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where to begin with the daring, intense and brilliant sounds of dubstep?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

the rephlex "grime" compilations are a good start.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

thats nothing to be ashamed of. dubstep is great!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

the rephlex "grime" are fairly generic and uninteresting.

like most (all) that goes under then name of grime.

most overrated genre of 2004!

― xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

some dubstep is great though. i wish i knew clubs in london that played
that sort of sound!

― xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

"the rephlex "grime" are fairly generic and uninteresting.

like most (all) that goes under then name of grime.

most overrated genre of 2004!"

nah, it is overrated but theres some good stuff there. dubstep is generally the superior thing.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

you should go to the FWD club night that takes place at plastic people once a month.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Rebel Bass?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

i went to rebel bass once i think. it's the one near the angel @ elektrowerkz? music was good actually, but about 90% of the crowd male. i find that hard to bear. i shall check out FWD, given that i live round the corner!

― xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

but what is dubstep? i think of it roughly as the kind of music you get when you take UK Garage, slow it down a bit and remove the vocals.

right or wrong?

― xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Horsepower Productions!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

For starters: www.dubplate.net.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

That "Sholay" tune is good.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I wish dubstep sounded more like "Armani Versace vs. Mercedes Bentley".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

is FWD @ plastic people on this thursday? that club's website hasn't been updated for a while!

― xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

I think that's the one, I'll hook you up later today. It's all about the "Dub Plate remix".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

thanks!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

"Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?"

It is!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I like these records:

Toasty "the Knowledge" (Hot Flush)
Search and Destroy "Food Chain" (Texture)
Slaughter Mob vs. Search and Destroy "Saddam" (Soul Ja)

Check out the Search and Destroy pirate radio shows if you are in London, a friend hooked me up with a CDR of Dj Prior's set on there and it's really heavy, super cool stuff.

ps: people seem to be calling the above records/scene "breaks" (yeah, dumb name, I know) rather than dubstep proper, but anyway to my ears it sounds like slowed down (to 120 bpm) jungle purged of its breakbeats but with those heavy heavy basslines, ecstatic/dark strings, and vocal/percussive tidbits getting tossed into ominous delays and reverbs. In other words, menacing and rad.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

search:
tnt vs outlaw breaks "nissi"
plasticman "shox waves", "hard graft", "venom"
benga "skank"
bionics vs slimzee "capsule"
b jammin "tonka (menta remix)"
jon e cash "war (vip mix)" (well he calls it sublow but whatevs)

destroy:
horsepower productions, zed bias and any other lightweight wine bar shit.

― scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

i dunno actually some of those are probably considered 8 bar tunes, not sure. lol @ "daring, brilliant, intense"

― scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

why is that lol-worthy? its a tad pretentious i admit.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Are they really playing Horsepower in wine bars?

I don't think I've ever been to a wine bar.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

maybe not winebars. maybe coffee tables.

― scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

but a lot of dubstep is too dark to please the coffeetable crowd, even if horsepower might do.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I went to a wine bar in NYC with some ilxor's in September. I think they were playing Duran Duran and Journey!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

also re: "Armani Versace..."

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

I have to disagree. The arrangement is much more whacked out whereas Horsepower is almost nu-jazzy - although maybe it's because I only listen to the dub (can't remember the a-side mix at all).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't think of Horsepower Productions as being jazzy or winebar-ish. Perhaps I'm not listening right. I do agree that Versace dub is more weird-y than most of HP's work.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Even the most recent album? Also, the samples would likely preclude winebar play!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I'm basing this ENTIRELY on their first album and associated singles. I didn't buy the last given the spate of negative reviews.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I actually liked the second one when it came out, but I haven't returned to it. I certainly wouldn't give it a "negative" review. It wasn't very innovative I guess.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

dubstep... money... don't make me laugh!

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't consider dubstep to be a subgenre of grime.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

it isn't. it dates from an earlier strand of garage. dubstep started when El-B and Zed Bias built on Groove Chronicles (which El-B was part of) and Steve Gurley productions.

This is was the beginning of dark swing. As the Groove Chronicles' "1999" and El-B/Ghost's "2000" suggest, these predate the Pay As U Go /Musical Mob strains of dark garage that grime evolved out of in 2001.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

no Forward in january i dont think
this is the line up for the next 2 months

February - Scientist, Youngsta, J Da Flex & mc Crazy D
March - Plasticman, Kode9, Wonder & mc Crazy D

― Jon B, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

the more I listen, the more I think Plastic needs to leave. Plus he is pretty shitty personality wize.

― i am right (cs appleby), Sunday, 30 January 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

Find threads from I Love Music, subject contains 'grime'.

