AL GREEN: CLASSIC OR DUD?

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He is good drinking music.

― , Monday, 5 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

are you serious? this is easy: CLASSIC. The guy has one of the best voices ever.

― brent d., Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nah, I was being stupid and reducing his music to "good drinking music". I was wondering if anyone would say he sucked. That woulda been funny.

― , Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Al Green sucks, dude.

Um, no, he doesn't. Classic, probably the best of all the great soul singers. But it's not just about the voice - the amazing no-frills metronomic Hi backbeat has a lot to do with why his records are so good. "Al Green Is Love" is probably my favourite soul non- compilation album ever.

― Tom, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Good drinking music", that makes him sound like Slade or something. What does Tanya think of Al Green ? I don't think anyone else here would say anything nasty about him. There aren't too many performers you could say that about.

― Patrick, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

WHAT???

SHAME ON YOU ALL.

Some of you are WRITERS. All, or most of you, claim to "love music". And yet this is the best you can do, a few shrugs and spindly sentences. This is the MAN. He has made the world an infinitely better place by just being around. BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP.

UBER-classic.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What else is there to say?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

That's more like it! Thanks.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

My favourite singer ever, and the music he made in the early '70s with Willie Mitchell producing and the Hodges Brothers and the peerless Al Jackson among the musicians is my favourite music ever. No one has ever sounded more as if they have explored and thought about and deeply felt every nuance of what he is singing about. Music gets no more beautiful and moving than Tired Of Being Alone, How Can You Mend A Broken Heart or Let's Stay Together.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

He's the only guy who could make me go to church AND I'd probably let him fuck me.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd usually have nothing to say, simply because he's untouchable. i have never even questioned my love for his music.

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I made it through most of my life not knowing what the big deal was until a pal lent me Call Me which, yeah, is incredible drinking music, and seems to get better with age...

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 April 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i still quite like xgau's bit:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/green-76.php

esp the first two paragraphs

i can't think of another artist/band for whom my love (and yeah it goes beyond a deep and abiding affection or respect or whutever) is so unexamined, so basic and (dare i say it) pure.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 6 April 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I think I second that.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 7 April 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Green is obv a cut above, but as I think we've reached a "consensus of the willing" here (hopefully--it would be difficult for me to countenance dissent), who are your other favorite Hi Records singers/albums/singles?

I really like Otis Clay's Hi singles, like "Let Me Be the One."

More later.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

OV Wright. A nickel and a nail. and Anne Peebles 99 Pounds or Tear your playhouse down.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a surprise for anyone who knows me but I pick Ann Peebles' "I Can't Stand the Rain" as not only the best pop single of all time but also really the only single that actually out-Memphises and out-souls "Let's Stay Together" and/or "Still in Love With You"

Kind of a surprise: I'm reviewing the reissues of those first Al Green albums on Hi, and Green Is Blue actually stacks up pretty well. Bonus track of him singing "I Want to Hold Your Hand" is OMG killa fire-honoring cover of all time

― Neudonym, Monday, 7 April 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Al Green's unlikely covers are amazing

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyond classic. Quintessential is more like it. Don't forget "Gets Next to You" either. An essential album that precedes the Trinity.

Ann Peebles'"Trouble, Heartaches, and Sadness" is another Hi-Records gem that Al Green lovahs should search from her great album, "Straight From the Heart."

― Cub, Monday, 7 April 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Instead of putting out needless best-of after needless best-of (the original Greatest Hits from '75 is perfect, and the albums are basically all worth owning, HINT TOM) The Right Stuff really ought to just do a covers comp. What a thing of wonder that would be....

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 April 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

are the new reissues that much of an improvement soundwise (a la the Stones reissues which are) I should rebuy them?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

...possibly the stupidest question ever posed in the history of mankind

― Dadaismus, Monday, 7 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

JB: The reissues are okay, soundwise, but I wouldn't say the transfer is Oh My God Amazing You Can Hear The Spittle! or anything. But they've all got bonus tracks, and maybe if more of us buy these Hi/Right Stuff will reissue everything. Right now it's just the first four...I don't know when/if they're getting to the rest of it.

But them bonus tracks is special. Green Is Blues includes not only "I Want to Hold Your Hand" but also two originals and a cover of Chuck Berry's "Memphis, Tennessee"; Gets Next to You has a nice long version of "Ride Sally Ride" and a couple more.

― Neudonym, Monday, 7 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"Listen," a collection of rarities (earlier released on LP as "Love Ritual") is great. The remixed "bwana" version of "Love Ritual" is crazed Memphis/Afrobeat at its best. Willie Mitchell did a lot of great stuff--the Hi Records box contains much to enjoy. Bowlegs Miller doing "What Do You Mean" is probably my favorite non-Green Hi record, a truly insane song that my girlfriend notes I put on every single mix tape I made for a while, like Green I am an evangelist.

