka grime songs. i actually seem to hate most of them. give me a tape of an old deja vu or rinse fm set though and im more than happy - a lot of these MCs seem to be better on pirate radio compared to recording in the studio. i could be wrong and completely misinformed though.

― goldie sovereign (goldiesovereign), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

i quite liked my mates joke about lady sovereign
'so is she named after the ring or the cigerettes?'

― l///, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I like Kano's moustache. I like the video too.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

woh! Scandalous feat Carly Bond and MC Purple - "My Life"
musically massive!

check it on Cameo's set:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tracklistings/piratesessions/piratetracks.shtml

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

has anyone seen GARAGE HITS 2005??? it has donaeo, lethal b and davinche and is mixed by cameo

― scg, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

where did you see that comp?

― ppp, Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

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I like RWD and Aim High 2 from this year.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 27 November 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

grime fucking sucks. not far enough from normal hip hop, crappy rapping, rubbish beats, idiots who dont know how to produce, repetitive MCing, kill this genre. maybe brits should give up rapping (except dizzee and a few others) or give up on trying to make hip hop tracks. stick to being the MC at parties and warehouse raves and things like that, guys - leave the rapper stuff to us americans. and dont try to imitate hip hop beats, do your own weird techno-y thing with it, it suits you better, no american rapper is gonna want to rap on a brit imitation of an american beat.

― grimeisshit, Monday, 28 November 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'm gonna set him on fire just like an arson / that will teach him for acting like an arson

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 28 November 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

anyone seethis?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

yeah not sure about that. good too see davinche get some props though.

in other news, has anyone got risky roadz 2 yet? i ordered it but dont know when it will pop through the door

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

wtf i just saw bruzas doing that classical thing!!! out of all the mcs, i would have thought he was the least appropriate?!

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

really they should have done that with DEXPLICIT

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

hmm 'stochastixx' could still be a good nomme du grime tho...

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone got risky roadz 2 yet?

No! I got a promo email about it, but Alex and my copies of the Rinse Sessions and the Statik record only just arrived yesterday! :(

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno why dubplate drama wasnt finally the skepta seinfeld-with-sawnoffshotguns sitcom we're all waiting for. here's the latest episode on the 'single' rmx anyway:

'she said wodja mean? / i said wodja mean wodja mean? / then she said wodja mean wodja mean wodja mean? / i said SHUT YOUR MOUT / about wodja mean wodja mean wodja mean YOU FOOL'

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

what's gonna be fun about risky roadz 2 then?

logan played some bits off aim high 3 on his last show btw, i think u can still listen to it. (sounded about as boring as aim high 2 to my earz)

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Do like Aim High 1?

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Do YOU like

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

more new dvd hype

i dont have time to watch it all!

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it was alright. wasnt doing backflips over it at the time as some may well recall but it seems a bit better in retrospect now. a bit. anyway i think about it.... like, never, so whatever.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

why do YOU like em

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I want more Essentials mixtapes and more albums like the Statik one, but I fear there will be more mixtapes like Doctors and more albums like Kano's. :(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I listen to the Kano album all the time, though!

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I even like Nite Nite! except for the Skinner intro

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I never listen to the Kano album (or the Lethal B record or the Roll Deep record.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

... glad we sorted all that out then.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mantlepies.com/chuckle.jpg

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any word on when or if the Ruff Sqwad and Newham Generals albums are coming out?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Martin has heard a preview of the Newham Generals album, I think.

― FiFi (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

There is a new Bruza mix CD. Anyone heard it?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

I donno I don't really have much to say because I am lacking VITAL CONTEXT in this stuff but "Rewind" was the best mix I heard this year.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

You mean the RWD Logan Sama one?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yes - loved that.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it just seemed a whole lot more diverse wrt sound throughout, hit all the BIG SONGS you want to hear and managed to work in some incredible R&B-ish stuff as well, so it reminded me more of an American rap DJ like Boolu master or something.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

bruza isnt out, to my knowledge. january now i heard. did u like his newest stuff?

likewise ruff sqwad are doing guns n roses vol 2 first obv. and the 'no base' riddim by ruff sqwad is terrific - sounds like dsouth xmas snowfall stuff! < / ghey >

ive liked everything i've heard of newham generals' album; if u add stuff like 'newham generals anthem' off lotd3 and 'prangman' there's like 6-7-8 tracks u could have heard by now. most have the same spare metal cricket chitin lurk of 'd double signal'; i think it'll be real album album interesting. maybe down to dizzee's exec production

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 17 December 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

so errr -

prangman +/- wiley rmx?
d double signal
newham generals anthem
war wid?
humpty dumpty
mic centre
scars (feat wiley)
mcs dont know

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 17 December 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

yeah u may as well just listen to http://logansama.blogspot.com/2005/12/tracklistings-16122005-skepta-guest.html innit, its not that difficult

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 17 December 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

"War Wid" still undisputed top tune of 2004 for me
(besides Zananga & Zaire "Real King", my ragga fave)

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

blimey uve a memory on u... err what ws that zaire, red alert riddim?

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

(i know i could google)

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Red Alert itis

also check Tugga War on Summer Bounce "Raving" ! redbullhypnoticandgirlsmisbehavin

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 17 December 2005 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the tip on the Logan Sama mix ... liked that first Kano track a lot.

― Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

er so.... risky roadz..... anyone got a tracklisting for the sparkie mix cd?

what on earth is the bruza track that comes in at track 5? its amazing! well the riddim is, its got this shrill brass stab and then laser sounds and a quasi icr rink type drum track.

any ideas?

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1AO4GIL4B2GTC01WWZNF83Y934

click on the link this has got to be the best grime track of 2005

― grimer, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

so much grime is shit
so so so so shit
how the fuck do you lot sift through it all to find the good stuff
cos most of it is shit
so so so so shit
my god its shit

― crackyouskull, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god so i downloaded that track. it sounds like a fucking hip hop tune. further proof that you lot so deeply into grime dont know shit about how to judge it. how can sniper make a tune saying people should play grime when it sounds like a hip hop track?! its alright, dont get me wrong, not a bad song by any means, but it could easily pass for a uk hip hop track.

― crackyourskull, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone see Ruff Sqwad at the whitechapel art gallery? Read a review of it yesterday grr!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 December 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

that gig was fantastic, but grime MCs should never go accapella cos then it becomes obvious they are waste

― crackyourskull, Thursday, 22 December 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

There's a great Plasticman set here - http://www.rootspeople.com/index.php?page=5

I didn't actually think I liked Grime/Dubstep all that much except on some level of appreciating it was out there, but not my thing, but this is sick so far. Not so alien either (parallels with hardcore/jungle are clearly audible)... perhaps it's the live mix but I'm not getting so annoyed by the thin software treble end of things as I do when... watching Channel U (lol me so underground ^_^) anyway.

― Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

I even recognised "Murkle Man" in there... that must be kind of an anthem I guess!

― Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

This is actually a small revelation for me! :-O
And yes, clearly I'm glacially slow to catch on. Oh well.

― Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus, why do people bother with soft-ass dullard "breaks" when there's this kind of evil electro-cuboid evil weirdness out there??

― Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.cyclelogicpress.com/images/PGFrontCovermed.jpg

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

daamn the pre-embed era so cold

wtf is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx64MXIuHgw

― unban dictionary (blueski), Friday, 14 August 2009 11:26 (fifteen years ago)

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