Singers affecting vocal traits...and what have you.

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Inspired by debden's post in the "Joanna Newsom's voice sounds like...?" thread...

I find the idea interesting that singers can or could choose to affect a voice / style or not. And I'm not saying Joanna Newsom's vocal delivery is affected. Frankly I have no idea whether her voice naturally her or not.

I mean, I realise it is perhaps part of a performers role to be in character, to entertain first and foremost as part of his/her job, but at what point to (pop etc) singers decide to affect a voice or style rather than just open their mouths and go with what comes out?

PiersT, Friday, 7 January 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

(her voice IS naturally her or not.)

PiersT, Friday, 7 January 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Gwen Stefani to thread

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 7 January 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

A lot of British singers affect American accents when singing, to the extent that a recent (Scottish press) feature on Sons & Daughters talked about their 'Scottish-accent vocals'.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

lionel richie-all night long. I don't think he is jamaican

lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Shaggy, when not doing his Rent-a-Shabba faux-dancehall schtick, sounds distinctly American.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

What about the voice of Geddy Lee? How did it get so high? I wonder
if he talks like an ordinary guy?

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 7 January 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

mammasaymammasawmammakoosaw

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

How about the (word)-uh people?

Mark E. Smith, M. Doughty, James Murphy...

Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

"I WENT TUH SCHOOOOL WITH 27 JENN-I-FURRZ-AH".

Classic.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Tangential to this: I was recently watching one of the SNL discs where Belushi is imitating Joe Cocker and Joe Cocker himself comes on stage and they do a song together. What's up with Cocker's stage manner? If it was involuntary and due to some nerve or muscular malady, he certainly was a good sport about it.

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 7 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Supposedly Joe Cocker's stage movements were some kind of Stevie Wonder tribute.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

you're a vegetable and they hate you you're a vegetable

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

We were watching a clip of an American audience singing "Creep" back to Thom Yorke onstage, and we wondered what it would it be like to hear one's song sung back to them in a different accent by a thousand people.

Then we wondered what Green Day must think when they go to England and the songs get sung back to them in their native accent.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I've been thinking about the whole putting on a singing accent thing and you're all absolutely right - it's mainly with accents that some vocalists "affect" a style or sound. You know Mick Jagger and Van Morrison doing an American accent. Steve Kilby from the Church doing faux British new wave. Bob Pollard in how he used to go for a more British accent etc...

This seems to bother some people immensly, but I've never really taken issue with it and just gone along for the ride. Probably because many Australian artists will generally (even subconciously) pick a UK or USA accent and these days we seem to increasingly notice that even less. It's like there must be some amorphous parallel universe of singing where it's totally OK to sing in a different accent than whatever's native to you. A global melting pot where anything goes. But the consensus also follows that don't you DARE SPEAK in that different accent or you'll be branded a charlatan. Kind of answering my own question!

So is that it? What about beyond the actual accent? When artists (possibly) affect a style. Joanna Newsom? Kate Bush? Tom Waits? Nick Cave? Does it bother you? I'm kind of reaching the conclusion that singers can do whatever the hell feels right, and if it sounds good, then I'm there. That's entertainment.

PiersT, Friday, 7 January 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

I never heard the British accent in Green Day's vocals. Stive Bator of the Lords of the New Church (and Dead Boys, obv.) is however flagrant guilty of affecting a Britaccent.

Oh, and has anyone mentioned Madonna? Granted, she didn't sing with one, but for a few years, she augmented her speech with a British accent.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

all singing is an affectation. this is a pointless question.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Shakey OTM. Folks, it's called PERFORMING.

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

I hate it when American drummers drum like Brits. So annoying. Why don't they just do what comes naturally?

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

AFFECTATION
1. A show, pretense, or display.

a) Behavior that is assumed rather than natural; artificiality.
b) A particular habit, as of speech or dress, adopted to give a false impression.

2. A deliberate pretense or exaggerated display.

We've all been duped!

But I know what you mean. Carry on to other threads - nothing to see here.

PiersT, Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

I never heard the British accent in Green Day's vocals.

I haven't either. My guess is Pleasant Plains meant that English people would sing Green Day songs in an American accent.

Stive Bator of the Lords of the New Church (and Dead Boys, obv.) is however flagrant guilty of affecting a Britaccent.

