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A chance to talk about some fine goodness on its own thread. Release details about halfway down this page:

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Am currently watching it now -- murky handheld video for the 1980 ICA gig but goddamn it does sound great, at least. Can't wait for what the 1985 material must have sounded/looked like. One Sasha Frere-Jones is quoted approvingly in the liner notes raving about them 1985 shows.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

I must just have to spring for this after all. I've honestly begun to feel I've underappreciated this band for many years. The Key of Dreams just knocks me off my chair. It's better than Can - it could even sit beside the best of Crispy Ambulance - and it's perfectly produced. There's always been something about From The Hip that doesn't quite stick with me, though, even if I always enjoy it when it's on. I believe in the near future I will be reacquainting myself with Section 25 quite a bit.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

i really want this. murky handheld and all. nothing could be worse looking then that Felt dvd. and why won't anyone tell me if i absolutely need that live young marble giants dvd i saw at the record store.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

the ymg dvd is only 40 mins long, no extras, one handheld camera with murky footage - somehow though this seems to suit the music. they sounded so similar live to how the records sounded its spooky, so get it if your a big fan of the records. this section 25 dvd sounds exciting!

― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't mind seeing this, but don't feel the urge to buy. Fond memories of their support slots with Noo Order 80-82 ish - especially New Order's encore jam with them at Reading Univ. They blasted through a wall-of-noise version of Girls Don't Count (at least that's what my mate N reckons it was supposed to be - you couldn't really tell) with Barney screaming 'fucking students!'. New Order's first encore that was.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

this has been on my to-buy list for two weeks now and i've still not got round to it. tonight.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

They blasted through a wall-of-noise version of Girls Don't Count (at least that's what my mate N reckons it was supposed to be - you couldn't really tell) with Barney screaming 'fucking students!'. New Order's first encore that was.

Bwahahahaha...

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Okay, having viewed it, it's very good! In fact I'll go so far as to say that while all the LTM album reissues and archives made me really appreciate the band, this is actually the thing that makes me love them. The sound is quite grand considering the rough nature of the video sources but the performances -- even the 1980 one -- really grab the attention, much more so than I was expecting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

This is a dream, this is a dream. Dream, dream, dream.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

fucking hell, i love LTM dearly but why can't they make it easier to order? would some kind of secure form be so difficult?

sigh.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

I think it's easier to order their stuff over here, oddly enough! Darla runs a tight ship.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

yes: for a second i considered importing ;)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

It would almost be cheaper, wouldn't it? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Good heavens, Ned! I do believe you are most likely correct! Oh the curse of the falling dollar, smite it from my eyes!

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

ho wow. i've just watched a few tracks from this. just wonderful. the promo for "hilltop"! too much nostalgia. i remember the pleasure beach when it looked like that.

actually ... it still does.

i can't wait to watch the whole thing.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I bought this last night. The cell phone/cordless phone in "Looking From A Hilltop" is great. It is like she is holding a loaf of bread to her head. They also had the Factory video with Section 25, Stockholm, etc for 4.99, but it ended up being PAL so I guess I need to convert it to dvd now.

― svend (svend), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

i've got that factory video somewhere, but the tape's snapped ... mind you, i don't even have a VCR any more, so it's not like i could watch it even if it worked.

what a pointless story. sorry.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

just watching some more of this now. the ICA performance is inTENSE. the riverside stuff is hypnotically lovely. and ... "not so real"! good god, that is one brutal piece of scary-ass weirdness and no mistake. bimble: you will love it, i'm quite sure.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm pleased to say I just ordered this yesterday. Should have it in a few days.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Watched this last night for the first time (well about half of it, gonna watch the rest in a minute here) and I must say I really really enjoyed it, much more so than I would have expected. The 1980 stuff is just so much better than the records, and I still can't believe I haven't heard "Not So Real" before - that wasn't on any of their records, was it? ILM was down last night (or at least I couldn't connect) so this is what I wrote while watching the live 1980 stuff:

Like a Beast,
Tearing at and devouring the carcass of rock and roll.
Section 25.

When your only reference point is Joy Division and some
whacked out psychedelic prog-rock/krautrock Goth, the only thing
left to do is fasten your safety belt on the airplane and brace
yourself for the ride.

I feel strangely like I’m 14 again.

If Eno had never existed, would they still sound the same?
What were their influences exactly? Who can tell?

No Martin Hannett here. Nothing too staid or predictable.
This is Section 25 live in 1980. Anything could happen. Gang Of Four
on an overdose of downers. It’s all fair game.

See into the eye of the meaning of Goth. Perish at your peril.

When I was a teenager, I used to idolize the guys, 10+ years older than I, who played these obscure Factory records on the college radio station. I used to think they must be gods to play me music like that.
I was wrong of course.

So anyway I do want to thank Ned for starting this thread and fiendish, too for properly kicking me in the butt to get me to buy this, because left to my own devices I'm not really sure it would have happened.

And I wanted to add how strange it struck me that she is wearing a leather jacket and those red plaid pants in the video for Looking From A Hilltop - because if you had a box full of videos from that era can you imagine how many of them would feature embarassing dated outfits/hairstyles? She looks positively timeless!

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

**She looks positively timeless! **

Who? Are you talking abt Jenny(RIP) or Angela Cassidy? I haven't seen the Hilltop video since it was on 'The Tube' Factory special on Friday teatime in the summer of 1985!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 21 February 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Well from what I can gather from the Section 25 LTM biography, I'm guessing it was Jenny. She was singing into this fantastic looking phone, and there was another woman playing keyboards. Factory album covers do not exactly make this kind of thing common knowledge and the From The Hip booklet hasn't been any help, either.

Maybe I'm just too tired. Way past my bedtime, now.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

hey! there's another "hilltop" video; this probably being the one to which dr C referred. coo ur. never seen this before in my life.

anyone know where it was filmed? i'm 99% sure it's not blackpool or the environs; i thought sheffield, but mrs fiendish, who knows sheffield well, says no.

the picture of the group on the table from around the 0'54" mark is identical to the one jenny gave my parents to give to me (see section 25 threads passim). wow. this has dislocated me momentarily.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 22 June 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

(also: there are links from that youtube page to performances of "new horizon" and "friendly fires", live in the staggeringly tedious blackpool suburb of poulton, last month. for some reason they're taking aeons to load here, though.)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 22 June 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

There is also some live Section 25 stuff up on dimeadozen.org including some demos from 1983.

Section 25: 1983 Demos for Factory

1. DMX Sequences (Hilltop/Reflection/Program for Light/)
2. Samples/Desert
3. Beneath the Blade
4. Unreleased Improvisation
5. Unreleased electronic tune #1
6. Unreleased accoustic tune
7. Unreleased electronic tune #2
8. Unreleased electronic tune #3
9. Beating Heart [Version]
10. Warhead (1983 Version)
11. Warhead (Instrumental Version)

― svend (svend), Thursday, 22 June 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

cool. thanks, svend.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 22 June 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

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