The Smiths are reuniting

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apparently six figures each member.

Sheila Takeabow, Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

mmmm.

is it 1 April already ?

or is there proof of such historic events ..


mark e (mark e), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

No, you'll have to try harder than that...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

this is with holly johnson on vocals, right?

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

ok, i'll bite.

GIVEMEDETAILSNOWORISHALLSMITETHEEWITHWEAPONSFORGEDFROMSTEEL

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

seems reasonable.,

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

"apparently six figures each member."

Unfortunately it's somehow accidentally slipped Morrissey's mind to mention to Andy and Mike that the figures they've been offered are in Japanese Yen, while the figures he and Johnny Marr have been offered are in GB£ Sterling....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

1 million pounds each. apparently, this was a proposal from either Joyce & Rourke or Gannon & Rourke! Although I would guess the former. I still can't believe it myself, especially given the bitter lawsuit and all. Then again, I think all but Morrissey may be hungry, possibly on the edge of starving now, not so much Marr, as Joyce, Rourke, and Gannon.

Sheila Takeabow, Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

"1 million pounds each. apparently,"

[a sad, tedious, pedantic accountant writes]:

That's seven figures.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Have you seen the rythm section recently? They are in no way starving

Hey Dudes, you should check out some o dat Phil Collins dat be da fly shit dat n, Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

If Morrissey's hungry after the year he's had, it can only be cuz he's EATEN TOO MUCH!

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be that surprised if it ever happened cuz Morrissey's whole shtick is about scratching away at old wounds in that sour old way he always had. He was always about the past. Grist for t'mill innit?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

yep, morrissey really must be on his beam ends living in clark gable's old house in hollywood.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

At this moment Martin Rossiter is sat by his phone waiting for it to ring. Waiting, waiting, waiting...

David Merryweather (DavidM), Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only one fed up with reunions?

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

i wouldn't mind the original scritti politti reuniting!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Is that CD out yet? I saw it in the 'pile' that is the first page of the Mojo reviews, but no review inside...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

I would rather not go
Back to the old house
I would rather not go
Back to the old house
There’s too many
Bad memories
Too many memories
There...
There...
There...

When you cycled by
Here began all my dreams
The saddest thing I’ve ever seen
And you never knew
How much I really liked you
Because I never even told you
Oh, and I meant to

Are you still there ?
Or... have you moved away ?
Or have you moved away ?
Oh...

I would love to go
Back to the old house
But I never will
I never will...
I never will...
I never will...

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

Or,

"Oh I won't go and be in that band again
but I'll have a cup of tea with you johnny
And it's OK if Andy and even Craig are there
But Mike's still overdue a slap with a wet slipper..."

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

the scrit early album comes out on valentine's day, but rough trade already have copies in stock.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
Re-evaluate the songs
Double-pack with a photograph
Extra Track (and a tacky badge)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

they should ALL come and play at the winchester club!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 20 January 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

At this moment Martin Rossiter is sat by his phone waiting for it to ring. Waiting, waiting, waiting...

Hahah. Hey, it worked for Ian Astbury.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

When was the last time Green Gartside performed on stage?

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

the scrit early album comes out on valentine's day, but rough trade already have copies in stock.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...) (webmail), January 20th, 2005 12:44 PM. (link)


And so do I, now. A fiver. Whee.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I remember him doing "Oh Patti" liveish on the Tube's 'when it's not on' fill-in programme. Forget the name. The Roxy, or some such...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Muriel Gray. You know...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Is that CD out yet? I saw it in the 'pile' that is the first page of the Mojo reviews, but no review inside...

that sucks, i wrote that... should be in the next issue!

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

I never thought they would have reunited...but then again, I didn't think The Pixies would either!

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 21 January 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Andy put his bass up for sale on eBay? And not just any bass, but the one he used to record all those songs?

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, just after he left Badly Drawn Boy's band.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 January 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

has anyone else heard the rumor that the smiths will be playing coachella?

http://www.productshopnyc.com

just the idea of a smiths reunion blows my mind.

rm265, Friday, 21 January 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

That would be pretty perverse. A festival show in likely 110F heat.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

...I would still go though. Which is a sign of poor mental health, probably.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Extra Extra!! Smiths reunite after joke thread on message board gives them idea!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

well it worked out for the pixies

the first church of latebloomer, friend of plebians and santa (reformed) (latebl, Friday, 21 January 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.hallmundur.com/goodle/goodle.htm#

Radiohead to record "happy songs"
Guardian - 11 hours ago
Critically -acclaimed rock miserablists Radiohead are to release an album of covers of happy songs from the Eighties. Songs will include “Happy Talk”, “The Birdie Song”, and a duet with Cliff Richard on a startling re-interpretation of his 1988 Christmas smash “Mistletoe & Wine”
The Smiths to reform Reuters

Masked Gazza, Friday, 21 January 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
Kung apparently has recent word on this. Kung?

