I would be more understanding if people didn't share the same received opinions: "Oh, it's so '80s sounding" or "Mick and Keith hated each other" or "Bill and Charlie don't even play on it" We're familiar with the lore. But this underrated album, like the underrated "Emotional Rescue" is more fun song for song than "Steel Lounge" or "Voodoo Bridge."
But has anyone stopped to listen to Mick's vocals: the rawest, most unhinged singing in his career, as if for once he forgot about what the Queen might think of him. I'm thinking about tracks like "Hold Back" (it even has great lyrics!), the title track, and, yes, even "Winning Ugly." Ignore the synth ooze and you'll hear a remarkably eloquent self-indictment: he finally owns up to being the selfish millionaire asshole we always suspected he was.
I also love throwaways like "One Hit To the Body" (the most striking opening riff in the Stones' career) and "Had it With You."
And then there's "Sleep Tonight," after "All About You" probably Keith's best ballad: the "closure" an album this violent demands.
Anyone else agree?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)
I do love "Had It With You" and "Fight" is actually pretty good too. And "Sleep Tonight", that's good, but not as good as the next album's absolutely GREAT "Slipping Away." Oh and of course those 30 seconds of Ian Stewart playing piano at the end.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)
err...Satisfaction, Honky Tonk, Jumpin' Jack Flash...
You can say that the album is better than people give it credit for, but that statement is just silly.
― Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)
Not really. Satisfaction, HO\onky Tonk, etc are pretty striking, but the acoustic, slightly off-the-beat guitar on "One Hit" gets me off these days more than the hoary chestnuts.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)
― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)
Woah there! Let's not get carried away now!
― bugged out, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)
And yes, actually, BtoB is a very nice album.
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)
― es hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)
Special comedy award for "Fight", from 'Dirty Work'. "Gonna pulp you to a mass of bruises...there's a hole where your face used to be...gonna smash your face in, slash you with my razor". Not only did it remind one of the grumpy pensioners at the bingo hall even then, but Jagger wasn't exactly built like a tank even as a young 'un. -- dave q (scrape10...), October 21st, 2001.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)
Several tracks feature drum fills that don't sound at all like the work of Charlie Watts. Ronnie Wood drums on "Sleep Tonight" and "Too Rude." I've read that Watts was strung out on horse for most of the sessions.
Steve Jordan and Anton Fig play on some tracks. Don't know exactly which ones. My hunch is that it's Fig on "Winning Ugly." But Jordan does such a brilliant Watts imitation (see Keith Richards' "Struggle") that it's impossible to tell which songs he's on.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)
Instrumental credits here.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:29 (thirteen years ago)
Interesting. Even though Wikipedia sez Jordan & Fig, they're not in those credits. I still say it's Fig on "Winning Ugly," because (even without the absurdly gated snare) it's so utterly uncharacteristic of Watts.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:41 (thirteen years ago)
The other day at a bar I played "Harlem Shuffle" and half the joint walked out! (true story)
lol
― Fonz Hour (Eazy), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:45 (thirteen years ago)
I've read that Watts was strung out on horse for most of the sessions.
Watts otm
― buzza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:59 (thirteen years ago)
Watts has spoken openly about a period in the mid-1980s when his previously-moderate use of alcohol and drugs became problematic: "[My drug and alcohol problems were] my way of dealing with [family problems]... Looking back on it, I think it was a mid-life crisis. All I know is that I became totally another person around 1983 and came out of it about 1986. I nearly lost my wife and everything over my behaviour."[7] A famous anecdote relates that during the mid-1980s, an intoxicated Jagger phoned Watts' hotel room in the middle of the night asking "Where's my drummer?". Watts reportedly got up, shaved, dressed in a suit, put on a tie and freshly shined shoes, descended the stairs, and punched Jagger in the face, saying: "Don't ever call me your drummer again. You're my fucking singer!"
― omar little, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)
Watts is noted for his personal wardrobe: the British newspaper The Telegraph has named him one of the World's Best Dressed Men. In 2006 Vanity Fair elected Watts into the International Best Dressed List Hall of Fame, joining his style icon, Fred Astaire.[8]
― omar little, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
three months to its 30th anniversary -- alfred better be pitching whiney
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 December 2015 00:47 (nine years ago)
Man, I don't know. I've always thought it was far and away their worst album, and I've heard them all. I think what came before - Undercover - and after - Steel Wheels - are much, much stronger. ― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, February 1, 2005 9:16 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^
btw the most underrated Stones album is Tattoo You, foolz
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:25 (nine years ago)
idk why I decided to listen to this album today but Mick is crazy on it
I think this album would've been better received if "One Hit" was the first single... "Harlem Shuffle" isn't so good
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 9 September 2019 04:28 (five years ago)
Probably should have put this in a Jagger solo thread, but I heard "Lucky In Love" out and about this weekend, and how ridic is the poker dialogue over the coda? Easily one of the most embarrassing Mick Moments.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:24 (five years ago)
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All shouted.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:25 (five years ago)
Oops.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:27 (five years ago)
https://robertchristgau.substack.com/p/the-big-lookback-the-rolling-stones
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 July 2021 05:34 (four years ago)
Remember that take.
