Dance music in the city vs Dance music in the suburbs

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I am almost a hundred percent certain that no-one in my stretch of the woods would "get" let alone dance to microhouse (anyone normal that is), people much preferring some bloodclaat jungle techno. It always confounds me how big this and more subtle/slower versions of dance music (Grime/Electroclash/House) are in the city.

Why is this?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 6 January 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

What about dance music in the country?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Grime and electroclash are subtle?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Equally the notion that microhouse is "big" in London (I presume this is the city you're talking about), is a curious one.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Compared to bloodclaat jungle techno, yes. I think Grime is breaking through into the suburbs. Head out of London and everyone's into Gabba and D'n'B though. As for the country - Psy-Trance is where it's at.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

that's odd because microhouse is to big mental club house/electro/techno what 'artcore' was to jungle...yet Hertfordshire was the capital of artcore

Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

The suburbs will rise again. You mark my words. And what a grand old show it will be.

.adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

mind you when i think of microhouse i never think of clubs full of people dancing (immediate examples in my head being Luomo's 'Synkro' and John Tedaja's 'Faux Obsolete')

Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Equally the notion that microhouse is "big" in London (I presume this is the city you're talking about), is a curious one

i take it to mean that Mayer will play Fabric but would never play Swindon's Brunel Rooms (does that club still exist under that name?)! whereas a DJ like Hype or Bryan Gee or Andy C will and do play every city in the country. Mind you they're British and that's undoubtedly a factor.

Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Geeta wrote something about microhouse in Indiana that seems relevant here:http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com/blog/archives/00000353.htm

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

This is funny, too, because while I will happily walk down the dystopian, violent, apocalyptic streets of Boston, MA while listening to poundin' techno on my headphones, out in the country I only feel like listening to microhouse. Except for Herbert, which = the city.

mrjosh (mrjosh), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Depends where you live. Wasn't uk hardcore "the sound of the suburbs"
for minute (aka suburban bass?). I think that only applies to London area though.

At least where i'm from, in the US, alot of the raver kids are (were) from the suburbs, although the promoters and djs tend to be kids from the city proper.

Geoffrey Mark Maddock (cutups), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

i live in a suburb

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

but if microhouse isn't big in the suburbs it's probably cos the people there are not in tune with anything which isn't several years old, haha

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

it's because students live in the city, not the suburbs, y'all.

Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 7 January 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

mind you when i think of microhouse i never think of clubs full of people dancing

Maybe that's why I'm not getting it on the whole. There's the odd track I like but when I listen to dance I automatically imagine it in a dancefloor context i.e. "Would people be 'avin it to this track if I played it at a party/rave/club?". Maybe this is a side of dance I don't get and why I don't really get albums like "Homework" and "Advance"... Dunno, just a thought?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 7 January 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there lots of grime activity in croydon? But maybe Croydon is big enough to count as a city in itself, rather than as a london suburb.

Also, Swindon is not a suburb, but a self contained city. What you are saying is 'in larger population areas, you are more likely to get a wider range of music', which seems pretty obvious to me.

Robin Goad (rgoad), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

re the brunel rooms, it still existed about 3 years ago when i went there. if i remember rightly, it had a revolving bar, or was that my imagination?!?

Robin Goad (rgoad), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

The Pinefox has a song about Croydon. It takes place at Easter. It comes from an album about 'the provinces.'

youn, Friday, 7 January 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

"Would people be 'avin it to this track if I played it at a party/rave/club?". Maybe this is a side of dance I don't get and why I don't really get albums like "Homework" and "Advance"... Dunno, just a thought?

surely that depends on what kind of party/rave/club it is and what the crowd are like? much of 'Homework' totally rocked big London clubs (probably not suburban ones tho ha). 'Advance' was never intended as a record for clubs on account of the majority of it is ambient home/travel listening. microhouse as a genre seems split between those two functions, for me - but then so was 'artcore'.

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

it had a revolving bar, or was that my imagination?!?

no it did

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

The Pinefox is making grime now???

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 7 January 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

when i moved to london i thought everyone wd be into grime and microhouse (or whatever) -- but oddly enough they ask things like 'who did that "run" song?' and 'are scissor sisters gay?'. so, you know, it's not all that bleeding edge after all...

henry miller, Friday, 7 January 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

"The city" is a red herring surely. I live in a mid-sized UK city (Cardiff) and if you're talking US/vocal house, big name d'n'b or hard dance then that'll likely pack 'em in. Anything else pretty much relies on luck, good promo and the way the wind is blowing. We might be putting Viris Syndicate on next month and I've no idea if anyone is gonna give a flying fuck

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 7 January 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

jesus, anyone who thinks big cities are not better for music has never tried to put on something new in a small one.

it's impossible, the price you'd have to pay for a DJ which nobody in Dublin would bother their ignorant ass going to see just prohibits certain gigs, of course you can have certain age old trusty DJs 5 times a year no worries.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 7 January 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

70% of the people i know who are into "micro"house and grime are from the suburbs. like, 2 out of 3.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 7 January 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Shouldn't this thread really be about London vs everywhere else in England? Cos a lot of it doesn't, I think, necesarily apply elsewhere. In Australia the only clubs that play non-top 40 dance music at all are either city or inner suburban, and then there's no necessary correlation between proximity to the central business district and the style played (most of the trance and d&b nights are in the center of the city, house/techno evenly spread).