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

You rang? Oh, sorry.

klung (Ken L), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

That wacky Kung.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Kung?

Jonathan King?

KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I suspect he has other things on his mind these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

there is no way this is true, right?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 14 November 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

(mainly because i dont want it to be)

JD from CDepot, Monday, 14 November 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

If Kung says it we must keep it in mind. (In otherwards, no.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

kung and kodos?

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahah. Hahah. Hahahahahahahah. Hahahahahahahahah. Hahah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Not the krung- the krung!

klung (Ken L), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

From Holy Moly:

"Just had dinner at Daniel (NY) with some work friends, when I noticed an older and wiser Johnny Marr of The Smiths coming in as we were going out. I stopped to gawk because, well, that's what you do.

As he went to his table, he shook his dining partner's hand - it was a greying Morrissey. Smiths reunion, anyone?"

Morrissey fan sites are rubbishing these claims, but my money is on 'something' happening for Manchester vs Cancer, a charity concert at the MEN arena in Jan 2006. Maybe.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

There's no doubt that they will reunite within the next 2 years or so, most likely for a one-off series of gigs. Without M. Joyce obv, not that it matters.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

The Handel That Rocks the Cradle

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:22 (seven years ago)

Never Had Nono Ever

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:23 (seven years ago)

Death of a Dieskau Dancer

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

Frankly Mr. Stravinski

bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:27 (seven years ago)

last night i dreamt that somebody loved meat

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:30 (seven years ago)

k waiting for a Chopin pun to come to me so i can remove bookmark from this thread

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

Chopinlifters of the World Unite?

bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

has anything mike joyce ever participated in post smiths ever come out right

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FixHZQh-MHw/UfmJIA-jtsI/AAAAAAAAZ0o/e5mcgm85oDA/s1600/The+Mighty+Wah+-+Songs+Of+Strength+&+Heartbreak+-+Front.jpg

never read about what was going on during the recording of bona drag but i wonder what the history of getting him to play on those songs was

Bona Drag is a compilation, those singles were recorded and released consecutively - Rourke and Gannon are also on them

Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

Chopinlifters of the World Unite?

― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:45 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

I think there was a time when Rourke and Joyce hoped the band would get back together which might explain his involvement in the earlier singles, who knows Moz might have had those kicking around in some form towards the end of the band?

Rourke is such a great bassist

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:07 (seven years ago)

This revive is making me think of a future remake of Annie Hall wherein Alvy Singer complains about the record store guy telling him, "We've got a sale on Mo-rrissey this week..."

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)

Ravel Ruffians

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:17 (seven years ago)

"i never read about what was going on during the recording of bona drag but i wonder what the history of getting him to play on those songs was"

bona drag wasn't recorded as an album, it's a singles compilation, and he was used to record those singles.

akm, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

Haydn Glove

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)

Miserable Tye

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:47 (seven years ago)

I Know It's Coda

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

There is a light that has just gone out.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

bona drag wasn't recorded as an album, it's a singles compilation, and he was used to record those singles.

― akm, Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know

still doesn't say anything about why

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:41 (seven years ago)

Closure.

Mark G, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)

Cloture.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:46 (seven years ago)

There Is A Ligeti That Never Goes Out

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:20 (seven years ago)

Statement from Mike Joyce with reference to Classically Smiths . It is with much regret that I have to announce that I will not be taking part in the show (s) Classically Smiths. I entered into agreement in good faith to perform these shows with Andy Rourke and Craig Gannon. Unfortunately it became apparent very late that Andy would not be taking part. I agreed with Andy that I would take part in the press conference and inform people that he would not be taking part. Unfortunately on the morning of the press conference I was informed I would not be able to say this. I therefore agreed to take part in the press interviews but did so without discussing Andy’s participation in the venture at any point during all tv, radio and print interviews. After much deliberation and soul searching I have decided that without Andy, an integral part of why I agreed to take part in the first place, I have come to this difficult decision. I still believe the shows and concept to be a fantastic idea and wish them all the success they deserve.

so they made up fake quotes to pretend Andy was playing. then Joyce finds out Andy didn't actually agree to it and the two of them decide to tell the press. then before he can set the record straight he finds out he can't is not allowed to discuss it. do i have this right? what the fuck

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:32 (seven years ago)

Rubber Ring Cycle

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:34 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

If it hadn't already been done to death, I'd have launched a Smiths website. But too many already. So I decided instead to launch a website around the music of two other great songwriters - Cathal Coughlan and Sean O'Hagan, who I was thrilled to see lead Microdisney into a reunion period in 2018 and 2019. On https://coughlanohagan.com/, I think I'm building up something worthwhile. Hope you enjoy it.

weirwrite, Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:52 (five years ago)

"six figures per band member" - how adorable 2005 was.