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 July 2021 10:44 (four years ago)
is "had it with you" about bowie?
a lot of this sounds like they're trying to be punk & makes me wish they'd tried harder. it's not great or terrible, having not heard anything else after exile i can't say xgau isn't right. the reggae song is awful even by rockers-doing-reggae standards though
― Left, Friday, 2 July 2021 11:31 (four years ago)
About Keef supposedly.
I love this album. I'm glad Xgau finally agrees with me.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 July 2021 11:48 (four years ago)
mick & keith fucked? I suppose not every stones song has to be a double entendre
― Left, Friday, 2 July 2021 11:51 (four years ago)
This is one of those albums that sounds better on vinyl
― calstars, Friday, 2 July 2021 12:26 (four years ago)
About Keef supposedly.I love this album. I'm glad Xgau finally agrees with me.
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 July 2021 12:31 (four years ago)
Keith's "Sleep Tonight" is pretty good. In the post-Tattoo You era, he developed a knack for making beautifully wrecked ballads.
― birdistheword, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:27 (four years ago)
This record finally made sense for me during the pandemic. It's harsh and angry becaue that was how they felt at the time. Now I love it.
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:03 (four years ago)
I love how ferocious Jagger sounds here. No coasting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH6drAKz7bc
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:36 (four years ago)
Album cover color scheme is so cool…it has that going for it at least
― calstars, Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:37 (four years ago)
Then there’s the body language … mick is like “let me show you something”…Keith like “I am the stones”… Charlie “sorry guys” … bill and Ronnie like “we know we’re second tier”
― calstars, Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:41 (four years ago)
birdistheword at 3:27 2 Jul 21Keith's "Sleep Tonight" is pretty good. In the post-Tattoo You era, he developed a knack for making beautifully wrecked ballads."The Worst" is a good one too
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 July 2021 21:51 (four years ago)
I bought into the Xgau hype and always liked this album but haven’t listened in ages. Right now even “Harlem Shuffle” sounds good.
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:05 (four years ago)
I still don’t see the appeal in things like “Hold Back” - it’s aggressive, it has energy, but it all feels directionless and instantly forgettable.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:25 (four years ago)
Underrated Stones single.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx2WRQLSIew
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:54 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCRNTxXB3fk
― calstars, Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:04 (four years ago)
I bet Charlie Watts demanded cash up front to put that leather jacket on.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:06 (four years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/UjY2GJI.pngOut of blow, need to find keithhttps://i.imgur.com/9gFwugf.pngMaybe he’s down this hallway in this warehouse. First let me shake my ass a couple times, then I will proceedhttps://i.imgur.com/19focVU.pngAn ashen figure appears
― calstars, Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:16 (four years ago)
man "Sleep Tonight" never fails to kill me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A7CHWr4WBs
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:42 (four years ago)
keith songs still not doing it for me but there are actually some bangers on here. i would like this band more in general if jagger did more barking and less drawling
― Left, Sunday, 4 July 2021 07:32 (four years ago)
maybe that's why i liked the grohl collab everyone else (prob rightly) hated
― Left, Sunday, 4 July 2021 07:34 (four years ago)
"One Hit" sounds like something from Roky Erickson's "The Evil One". This is a good thing.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 July 2021 08:07 (four years ago)
Indeed
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 July 2021 12:31 (four years ago)
I always imagined that the Bodeans could do a killer version of "One Hit."
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 5 July 2021 00:29 (four years ago)
The pub jukebox seems to always throw album tracks from this on when no one's using it. Everyone's just going about their business and I'm half-resisting a wry smile about how arbitrary it is that I can hear "Too Rude" or "Back to Zero" come on from out of nowhere.
("Too Rude", incidentally, sounds fantastic and not at all embarrassing and in general this album's a fun rabbit hole to be in).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 21:45 (five days ago)
Someone once said "Winning Ugly" sounded like the soundtrack to a 1980s Dan Aykroyd comedy, and now it's impossible for me to hear it without picturing Dan Aykroyd doing his trademark grin to the camera.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 14 August 2025 02:02 (four days ago)
The song is too loud and abrasive to soundtrack anything.
Some of Jagger's best lyrics too.
I suppose the top synth slime is the turnoff
― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 August 2025 02:08 (four days ago)