Drivin' and Cryin' - Dammit Someone Not From the South Must Like Them

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I perpetrated a search like all good ILMers should before creating at thread, and all I found was this:


Ned says "Between them and Drivin-n-Cryin and sundry other yawnfests, Athens could have been bombed out of existence after the B-52s left town (and maybe REM was on tour) and I wouldn't mind much."

Nitsuh, on a thread asking about why so many people are so ridiculously devoted to Dream Theater when he figured they were more of a "Yeah, they're okay" band, says this: "I thought the same thing about Drivin' and Cryin', incidentally, until I met some people from the South"

Aaron A lists Drivin' and Cryin' on the History has erased them thread.

And Igor puts Drivin' and Cryin' doing "The Passenger" in the Dream Cover Versions thread (which, now that I think of it would totally fucking rock).


I recently found a sealed copy of the original pressing of Scarred But Smarter (the one on 688 rather than Island) for like $2 (yes, yes, I know there's a joke to be made about whether or not Drivin' and Cryin' sucks, but depressed pricing of rarities is one of the few great things about liking a band that's largely overlooked, isn't it) and as a result I have been revisiting all their records (except for the almost completely abysmal Smoke) and Kevn Kinney's two solo records.

Now, I grew up in Nashville, and bands from Georgia were staples coming through our local scene, so I had the opportunity to see Drivin' and Cryin' live at least 10 times, and I can honestly say they were one of the better live bands I've ever seen. (In fact the Essential Live album is a very good chronicle of this unlike some let-down live albums that just don't capture bands well at all.) Nitsuh's comment above mentions the regional devotion to Drivin' and Cryin', and I think it's highly likely that this is directly related to the number of people who had the chance to see them live.

When I did the bulk of my listening to them, I hadn't yet learned to play the guitar nor was I nearly as interested in recording from an engineering standpoint. (I recorded a lot of stuff then, but the idea of "getting great tone" on some instrument pretty much meant nothing to me.) Now that I've become a hopelessly typical guitar-related gearhead, I'm finding all kinds of new things to listen to on these records. For example, the drums sound kinda dated in that no-punch, clicky late 80s/early 90s style, but the guitars on Fly Me Courageous are just perfect for the songs, and I had forgotten how much these guys can rock.

So, beyond the simple S/D, I am interested to hear how many non-Southerners ever gave a shit about this band and why. As for the simple stuff, easy: Search Scarred, Whisper Tames the Lion, Fly Me, Wrapped in Sky and about half of Mystery Road. Destroy "Straight to Hell."

I know I can't ask anybody to refrain from just saying "they suck" and not expanding their argument, but if you're gonna do that please at least do it with style. You know, the way Alex in NYC berates bands he doesn't care for... that's style.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Ned... Drivin' and Cryin' are from Atlanta, not Athens. ;)

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't expect this thread to really take off, but dammit Ned I'm calling you out!

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck Klosterman gave Fly Me Courageous some love in Fargo Rock City. Fargo's above the Mason-Dixon. Haven't heard them myself.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to dig these guys and im a yankee boy. build a fire comes to mind but i cant remember other titles

kephm, Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

ned otm.

sorry, martin. i got suckered into drivin and cryin during the athens hype fest. dull dull dull.

john'n'chicago, Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No need to apologize to me. I'm not personally offended if someone doesn't care for them.

Did you read the whole thread, though? They're not from Athens.

Sigh.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i got suckered into .38 special during that whole athens hype fest.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved Drivin n Cryin. But I'm from The South so I gues it doesn't matter then...

Molly, Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah. i know they were from atlanta, but they got bunched in at the time.

personally, i'd rather listen to .38 special.

john'n'chicago, Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

.38 special > drivin n cryin for me too

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

.38 special was pretty decent! at least the album I have (the one with "Caught Up In You" on it). Haven't listened to the other one I got for a buck yet.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I got no beef with .38 Special, although I do think this is turning into a pretty regionalist joke.

I guess I should set my watch now for the Lynyrd Skynyrd reference.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

drive-by truckers are from athens!

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

But they post-date the hype.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"Between them and Drivin-n-Cryin and sundry other yawnfests, Athens could have been bombed out of existence after the B-52s left town (and maybe REM was on tour) and I wouldn't mind much."

Ned, what about Pylon? Or (more recently) Five-Eight?