What would Coachella pay for a Smiths reunion in 2021, $10 million?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 23 May 2020 07:01 (five years ago)

What has Microdisney got to do with The Smiths?

Mark G, Saturday, 23 May 2020 08:25 (five years ago)

one year passes...

At least we have Rick Astley and Blossoms to fall back on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluAp8yEhZ8

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 08:25 (four years ago)

Oops

Well, I met The Blossoms a few weeks ago and they elected to not mention it. Nice.

— Johnny Marr (@Johnny_Marr) September 17, 2021

groovypanda, Friday, 17 September 2021 14:40 (four years ago)

lmao at salty Johnny Marr

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Friday, 17 September 2021 17:38 (four years ago)

didn't they realise he was the perfect guitarist to be in The Smiths with a better singer? :-(

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 17 September 2021 18:08 (four years ago)

three years pass...

Someone start an ILX Go Fund Me to buy The Smiths name and reform with Rick Astley on vocals.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/sep/03/morrissey-puts-his-business-interests-in-the-smiths-up-for-sale-to-any-interested-party

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:33 (four months ago)

Are there examples of this happening before? From one half of a songwriting partnership I mean..

piscesx, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:40 (four months ago)

I look askance at that listed email.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:42 (four months ago)

Morrissey shares 50% of the rights to the Smiths with Marr. Whether the brand retains its value to investors without Morrissey as an active participant to help market it remains to be seen.

i am not a rational consumer, but isn’t there a good chance the brand would increase in value once people know Morrissey’s not making money off of it?

z_tbd, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:46 (four months ago)

honestly i love the smiths and i still put them on, occasionally, but far less than i would if i didn’t have to think “goddamn morrissey’s a fucking asshole” as i did it, or feel the need to mutter something about how i know ‘morrissey sucks, but’ if i want to play them in the company of someone else (who would be people who like the smiths but hate morrissey)

z_tbd, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:47 (four months ago)

That Morrissey statement reads like something that has been machine translated.

visiting, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:49 (four months ago)

Wasn't there a rift between Hall and Oates a while back about something similar? Daryl Hall was upset that John Oates wanted to sell his half of the band's publishing company (which I learn is called Whole Oats Enterprises, or WOE for short):
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/nov/30/the-ultimate-betrayal-more-details-emerge-in-hall-oates-lawsuit

Oates counter-argument was that Daryl Hall had gone out of his way to portray the band as two individuals rather than a team, which gave him the right to sell his stake independently.

Of course it could be that Morrissey is having a fit, or his internet has been hacked.

Ashley Pomeroy, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:53 (four months ago)

Why does he write like English is his second language?

AI Jardine (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:54 (four months ago)

(xxp) Snap!

AI Jardine (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:55 (four months ago)

Hall and Oates rift; officially healed btw

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/aug/12/hall-oates-lawsuit-settlement

piscesx, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:00 (four months ago)

The Guardian has contacted representatives for Marr and Joyce for comment.

Johnny Marr must love getting phonecalls on the regular about Morrissey's bullshit.

visiting, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:12 (four months ago)

(xxp) Snap!

Pretty sure they’re still broken up

Dumpy's Rusty Nuts Gimmick Poster (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:15 (four months ago)

The Guardian has contacted representatives for Marr and Joyce for comment.

What does Andy Rourke not count or something?

AI Jardine (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:18 (four months ago)

At first I was like "say it isn't so," but

Hall and Oates rift; officially healed btw

This makes my dreams come true

je ne sequoia (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:45 (four months ago)

M-E-T-H-O-D-O-F-L-A-W

peace, man, Thursday, 4 September 2025 09:00 (four months ago)

xxp Rourke died last year

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 4 September 2025 09:03 (four months ago)

I know but does Morrissey?

AI Jardine (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 September 2025 09:14 (four months ago)

haha fair point!

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 4 September 2025 09:23 (four months ago)

Pretty sure he doesn't care.

AI Jardine (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 September 2025 09:35 (four months ago)

Haha that Guardian article linked to another piece describing how Morrissey apparently wrote an anti-woke screed so bad that even Nick Cave wouldn't sing on it. My life flashed before my eyes trying to even imagine it

Let's crowdfund a cagematch between Morrissey, Nick Cave and Jonny Greenwood over who can espouse the most old man shouts at clouds anti-woke diatribe on the interwebs

Etherwave, Thursday, 4 September 2025 10:32 (four months ago)


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