"Woebot retiring was like the Beatles splitting up, that ILM is somewhere between Exile on Main Street and Goat's Head Soup"--Simon Reynolds on blogs and ILM

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What do ya think of this:

"Woebot retiring was like the Beatles splitting up, that ILM is somewhere between Exile on Main Street and Goat's Head Soup,
and that MP3 blogs were like glam'n'glitter--high on flash, short on substance. Gutterbreakz being one of the rarre glorious exceptions, of course--the Roxy Music of MP3 bloggaz, perhaps. Hats off to Nick, and applause for his decision to go less frequent and (even more) in depth."

Simon Reynolds at blissblog

― steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm slightly confused. (For one, glam has so much substance that it's almost nuts!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

blissout.blogspot.com/

Here's more-"Simon Silverdollarcircle while back concurred with my "bloggworld, it's like the 1970s innit" quip, albeit praps only to big up beyond the implode and kid shirt as "the punk revolution come to shake us up" (personally I'd say Captain Beefheart and Sensational Alex Harvey Band respectively, maybe). Well all I meant was that there's a vague disquieting entropic feel of fatigue and fragmentation about while also still being a lot of really good stuff being done. But that got me thinking again, being a freak for making rockhistorical parallels with absolutely anything, whether i could map out the current state-of-bloggs as really being rock-Seventies-like. All I could come up with though, was that Woebot retiring was like the Beatles splitting up, that ILM is somewhere between Exile on Main Street and Goat's Head Soup,
and that MP3 blogs were like glam'n'glitter--high on flash, short on substance. Gutterbreakz being one of the rarre glorious exceptions, of course--the Roxy Music of MP3 bloggaz, perhaps. Hats off to Nick, and applause for his decision to go less frequent and (even more) in depth."

― steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:18 (twenty years ago)

Okay, that helps a bit more with the context. Still, that's a received history isn't it? And a Brit one at that, obv.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Ned! Did you get my e-mail? I need yer address again cuz i lost it. I've got music to send you. For real!

Sorry, continue. simon, blogs, mp3s. grime, etc.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Dismissing glam as being short on substance seems kinda proggy, or even uh that r---ist word. Oh my! The author of the upcoming book on postpunk saying that...

You can move the Brit boy to NYC, but you can't take away his union jack biases. More than a bit self-congratulatory, unless I'm missing the humor...

I like Exile...

― steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Ned! Did you get my e-mail? I need yer address again cuz i lost it. I've got music to send you. For real!

I did! Check your mail, sir. Also, I listened me to some Bunnybrains at last and I was the happy. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Whoa, which one of us is Mick Taylor?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

i love simon cuz he mentioned nitro deluxe on oone of those recent (long) dance threads and it was one of the only songs i had even heard. i iz a childe of da 80's, i guess.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

can i be bobby keys? he got to sit back and enjoy the ride.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Quite clearly I'm Suicide (synth-goth, yay!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

So is Woetbot's current chat space, Dissensus, like the Plastic Ono Band or like, um Wings or something

― steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

I didn't get an e-mail, ned! i dunno what happened. can you try again?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

haha more like somewhere between she's the boss and primitive cool

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

Hahah

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

E-mail sent, Scott

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

*massive generalization alert*

If blogs are generally heading away from lengthy, in-depth analysis and more toward shorter, conversational passages and mp3 sharing, then ILM is actually somewhere between "Black and Blue" and "Some Girls". We're entering our punk years.

A better 90's example would be Suede in the late summer of 1994. "Dog Man Star" is out, Bernard left the band a few months back, and Richard Oakes has just joined and will help to deliver "Coming Up" instead of "Dog Man Star: The Revenge".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

blogs and chatboards=CNN or whatever Chuck D. said...Ha Ha

Who's the token Sly Stone...

― steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

dj rupture!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

kind of unfair to post the title and first post like they were anything more than the goofs he explicitly posted them as, don't you think?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

MP3 blogs were like glam'n'glitter--high on flash, short on substance.

Fluxblog = Bowie, then. And I call dibs on being Sweet!

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

Does this make Josh Blog Elvis Presley? I kinda like the idea of being Jerry Lee Lewis myself.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

That means you're the corrupter of your cousin, Tim. (would your cousin mind?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

Corrupter of cousins in the metaphorical sense maybe.

"Corrupter of Cousins" would be a great album title I think.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

mark s = eno?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, was Mark always looking for a certain ratio and was nothing there that time?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

I like how he only mentions british acts (Except Beefheart, who might as well be from mars).

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

"I like how he only mentions british acts (Except Beefheart, who might as well be from mars)."

