Taking Sides: Pixies vs. Faith No More

I noted with amusement that Frank Black has had to go on internet fansites to learn the lyrics to some old Pixies songs that he himself penned, 'Broken Face' included.

For the comparison to really sting (and for it to fit snugly with the Dol/Sab parallel), FNM should be replaced w/ the Red Hot Chili Peppers, since they actually influenced FNM, have been around for much longer, and were (I imagine) more of a direct influence on those bands Q clandestinely alludes to. (Well, the Peppers & Yo! MTV Raps!, at any rate.)

dirty lil secret: in the late 80's funk-metal stuff was just as "underground" and hip as the pixies and a lot of the same people (not just dave q's "non-smart" types) who were excited by "sister" and "surfer rosa" were also into bands trying to meld funk and punk/metal: the red hot chili peppers, faith no more, anthrax, fIREHOSE, quickness-era Bad Brains, Basehead, etc.

i would argue that faith no more was influenced in some part by the red hot chili peppers, but to regard fnm as nothing more than a direct descendant is quite reductive. i mean, have you listened to 'angel dust' lately?

This works for me.

and frusciante gets to be in this generation's zep AND floyd? noooooooooooooo!

b) Was FNM really that much bigger than the Pixies? Did they have any hits other than "Epic?" This premise that the Pixies appealed to some academic elite (like high school kids?) while FNM was the people's music just does not seem reasonable to me.

c) I think the idea that the Pixies influenced no one other than Nirvana is also absurd.

i still listen to every pixies record on a regular basis. i agree that all the fnm albums from angel dust on are brill but i havent listened to them in years. and severed from, ya know, a band, a collective rather than a collection of hired hands to record the latest idea he had on the toilet this morning (tomahawk, i think, notwithstanding but i havent heard it) patton has been moving further and further out from the orbit known as "good."

For me FNM beats Pixies, but Grunge beats Nu Metal.

What are the good Nu Metal bands? Or are we just has beens here and Nu Metal is for the kids?

(Slipknot and System of a Down are not Nu Metal BTW)

Just listen to the Korn debut. It's blindingly obvious there: Faith No More and Alice In Chains in equal portions = nu metal. Why didn't "mallcore" as a name for the genre stick instead btw? It makes genre-genealogically AND socio-culturally much more sense.

Slipknot and System of a Down are not Nu Metal BTW

Indeed, you can trace them back to the whole hardcore--Pantera--Machine Head evolution: nicking the odd metal riff or drum pattern here and there but staying fundamentally inside the hardcore paradigm. "Nu Hardcore" would probably be the best description here.

Shit, why do I even bother discussing this crap. Fuck Machine Head, Korn, Slipknot and SOAD.

But OK I'll say Faith No More because they're less fashionable right now (how punk of me)! But I agree that in 1989/90 or whenever it was I was listening to both bands, they were both completely awesome. And nu-metal wasn't really conceivable at that point, though it was considered interesting that funk and metal and hip hop (to some extent) was being thrown together.