72 results found:

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

update update ppl

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

new in dubstep worth checking:

dj younsta - dubstep allstars volume 2 - features the massive neverland coming to vinyl on DMZ005 soon - also includes a variety of forthcoming hotness

DMZ004 - Coki - officer &

N-Type - Square Off

the new one from D1 (SOULJA008)

the utterly essential HYP003 - kode9's Kingstown

Benny Ill vs Dinesh & Mark One (VEHICLE5)

very old now but dub child's - voodoo tears it

plus many others - excellent period right now

check mr blackdown and mr dusk's keysound radio mix

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I got some of those off you!

And jed sent me Kingstown. Dusk and Blackdown's Keysound mix is REALLY good.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Myke you are saint. "Kingston" is really good Prince Far I redux.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah myke thanks for letting me leech offa you like a...leech.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I like rap grime and dubstep grime too.I favorably reviewed the first Rephlex comp in Voice, haven't heard the second. (Even if they were hopping on the grimewagon by calling dubstep "grime," not like they were detracting from rap grime's American hits, cos there weren't none). "Slowed-down jungle" is a paradox, but one that this comp usually uses well, along with others. (Although the first couple of tracks are closer to regular-speed jungle, which may be one reason they aren't as good as the other tracks.)(Not that I don't like regular-speed jungle, sometimes, but these initial tracks aren't good at that approach.)Dubstep on this Grime comp is literally grimey at times, but fun: like joyriding a forklift around in a warehouse you are visiting. (I'm *told it's fun.)

― don, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

i thought ilm didn't give dubstep any love? :)

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about ILM but I'm coming round to dubstep.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still pretty ambivalent, but there's certain stuff I love. It's hard music to love unless you are going and dancing to it, I think.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Or you could get stoned and listen to Keysound Radio on headphones.

I guess....

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

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someone in my building is listening to dubstep.

― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)

Scuba - triangulation album is the bidness !!!

― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

This Pinch FACT mix is fantastic.

http://www.factmag.com/2010/07/05/fact-mix-164-pinch/

Tracklist:
1. Bass Clef ‘Promises’ (Peverelist & Appleblim remix) (Dubplate)
2. Emika ‘Double Edge Sword’ (Pinch remix) (Ninja Tune)
3. Skream ‘Amitystep’ (Dubplate)
4. Mala ’2 Much Chat’ (Dubplate)
5. Jack Sparrow ‘The Cahse’ (Tectonic)
6. Pinch ‘Midnight Oil’ (Pangaea remix) (Dubplate)
7. Dubkasm ‘Hail Jah’ (Jakes Remix) (forthcoming on Sufferer’s Choice)
8. Jack Sparrow & Ruckspin ‘Dread’ (Dubplate)
9. WAX20002b (Pinch remix)
10. Jakes ‘Time Ends’ (Tectonic)
11. Mala ‘Eyes’ (DMZ)
12. Distance ‘Ill Kontent’ (forthcoming on Tectonic)
13. Jack Sparrow ‘Terminal’ (Tectonic)
14. Red Light ‘MDMA’ (Dubplate)
15. Joker ‘Output 1-2′ (Tectonic)
16. Skream ‘Phatty Druma’ (Dubplate)
17. Pinch ‘Elements’ (forthcoming on Swamp 81)
18. Goth Trad ‘Sublimination’ (Dubplate)
19. Distance ‘Reboot’ (Dubplate)
20. Pinch ‘The Boxer’ (forthcoming on Tectonic)
21. Pinch ‘Swish’ (Dubplate)
22. Mala & SGT Pokes ‘Answer Me’ (Dubplate) (Tease)

― errant flynn, Thursday, 8 July 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.myspace.com/modestep

'live dubstep'

haven't seen a show yet and not sure how the concept works, do they really play those big basslines live or is it backing track stuff with a singer? Dunno how much of a novelty thing it is. Remember seeing some live dnb once that was great maybe could translate.

― owenf, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

jojo mayer is doing this now, of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hQ992Ekcm0

― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 17 September 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

winter nights/early mornings are the ideal time for dubstep (even here in sunny south florida).

i've been in kind of a dubstep rut. darkstar -- to the extent it was dubstep at all (and i don't think it was) -- seemed undercooked to me. anything new and interesting out there?

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 November 2010 12:12 (fourteen years ago)

Darkstar was okay, not something I'd want to hear all the time. I'm enjoying James Blake's stuff, the new Horsepower Productions, that thing Scientist did where he dubs up tracks by Pinch and Jack Sparrow.