Well he only mentions british blogs yeah?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

blissblog is fast becoming the "thick as a brick" of music blogs. in every sense.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

Matos is Lou Reed! Jess is Jonathan Richman! Geeta is Patti Smith! Matthew P is Todd Rundgren! Can I be Ric Ocasek? Or at least the Knack?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I'd rather be the Knack.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

hee-hee-hee

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

i'm derek bailey, obviously.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm Eddie Provost. I have my reasons.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

I'll be Focus then.

― Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

Nnn. I'm a bit suspicious of Simon Reynold's dismissal of mp3 blogs. Accessability and concision need not equal a lack of substance. The long-winded, esoteric music blogs that he favors are more like prog; mp3 blogs are more like DIY/punk.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure that he meant it as a pejorative. mp3 blogs are more of a service industry than anything to do with diy/punk. anyone can post mp3s. it's why you post them and what you do with them once you've posted them that requires art and skill, in that order.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

The Tofu Hut is dense with substance and almost entirely lacking in naval-gazing. It is eclectic, experimental, political, and community-minded. Maybe it's The Clash circa Sandinista.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

fair comment on tofu hut; that's why i keep it linked. but elsewhere there seem to me to be an awful lot of angelic upstarts to wade through.

the current state of blogs (at least from a uk perspective) is actually more comparable to the state of print fanzines circa '85/6 - the post-punk context had gone and fanzines had more or less degenerated into glorified shop windows/resumes for people wanting to get on nme/maker/sounds rather than something that people HAD to write.

the glaring exception to this rule in '85/6 was monitor, but of course i would say that...

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

That's a pretty good way of looking at it, Marcello.

I don't really keep up with a lot of the other mp3 blogs other than to monitor some of the more popular ones to make sure that I'm not running the same records. I try to keep that to a minimum.

I barely read even half of my blogroll. I tend to stick to the blogs on the top of the list, which are mostly non-mp3 and more writer-driven. I get emails all the time from people asking me to take down the links to the non-mp3 blogs, which I think takes a lot of gall since the links are there primarily for my own convenience.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

the paradox here, marcello, is that i generally find people who think they HAVE to write pretty unreadable. the self-absorbtion and utter irrelevance and to anyone but the writer puts me off. give me someone who does it for money and is actually good at it any day.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

comparing blogs/bloggers to legendary pop musicians...hmmmmm...cute? gutterbreakz is my favourite mp3 blog too tho

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

xpost (by the way that isn't any kind of spoiling for a scrap coz i'm not actually thinking about you. for what it's woth, though you place yourself in this category, your music stuff really works for me)

― stelfox, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

YES EVERYTHING EVER IS JUST LIKE PUNK.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

Woebot retiring was like 5ive splitting up, that ILM is somewhere between 'Genie in a Bottle' and 'Dirrty',
and that MP3 blogs were like Electroclash--high on flash, short on substance. Gutterbreakz being one of the rarre glorious exceptions, of course--the Scissor Sisters of MP3 bloggaz, perhaps.

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

woebot = Michael Jordan
gutterbreakz = Charles Barclay
stelfox = that huge Lithuanian guy

now which of one you wants to fess up to being Shaq?

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

OTM. Alas, I don't see ME getting anywhere. Then again I'm not English/good. ;-)It reminded me of Stevie Chick who, if I remember correctly, stated he wrote his fanzine as a resume to get into NME (and of course did).

Woebot retiring? Sort of like me: I think he'll soon come back to his blog - remember woebot txt? I don't mean this as a bad thing. I'm the Tom Barman of blog: I always come back but with a different group/name. ;-)

Not too fond of mp3 blogs myself (sorry!). It just doesn't seem to *do* much for me. It seems to easy (to post an MP3). I like it better when there's a lengthy essay/review attached to it or if it's a mix.

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

get ready for the forthcoming reggaeton mix nat! and thank fuck no one called me rodman

― stelfox, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

i totally recognise the 'style over substance' argument re mp3 blogs, but still consider them a crucial source generally. one question is whether it's wise to try and marry the two or just accept that keeping the two separate may work better.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

i just think there has to be some context. mp3 blogs are fine as a practical resource but if that's all you are going to do with a blog then essentially we're talking about a bootleg version of amazon. my own interest, as a reader, lies in the stories of the bloggers themselves and how the music fits into their lives, or vice versa.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

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Byron Crawford is Rick James

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm STILL not Lou Reed, btw.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

fine your David Thomas.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

no, I'm Todd Rundgren.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

(I just *look* more like Thomas)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

Now I'm just humming "Non Alignment Pact"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Revisiting my previous post, I'm pretty sure "Teenage Rampage" is a good description of my posting style. That and "No You Don't".

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

If blogs are like bands K-Punk is like Yes circa "Tales of Topograpic Oceans". As in prog as fuck.

-- hector (hector233...), January 12th, 2005

hahaha OTFM!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Matos should be Frank Black. That's a pretty good halfway point between Dave Thomas and Lou Reed.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 13 January 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

they're all three pretty sour guys from most accounts, though, and I'm not very sour! I'm a pretty friendly person, in fact. that's my only real beef w/the comparisons. (hell yeah I like being compared, in blog terms, to the guy who led one of the greatest bands ever!)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Dave Thomas from Wendy's?

or the guy from Pere Ubu?