It's been years since I've heard Scarred but Smarter and I can't remember it and I only remember a few of their singles and now goddamn it I've got "Straight to Hell" stuck in my head. (However, I'm Southern, so my opinion again doesn't count.)

You know, "Straight to Hell" will probably be what I sing if I end up a wandering homeless person with my brain hopelessly damaged by drugs and/or booze.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 16 January 2005 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I won't venture a guess as to what Ned thinks of Five-Eight, but they too are from Atlanta rather than Athens, and to my knowledge they were never associated with the Athens scene given that they're more recent and that they never actually ended up on a major so there was very little if any promotion of them outside of the Southern circuit. (Hell, they weren't even particularly well circulated in Nashville even though it's the closest large city to Atlanta.)

Five-Eight is an odd one too in that they're not a particularly Southern sounding band, mostly because Mike Mantione is originally from (I'm pretty sure upstate) New York and from what I understand he was not an early transplant to Georgia.

Also, Five-Eight rocks a good bit more consistently than Drivin' and Cryin' IMO. They are a hell of a live show as well.

I know what Ned will say about Pylon though. Or at least I can hazard a pretty educated guess...

martin m. (mushrush), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? I saw Five-Eight open for Mike Watt in November and they claimed they were from Athens (and on the Hoot Page site Watt said he remembered them from being in Athens).


Hmm, I'm not sure what he'd say about Pylon. Do tell...

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 16 January 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was excited about them circa Fly Me Courageous when I also thought the Black Crowes were good. Not later.

Kevin Kinney could be a good songwriter - I remember I was even more interested in his solo stuff. But I recall the guitars getting in the way. And maybe he's not really that good a songwriter.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 16 January 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

remember: there's no I in team, or Kevn

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 16 January 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

oh. now I like him less.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 16 January 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

they opened for REM when I saw them at the Wang Ctr. in Boston, they were okay but overmatched

I sold MacDougal Blues even though I actually lived on MacDougal Street

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 16 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Drivin' and Cryin' >> Tora Tora

Tora Tora had better album art, tho'.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 16 January 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh. now I like him less.

Don't hold it against him that his name is spelled funny. His mom is (or was) an "artist," you know? Far as I know he was named Kevn with no I through no fault of his own.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 17 January 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

Really? I saw Five-Eight open for Mike Watt in November and they claimed they were from Athens

Ooops. Yes, Five-Eight is from Athens. For some reason I've been under the impression that they were from Atlanta for some time now, and I just spouted off before doin' my homework. ;)

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 17 January 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

I picked up that same version of Scarred But Smarter for a couple of bucks at a junk shop in Brooklyn. I think it was like a dollar or something. Anyway, I liked it a good bit. It sounded kind of urgent if I remember correctly.

danh (danh), Monday, 17 January 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

"honeysuckle blue" is a good song.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

oh but i'm from the south too.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

For some reason I've been under the impression that they were from Atlanta for some time now, and I just spouted off before doin' my homework. ;)

Therefore we are even.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Dude, it’s okay if only people from the South like them: that makes them yours! Seriously, embrace that. It’s like your secret Southern thing, you know, where you all appreciate the evidently-subtle ways in which Drivin’ and Cryin’ do not suck, and you can snicker at the rest of us for not understanding.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Kentucky is a border state.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:28 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
OK, I like Drivin' and Cryin' and am a Georgia transplant (20 years in GA following 9 in WI and 6 in MA). Kevn Kinney, like Mike Mantione and all the members of REM, is not a native Southerner. His first band was the Prosecutors, a heavily Ramones-influenced band from Milwaukee.

Jon Hope (jarge), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Not from the south. Found 'Wrapped In Sky' for a few bucks years ago...

...on one of my several, "Dammit, I should listen to one of these CDs I put in my shelves that I've never heeard ever..." things, I gave it a few spins. You know what? There's three or so AMAZING songs on there! Don't know anything else about 'em, but, you know, thought an honest, nonasshole response would do nicely.

John 2, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

My favorite DNC release is "Smoke," their most rock/metal/loud moment for sure. The song "She Doesn't Wanna Go" from that album made it onto many mixtapes I made at the time, a locomotive that doesn't stop chugging even after it careens off the rails. I always felt that the band never sounded much like that before and anything like it since.