― The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Saturday, 20 November 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

is this the scientist disc?

http://extramusicnew.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/scientist.jpg?w=300&h=295

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 November 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

'cause i notice two covers. the one from the emusic link looks like this one (rather than the one i initially posted above):

http://static.boomkat.com/images/388729/333.jpg

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 November 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

It's two discs i think. One with the original tracks and the other with the dubs.

― Number None, Saturday, 20 November 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago)

yeah I think the package comes with both sleeves... I know the 80s Scientist artwork is like uber-classic but the two above just make me feel nauseous. Album is OK, not brilliant

― an exciting but non-alcoholic beverage (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago)

are earlier scientist discs "uber-classics"? i like some of his stuff, but never ever considered it on the level of, say, king tubby or scatch perry.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:08 (fourteen years ago)

Scientist *artwork*

http://www.crestock.com/uploads/blog/2009/reggaecoverart/1982-Scientist-Scientist_wins_the_world_cup.jpg

(this^ owns though even if it's not a gamechanger per se)

― an exciting but non-alcoholic beverage (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

"are earlier scientist discs "uber-classics"?"

They are really good, yeah (agree they are not really game-changing though). And artwork is def. amazing.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

scientist rids the world of the curse of the vampire is uber classic

― The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago)

I'm glad that The Wire is covering Shackleton a lot recently. I really like his stuff.

― jeevves, Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

he's kinda scaring me with the gregorian chant though

― moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Most of you already now this by now, but Scuba - Triangulation is seriously the bidness!

It's actually kind of ridiculous how amazingly well this album flows. It manages to listen like a masterfully well sequenced mix; this makes me all the more excited to see him play here in a week!

― EDB, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

The remix disc isn't bad either

― Number None, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CgT4N0zU1M

― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah I just got the double CD pack. Shall be listening to the remixes later. I've just heard the Deadbeat one thus far, but it's good.

― EDB, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

this is actually a really good mala interview. maybe the best out of the ones ive read this year (much better/more specific than the one on factmag). i like him more after reading this.

http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/feature/little-white-earbuds-interviews-mala/

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

The new LV album's got a track called "Northern Line" which I'll never be able to get out my head when getting on the tube.

What you know about Kings Cross??

― Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)

DESTROY IT ALL

― frogbs, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)

The Hotflush compilation is quite good, the growing ubiquitous of clubnights playing lolstep in my area not so much

― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

+ness

― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://gotsars.com/images/384cdf0a024c703fa22778c7ed43f4c2.jpg

― sam500, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 08:58 (fourteen years ago)

that is every kid in Hitchin

― broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:02 (fourteen years ago)

sans cat of course.

― broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:03 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

DESTROY: http://www.nme.com/news/korn/59480

― Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:01 (thirteen years ago)

probably the first dubstep song i ever liked. \o_o/

― crutbeef (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:27 (thirteen years ago)

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/705/779544flvej5.gif

― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 September 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2012/silkie-and-quest-dubstep-allstars-vol.09.jpg

5/5

― the late great, Sunday, 2 September 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago)

Can't wait to get this, even though I've heard the Quest tunes a billion times before and the last Silkie album underwhelmed me. These two together are straight fire.

Vahid did you ever hear their Uprooted live set from like 2008? One of my favourite sets ever.

― Tim F, Sunday, 2 September 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago)

<3<3<3 Silkie

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago)

yes and i liked it

it's going to sound corny but this is like the jacob's optical stairway of dubstep in places

― the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago)

they are synth wizards

― the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago)

Yeah Jacob's Optical Stairway are a good comparison.

I think also Bugz in the Attic at their best?

― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 05:35 (twelve years ago)

A POX of this vibe (across sub-genres) would be interesting.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:28 (twelve years ago)

i'm working on one but i think LHF would be up there too

― the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago)

sorta think LHF are too good-but-boring?

― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 09:45 (twelve years ago)

you heard this yet tim?

IT IS SO FUCKING GOOD

― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago)

I just nabbed it today!

― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago)

good, cause it's good

― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago)

<3<3<3<3<3 this

― tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago)

damn I was just thinking today how Silkie and sully are really the only dubstep I f/w. gotta check that out.

― blank, Thursday, 13 September 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0RX5Nvd62k

― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 July 2015 21:04 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

Ruff ruff ruff
Beats beats beats

All Loefah DMZ tracks on his Bandcamp now.

― I've got my bidet and my pills (Noel Emits), Monday, 23 March 2020 09:43 (five years ago)

two years pass...

So, the new Skrillex with Fred Again song actually sounds like dubstep for once.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 January 2023 04:06 (two years ago)

Also revive to post one of my favorite dubstep tracks of all time:

Milanese - caramel cognac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0KTKlCQTjE

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 January 2023 04:07 (two years ago)

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