― deej., Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)
What Williams and Walker understood then and what so many black performers have come to realize since is that white mainstream interest in blackness is often predicated on their belief that what they are consuming is "authentic,"
The main question I have is why is this? I guess I need to read more post-colonial stuff, but I'm thinking psychoanalysis would help too.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― deej., Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)
God, minstrel performers were pretentious.
― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)
― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)
Now, if Lil Jon felt the same way, that there was so much more he wanted to say but that the racial dynamics of the marketplace prevented him from doing so, then MAYBE you could make a case for minstrelsy. But he's apparently just a guy cooking up some cool pop tunes and living like a pop star, so I don't get the problem. And I don't know why I'm trying to make this writer's case for him.
re: white people desiring "authenticity" from black entertainers - I'm fairly confident a lot of this stems from the white community realizing that the great mediator between them and black people (ie, the insitution of slavery) set up all sorts of weird and ugly social dynamics that would predicate black people behaving in a specific, "unnatural" way when white people were around. And so white people would be curious about what black people were "really" like, what they did when they were among their "own", etc. Add some "forbidden fruit" psychology and the tantalizing appeal of the unknown and there ya go... -- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), January 12th, 2005.
That's really interesting. Could part of it also have to do with white guilt, and a belief that if black people were "themselves" around you, then they thought you were OK?
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)
It's a good point, but ... nobody thinks LL Cool J is "authentic" when he rhymes about being tough, and he's still popular.
Also, "stop fucking with me" (dunno if that's the right title) from Crunk Juice gives pathos.
― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)