Sorry to be so pedantic - the name is actually spelled Stiv Bators. Haven't thought of him/them in a long time. I don't think I ever actually heard the Dead Boys, only read that was the name of the band he was in before the Lords. Enjoyed a few Lords of the New Church videos. Can't recall what the accent was like either way.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 January 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

It's called a type-o. Correct me on an obvious point again and taste hellfire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 January 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, we just ran out of coffee here.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 January 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

some of the early detroit techo bods (eg juan) are also flagrantly guilty of affecting a Britaccent.

xenografia, Saturday, 8 January 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

My guess is Pleasant Plains meant that English people would sing Green Day songs in an American accent.

No, I did mean that Green Day's fake British accent would be sung back to them in their "native" accent. Green Day (well, Billie Joe Armstrong) has been affecting a faux British accent since they were on Lookout. It might not be a particularly good impersonation of the dialect, but it's what they're going for.

Green Day's british accent.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't it be great if singers who sing "Cookie Monster" style actually talked like that in real life?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I always thought it would be funny to see Brian Johnson in an interview and have it turn out that his speaking voice is exactly like his singing voice (i.e. he would talk lik Rusty the Tin Man from "Tales of the Wizard of Oz").

Pangolino again, Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

We're back at Geddy Lee again, aren't we?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

some of the early detroit techo bods (eg juan) are also flagrantly guilty of affecting a Britaccent.

Makes sense, seeing as how they grew up listening to Depeche, Smiths, New Order, etc...

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 8 January 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Alex. And if I'd been there, and had any coffee I would have shared it with you. Then I suspect we would have gotten completely wired and practiced affecting the most ridiculous vocal traits we could come up with.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 January 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't it be great if singers who sing "Cookie Monster" style actually talked like that in real life?
True story: Offstage, the lead singer has a sweet, rather 'fruity' mid alto-voice. He goes onstage, says "Hi!" to the crowd, the band starts playing, lead singer audibly clears his throat and then...C IS FOR COOKIE MUTHAFUCKA!
Granted it was a 4th rate gothy black metal band... but I wasn't expecting the singer to be gothy offstage and black metal onstage.
Weird.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 8 January 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't it be great if singers who sing "Cookie Monster" style actually talked like that in real life?
-- noodle vague

noodle, it may amuse you to know that some of them do at least do the Cookie Monster between songs. There is a live set by Marduk (I think) where the vocalist's between song banter is something like this:

Cookie Marduk: 'You want to hear some unholy satanic black metal???'
Audience: (inaudible)
Cookie Marduk: What???!???
Audience (inaudible)

(bands slams into next first song)

You can fuck with God, but never fuck with the laws of stage patter.

thee music mole, Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Are you guys for real that you can't hear a British accent in Green Day songs? Listen to "Longview" again, particularly the pronunciation of "close my eyes".

Geddy Lee's speaking voice actually does strike me relatively high, heavily enunciated, and a little nasal. (He kind of sounded like he was affecting a British accent on "Closer to the Heart" though.) Especially the delivery on some of the later stuff like "Dreamline" is probably not all that far removed from his speaking voice. Jon Anderson's speaking voice sounded just like his singing voice to me when I heard him introduce songs on TV.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Billie Joe actually seems to switch to the UK accent for the chorus of "Longview" but I don't know if that's maybe just a type of American accent, listening to it now. That's how it sounded to me when I first heard it but I'm not sure at all now. Some of the vowel sounds on Ramones songs sound a little unusual to me too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

britt daniel & stephen malkmus to thread.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Always struck me that Billie Joe was affecting that Cali-retard cadence that Leonard from the Dickies sings with.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 January 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

And the next time I threaten someone with a luncheon of hellfire, there's a very great chance I'm not being entirely serious. Apologies for any misconceptions.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 January 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I'm starting a band called Lunceon of Hellfire. Come be a rock star!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 January 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Always struck me that Billie Joe was affecting that Cali-retard cadence that Leonard from the Dickies sings with.

Yep, that's what I think too. It's really more of a valley-boy twang.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 9 January 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

With Scorched Corpse on vocals, BBQ'd Innards on guitar, Broiling Gonads on bass, and Billy Brimstone on drums!

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 10 January 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)


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