One time after seeing the band play the Cat's Cradle in Carrboro, NC, I ran into some of them when their bus stopped at the same place for gas as I did. Mentioned to Kevin Kinney that "Smoke" was my fave and he smiled and said, "They love that one in Germany..."

Anyway, I came unto this thread for the following press release stuff:

"In an effort to release Drivin' N' Cryin' music while it's still fresh and new to both ourselves and our fans, we have partnered with our good friends at Redeye Distribution to release 4 EPs over a 12 month period beginning June 12, 2012 [on the band's own New! Records label]. This first EP, 'Songs From The Laundromat,' contains 5 songs reflecting the rock side of DNC. EP2, 'Songs About Cars, Space and The Ramones," will showcase songs from the secret landscape of the American psyche. EP3, 'Songs From The Garage,' will harken back to DNC's punk roots. EP4 - well, you'll have to wait and see!" - Kevn Kinney/Drivin' N' Cryin'

http://www.drivinncryin.com/bio/

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:43 (thirteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Scarred But Smarter - Drivin N Cryin Film Documentary
gets World Premiere at Atlanta Film Festival March 22

We're very pleased to announce the world premiere of Scarred But Smarter (life n times of drivin n cryin) on March 22, 2013 at the Plaza Theatre in Atlanta, GA during the Atlanta Film Festival.

Almost 3 years in the making, 'SBS' tells the story of filmmaker Eric Von Haessler's personal discovery of legendary Southern alternative rock band, drivin n cryin during their 25th Anniversary Tour. Exploring the questions "why did it take me 25 years to discover this band and their incredibly deep catalog of albums?" and "why is this not one of the biggest bands in the world?", Eric discovers that this leads to even more questions.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 22:58 (twelve years ago)

I remember seeing one of their videos in the late 80s on MTV amidst various generic hair metal bands... I just lumped it in with all that stuff. I'm getting the impression from this thread that this is not what they do.

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 23:36 (twelve years ago)

They were lumped in with them during this period:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6kplh51lPg

Their biggest hit but not really indicative of their sound as a whole. For that album and "Smoke," they let AC/DC into their Southern roots rock. They happen to be my favorite things the band has done, but I like bombast in my music.

I often wonder if Rick Rubin coulda made them huge like he did when he helped push similar rock sensibilities were infused into The Cult.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 23:58 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

RIP Buren Fowler

death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Sunday, 9 March 2014 06:23 (eleven years ago)

Oh shit, for real? RIP

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 9 March 2014 06:30 (eleven years ago)

six years pass...

mother america is brandishing her weapons

mookieproof, Sunday, 25 October 2020 03:04 (five years ago)

four years pass...

I wasn't paying attention when this tribute comp came out a couple of years ago but it's an ongoing project and a lot has been released since. There's a couple playlists on Spotify but none totally up to date.

Plenty of great versions of songs I don't remember or never heard. Gotta go back to the originals, I guess.

His first band was the Prosecutors, a heavily Ramones-influenced band from Milwaukee.

With, I just learned, Brian Ritchie

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Tuesday, 7 January 2025 18:58 (one year ago)

For those who still haven't fuckin listened, here's some basicsplaining---my ca.'08 preview, when they were coming to Columbus OH:

Drivin N Cryin'
Friday @ Headliner’s
“There’s always a chance/ To get restarted/To a new world/New life/Scarred but smarter.” That last line is the title of Drivin N Cryin’s 1986 debut LP, and its sudden final twist still sums up (and still sharpens) DNC leader Kevin Kinney’s outlook. Not that Kinney settles for summing up, especially on DNC’s new Great American Bubble Factory. Past the first two, somewhat impacted tracks, Kinney and co-founder Tim Neilsen drive their cussin’-and-discussin’ Southern alt-rock quartet, under thunder, lightning, and eerily clear night skies.

dow, Tuesday, 7 January 2025 21:04 (one year ago)

damn an extra comma

dow, Tuesday, 7 January 2025 21:05 (one year ago)

Columbus local music writer in 2008?
Shit, I have to know you. Sorry I don't from your user name.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 January 2025 01:43 (one year ago)

You hired me---I enjoyed your posts about the record store you ran etc., and you mentioned being a music editor, so I contacted you---thanks again! don

dow, Wednesday, 8 January 2025 02:10 (one year ago)


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