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How come "Finally" by CeCe Peniston isn't on anybody's perfect songs list? Really, now.

John Darnielle, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i dunno john, cuz it sucks? ;)

really though, explain what you see in it. unless its just one of those "if you hafta ask you'll never know" things.

jess, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For the same reasons that Crystal Waters' "La Da Dee (She's Homeless)" isn't within spitting distance of such accolades.

David Raposa, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dave yr obviously insane.

(like i'm taking dance music advice from some guy who didnt know who the bellville three were. sheesh.)

jess, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Like I'm gonna listen to a guy that likes DISCO (which, of course, refers to 99% of the folks on this board).

David Raposa, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To return to the *original* question -- "Finally" may well have reached the reason for its existence in the great performance scene at the end of The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. For that reason alone it deserves praise. :-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bad scansion. FinalLY. My feeLIN'S. Also, the "just cannot" in "and I just cannot hide it" smacks of a desperate attempt to fill up the right number of syllables. Imperfection! Imperfection!

Douglas, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually John's right: "Finally" is brill. But the Crystal Waters song to pick is *surely* "100% Pure Love". I mean, come on people.

Tim, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, yeah, that song's fine. The homeless peeps one, though, is bunk. She's just like you & me? Um, sure, thanks for souring my butt boogie with your half-ass attempt @ social conscience. (It'll be rockist of me to note that Smart Went Crazy makes this point more pertinent in a much better song, but I'll note it anyway. Con Art. Pick it up NOW.) PLUS, the "dow dow" (as in "la da dee dow dow") is out of her singing range.

And, for the record, the only disco I hate is bad disco (that is, disco I hate). WARNING: The only version of "Love To Love You Baby" I have heard is performed by No Doubt.

David Raposa, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Douglas - so Madonna gets to say "An' I fee-uhl" in order to fill out a four-beat line with three syllables of content, but CeCe doesn't get to bite down hard on the ultimate "-ly"? For shame, man, for shame.

John Darnielle, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, how come nobody ever points out Conor Oberst's eight-times-per-song changing-the-pronunciation-to-fit-the-rhythm habit? I thought nobody else gave a rat's, but evidently I'm wrong.

John Darnielle, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Laetitia Sadier does that too in practically every Stereolab song, but I think most forgive her because she's French.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, I think Conor gets people going, "Oh for cute!" at him a lot, which seems to forgive sins in some quarters.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Brian -- Laetitia's French-ness gives her an honest-to-god excuse. Romance languages -- French in particular -- are syllabic, not accentual, so the placement of stresses isn't as beholden to any "proper" qualities of the words themselves. Sadier just carries this over into her English lyrics.

What interests me is that Germanic languages are accentual, and so English, as a Romance / Germanic hybrid, is both. (Compare Sadier with Valerie from Lali Puna with, well, English.) Despite imperialist explanations being more obvious, I really do think this has something to do with the dominance of English-language pop music. Actually, a more reasonable way of putting this would be that r&b or rock&roll vocal styles could not plausibly have ever originated in France, since they're so dependent upon working with both the syllabic and accentual portions of the English language.

That said, "Final-LY" has never bothered me in the slightest -- the phrase is sweeping up and exploding, in a sense, and it would sound pretty disappointing if she just trailed off lamely at the top there.

Oberst's mispronunciations (which I'd never noticed before) can never challenge the Ramones' "Texas Chainsaw Massacree," which surely excuses pretty much everything from there on out.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 1 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe that's why the Germans make such wicked industrial music, too-- the stress on the first syllable of each word really drives the beat home (or something). Is it any accident that Frenchmen--Debussy, Satie--developed the wispy, nebulous, non-accent-heavy genre of Impressionism, whereas Germans have traditionally made more rigidly accented music? How does the Basic Channel school fit into this? Hmmm, I'm not sure I like where this is heading, but it's at least pretty interesting.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i. john is so right with this question.

ii. "massacree" means something, i'm just not sure what.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i'm with john on this as well, finally is a good song, very new york i feel...

gareth, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with John, too and with Dave Popshots--I aways think of Cece Peniston and Crystal Waters together. And remember Uncanny Alliance? "I Got My Education" and "I'm Beautiful Dammit"? Yay-NY early 90s.

Arthur, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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