Mitchell's Royal Recording studio is still there in S. Memphis. Last time I visited the Big "S" Grill made a very good barbecue sandwich, good jukebox, and there's always Josie's Tamales near there if you need tamales, not to mention Blue Suede Shoe Shine...

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Al Green a couple of years ago in a big soft seat theatre and when he started "L-O-V-E", I somehow managed to leap to my feet in overexcitement and then instinctively tried to sit right back down in embarassment but my seat had automatically folded back up under me so I fell on my ass and as I got to my feet redfaced and I looked around me redfaced, everyone was just smiling happily at me like "I KNOW! I KNOW!" It was one of the nicest moments I've ever had seeing live music.

also, as others have mentioned here, there's a wealth of great stuff by other Hi artists like Ann Peebles, O.V. Wright, Otis Clay & Syl Johnson if you want more of that sound - what a band! Al Jackson and the Grimes bros, Willie Mitchell production... oh, oh, and Jess Hill is otm about the "Love Ritual" collection - "Up Above My Head is my favourite Al track maybe... sorry, it's just so fucking good... I'm about to fall off my chair again.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Otis Clay's "If I Could Reach Out (And Help Somebody)" is my favorite record in that late 60s/early 70s help-your-neighbor soul subgenre. Actually that's selling it short because that subgenre contained a lot of dross. It's a beautiful song and has the power to redeem the cliche referenced in the title. Another great Hi singer was George Jackson who sang one sang whose melody sounds suspiciously like the Clay tune just mentioned: "Aretha, Sing One for Me."

Like Stax/Volt etc., Hi's output was so prolific that a lot of horn and string charts, melodies, lyrical ideas, etc. got recycled. I have absolutely no problem with that whatever. It's actually a good way to determine what a given singer brings to the table.

I actually really like the later Hi stuff, from the late '70s, which both is slightly hampered by and benefits from a certain slackness, or quietude. Examples would be Ann Peebles's If This Is Heaven, Syl Johnson's Total Explosion, Al Green's Have a Good Time, etc.

O.V. Wright is sort of a force of nature; his Hi stuff sounds more like his pre-Hi stuff than you'd expect. He doesn't go "uptown" as much as other Hi artists of the period. "That's the Way I Feel About 'Cha" is a great balance though.

Crosspost w/Fritz!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

otis clay's "turning over the ground" deserves special mention too... and I meant "hodges bros." not "grimes bros.", I think. I need a valium thinking about this stuff.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

also the cover art of the fantastic "Al Green Is Love" is hilarious, because the front cover is all nice and you look at it and think, "oh, Al Green Is Love" and then flip over to the back cover, where he's all sweaty and screwed up looking and you think , "Ugh, Al Green Is Stoned!"

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

but anyway if anyone wants to argue about Al Green, the question is surely "Is any of the post-secular/post-Hi stuff any good?"

I don't really know, not having ventured into it... though the oft-maligned "The Belle Album" - the transitional one - is quite good.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

also, anyone ever been here?
http://www.algreen.com/propic6.jpg

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

YES I HAVE BEEN! The fulfillment of all my Brit white-boy fantasies!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

RFI, S&D: Al Green's gospel recordings (though hardly anyone responded)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolute classic. By the way, for those, like me, who are collecting the albums as they reissue them with bonus tracks, I emailed the label and they said that Call Me should be reissued by the end of the year, so I'm assuming that there's going to be another set of reissues coming soon.

― Jonathan, Monday, 7 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"Belle Album" as far as I can tell has never been maligned. I have the orig. old Hi LP of it--I feel safe in asserting that it's Green's greatest album. "Call Me" is great too.

I was re-reading some Xgau reviews the other day and came across something he said about Green and the rhythm-section thing happening on those classic Hi records. Xgau says something about the "thick 3rd-beat" emphasis of the drumming and as far as I can tell that's a classic howler--Xgau can't count. He's hearing the second beat as the third beat for some reason--he's counting the eighth notes as quarter notes.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say, is Belle Album really "oft-maligned?" In any case, it's great. Really great, often overlooked Al Green tracks: "That's the Way It Is," "Let It Shine," "Home Again," "Country Boy," "Feels Like Summer," "To Sir With Love."

― Burr (Burr), Monday, 7 April 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

as far as I can tell that's not a howler at all--since the songs are in 4/4 time why wouldn't he count them that way? I always have.

search Hi Rhythm's On the Loose, reissued a couple years ago w/some photo instead of whatever the original cover art was. they're not kidding--it's really loose, like about-to-fall-apart loose, and extremely charming for it

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 April 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a howler because he's counting the second beat as the third. If you count the eighth notes as quarter notes then "one-and-two" gets misheard as "one-two-three." So Xgau thinks the drummer is accenting on the third beat when it's really the second. That's a howler.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

In fairness to Xgau, I think the term "howler" should be reserved for really egregious and obvious errors. As far as I'm concerned this is just a simple mistake; one that I would never have picked up on.