― hector (hector), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

I actually like this statement, because the Beatles breaking up was the best thing that ever happened to music, and it makes me hopeful for the future.

Not that I hate the Beatles, I'm just saying that shit had run its course, okay?

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

But that means all bands over eight years old have run their course too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

No, I mean the Beatles in particular.

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 13 January 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

where are the mp3/critical discourse de pop blogs from Serbia-Montenegro, Kuwait, Malaysia, Argentina, Haiti or Senegal at incidentally? i like the idea of them, and that extent of reading about the authors lives and relationships with their music, because it is foreign, to me.

Patience, sir; patience. People forget that this particular renaissance has only been on for just over a YEAR now. January 2004 saw about TWELVE musicblogs. I daresay we're closing in on about a thousand that post pretty regularly now. We got an AVALANCHE of hip hop over the past six months as people discovered U Send It and at least one good Senegal/Blues/Bubblegum/VideoGame/Jazz blog all round.
2005 should see this get even FURTHER out of control. I expect Google to offer five gigs of hosting by 2008 and just as soon as they do, it's all over. Everybody and their friend has access to their own radio station.

SURE, wading through it is going to be a pain in the ass but cream rises. In the meantime, you'll get thousands of different ideas and opinions and the music to boot. Skip over the hundreds of POD and seek the Fela and you'll do fine.

Thanks for the kind words Matt; I don't FEEL glam.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 January 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

What is this thread about? Seriously.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 13 January 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

reynolds getting tangled up in his early '70s analogies

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 13 January 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

and rather laboured ones at that

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 13 January 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

"somewhere between Exile on Main Street and Goat's Head Soup"

http://media.musictoday.com/store/bands/1664/product_medium/0JCD01.JPG

ilm in 09

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 16:59 (sixteen years ago)

otm

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:01 (sixteen years ago)

that reminds me of a long-disappeared woebot bit, a fake history of the rolling stones that started with that album and went backwards, really funny shit

― goole, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

haha more like somewhere between she's the boss and primitive cool

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:30 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

― goole, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

ah. xpost.

http://liveaid.free.fr/rewind/bbc/images/047dancing/03.jpg

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

I used to have a green shirt like that. Anyway, let me know when we get to ILX's "Freejack" era...

― snoball, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:07 (sixteen years ago)

I thought we were in this phase:

http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/images/RuthlessPeople.gif

― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)

more like
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1275/1139796591_6075606a4c.jpg?v=0

― velko, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

the gabbneb ban and the return of cankles is a bit like the stones making a better-than-expected album in 1989

― ramón gastro (omar little), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

It is a clear-eyed and inspired King Boy Pato who crafted Cape Of Good Hope, an insuperably strong board that in time may well reveal itself to be a classic. World, meet King Boy Pato, solo artist.

JANN S. WENNER

― DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/nineteen.jpg

― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

personally i'm feeling a little more this era these days
http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1225308980_long_ago.jpg

― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:31 (sixteen years ago)

ban mick jagger

― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:32 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.raw-tcsd.com/RStones.Jagger.JAP.3003.jpg

― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

"Be primitive. Stay cool!"

― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

It's the Mick-Taylor-Really-Feeling-The-Music,-Man Era

http://image57.webshots.com/757/7/93/92/2502793920039519518JYZLpd_ph.jpg

― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:36 (sixteen years ago)

[the gabbneb ban and the return of cankles is a bit like the stones making a better-than-expected album in 1989

wait, has gabbneb been banned again?

― Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:39 (sixteen years ago)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/44/003_102dalmros.jpg

― DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006TV1HKQ

― buzza, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 06:19 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.factmag.com/2012/01/09/the-art-of-70s-rock-gatefolds/

― buzza, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 06:35 (thirteen years ago)

Will probably read that book, but will also be shaking my head at the b&w, CD size illustrations.

― Rapper rejoins fat man's co-op (NickB), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:17 (thirteen years ago)

i never realised before this thread that john forksclovetofu was john tofuhut

― thomp, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:08 (thirteen years ago)

hm, think i will listen to 'goats head soup' tomorrow, but not to 'exile on main street'.

― t**t, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

100 Lost Rock Albums From The 1970s is a great piece. Well worth the $2.99, though the cost will be multiplied when I start buying stuff I hadn't heard yet.

Props to him for taking it that much further to an ebook! This might inspire me...

― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:34 (thirteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://music.woebot.com/

pretty cool imo

― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)

had no idear he was making tracks

http://soundcloud.com/woebot/the-riddle

― goole, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)

http://blissout.blogspot.com/2012/05/hallo-hallo.html

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...