The people I know who are into trance or d&b are into those styles almost exclusively. Maybe in the UK suburbs the scarcity of choice encourages an obsessive/focused approach to clubbing, whereas the sheer variety and choice of clubs in London would draw more people to that set of loosely related styles in the "center" of dance music (ie. house, techno and its related sub-genres). It's difficult to imagine someone being heavily into microhouse who wasn't also or previously into house and techno and so on, so it favours the "eclectic" listener as opposed to the monoscene firebrand.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

"01 intro
02 augustus pablo - park lane special
03 congo natty - rastafari he liveth in me
04 congo natty - police in helicopter
05 max romeo - chase the devil
06 prodigy - out of space
07 beastie boys - intergalactic (prisoners of technology mix)
08 shy fx - the wolf
09 jon b - blandwagon poos
10 sesame street - pinball tune
11 deerhoof - shadowy rainbow milky rain
12 marc smith vs safe n sound - identify the beat
13 andy c - bodyrock
14 thomas krome - wood carver
15 chris the liberator - one night in hackney
16 praga khan - injected with a poison
17 drugface - fill me with drugs
18 dj tim vs lock and load - access ya mind
19 deepack - prophecy
20 bad manners - can can

This is the last mix I played at a house party in North Herts. I think if I'd played this at a party or club in London it would've been shut down. Last time I tried to drop any electro or microhouse at a house party, I was instantly asked to play hard and faster.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Last I tried to drop any sort of dance music at a house party, everyone stood around nervously until someone asked me to put on more Nelly.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I slipped in the Tiefschwarz remix of "Kinda New" at a hipster house party in Silverlake (in amongst things like Khia, Rapture, Franz Ferdinand, Terror Squad etc) and it went over pretty well. The trick is that *you* are responsible for leading the dancing! Also, turn the lights down.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

ha ha none of my friends are hipsters, closer to hippies mostly. Only my closest, most infected-by-my-influence friends don't feel self-conscious dancing to hip hop that isn't like Jurassic 5 or something. Although with all the Mexican music I'm listening to at the moment I'm starting to feel a stronger bond with them.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Last time I tried to drop any electro or microhouse at a house party, I was instantly asked to play hard and faster.

these sound like very crusty parties dude!

my friends are not hipsters but I am not always playing at parties where all the people are friends or known to me either, often they are just randomers, on NYE I think people were too fucked to ask to play harder or faster, though the Superpitcher MFA remix seemed to go down quite well.

My friends who are not into music sometimes say "something not so deep, please" and I then carve up their bodies and empty them off a cliff. Well, not really, I usually hand them the ipod and let them put on what they want.

I sometimes point out how they used to ask me to play old stuff before they got into the newer stuff they like aswell.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 8 January 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Last time I tried to drop 'Revolution 909' at a house party, I was instantly asked to play hard and faster.

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Saturday, 8 January 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

And I think "hardness" is fairly subject to opinion, I don't think it's an issue of microhouse and electro being safe or something, on the contrary the whole techno/dnb thing has a fairly big hegemony at random house parties.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 8 January 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I don't know about crustiness or anything - I think a lot of the people who went were indie and rock kids who also happen to like this kind of vibe as well. I don't really know a whole lot of people who would happily sit through a microhouse set is all.

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 8 January 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

the only good suburban club experiences i've ever had were a couple of nights in St Albans around 6 years ago - both pretty big beat, as was the trend at the time - good set by DJ Onion Belt

Stevem On X (blueski), Saturday, 8 January 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

actually that night at the Brunel Rooms was good too ('97) but drum n' bass all night long could be such a chore (esp. hearing 'brown paper bag' seven times in one night)

Stevem On X (blueski), Saturday, 8 January 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Who plays pure microhouse sets these days apart from Akufen anyway? I mean, I can pretty much agree with Dog Latin, I can't imagine a house party with wall to wall Perlon going down awfully well, but I don't think this ever happens at London house parties either (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 9 January 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

steve u need to get yrself down to visage, jarmans park (aka "wallyworld") hemel hempstead. thurs nigth is student night, no dresscode, bud for £1, fri and sat dress sexy, there ethos next door for the older more discerning clubber. all yr funky house and indescribrable Ministry compilation floor fillers in Visage, and all the tunes you loved from the 70s at Ethos. Macdonalds is open outside if you want to get stabbed need a late night snack!

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

sounds wicked geez i heard there were nuff fit girls there

Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

i have actually been to Visage. the only highlight was dancing to Van Helden's mix of Nu Yorican's 'Runaway' and also 'Encore Un Feu!' by Sash! before it was a hit. then i lost my cloakroom ticket and couldn't get my coat back. great days.

Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)


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