I love Al Green btw.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, this turned from a no-brainer to an all-hearter, or something...

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone asks me what the definition of sensual soul is i say Al Green is, love.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all a bit schmaltzy though, isn't it?
Not to mention the fact that they all just blend together.
Exceptions: "Here I Am Baby," and "Now That I've Found You."

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah--but not being able to comprehend the basic rhythm of an artist for whom you later write liner notes seems pretty fucking egregious to me.

Ace Al Green track, the one I love above all: "Love is Real." The way he says "Say something..."

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

only Jess Hill knows anything about music shockah

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

He noticed a beatical oddity, that'll do won't it? This isn't an exam! Huge classic. Finding the two Lp 'Greatest Hits' for $2 may be my greatest ever record bargain, a lot of it is just too simply (in emotional terms) perfect to say much about. I like it, I think you should hear it if you haven't.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

what? you have to ask if al greens classic? dumb thread

― bobo t, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

only Jess Hill knows anything about music shockah

-- M Matos

Man, all I said was that I can count. Maybe that's a shockah where you come from.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Arithmetic is sorta taboo in Minneapolis (motherfucker's loves thems some algebra though)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It used to make me cry whenever he came on Ally McBeal.

I will leave that sentance as it stands for Dan's pleasure, but you know what I mean.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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― pasty drunks fuck off (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 July 2022 16:40 (two years ago)

Second only to Livin' For You.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2022 16:55 (two years ago)

I get caught up in the descending chord progressions of "What a Wonderful Thing Love Is" and "Look What You Done For Me".

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 21 July 2022 17:28 (two years ago)

I read that as "condescending" lol

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2022 17:32 (two years ago)

No, they're deeply compassionate!

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 21 July 2022 17:34 (two years ago)

the best version of "for the good times"

― Heez, Thursday, 21 July 2022 18:16 (two years ago)

If I had to pick only one, it would be Call Me, but why pick one masterpiece over another? There's at least five in a row, plus Belle later on and a bunch of good ones in between and after.

― birdistheword, Thursday, 21 July 2022 18:22 (two years ago)

a lot of his albums are severely underrated. i scored Al Green Is Love for 5 bucks recently at a pretty expensive record store.

― Heez, Thursday, 21 July 2022 18:27 (two years ago)

beat guitar sound, best drum sound

― brimstead, Thursday, 21 July 2022 18:45 (two years ago)

best

― brimstead, Thursday, 21 July 2022 18:45 (two years ago)

Love Ritual: Rare and Previously Unreleased 1968-1976 is a great one too. He left plenty of choice rarities in the can.

I just wish there was a definitive concert film, but you can at least piece together a great video compilation of his TV performances. (The live Tokyo album ain't bad, but it's not the great live album he has in him.)

― birdistheword, Thursday, 21 July 2022 19:25 (two years ago)

seven months pass...

Midnight Special YT channel just uploaded some clips from '73 & '74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMijYHnbGw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evv1xwK5UYA

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 March 2023 23:28 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1wS61RgEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4UNv13S58

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 March 2023 23:42 (two years ago)

ty these are greaat

― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Thursday, 16 March 2023 23:51 (two years ago)

oh dear

― budo jeru, Friday, 17 March 2023 03:49 (two years ago)

great revive

― budo jeru, Friday, 17 March 2023 03:59 (two years ago)

"Jesus is Waiting" is almost enough to make me want to accept the Lord.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 17 March 2023 04:02 (two years ago)

He was so great in the '70s, it's a shame there hasn't been a definitive live release put together, either an album or a DVD/Blu-ray. (The Tokyo album didn't quite do him justice.) It's all out there is pieces though, like in those clips.

― birdistheword, Friday, 17 March 2023 04:13 (two years ago)

I don't think I have seen the 1984 Robert Mugge directed live "Gospel According to Al Green" film doc

― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 March 2023 15:40 (two years ago)

Awesome revive

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 17 March 2023 16:56 (two years ago)

Can't help but notice the front row of the audience is all women.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 17 March 2023 21:44 (two years ago)

it's a shame there hasn't been a definitive live release put together

in my opinion, the videos make the experience; his moves are everything. when it comes to audio, i'm extremely fine listening to the studio recordings, which are some of the best sounding records ever.

― budo jeru, Friday, 17 March 2023 21:54 (two years ago)

Can't help but notice the front row of the audience is all women.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, March 17, 2023 9:44 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

uh yeah did you see the man singing on stage? god at his peak he was just unbelievably hot.

xp to jimbeaux you made my heart skip a beat thinking that one of these midnight specials was a "jesus is waiting" performance but alas

― ꙮ (map), Friday, 17 March 2023 22:07 (two years ago)

sorry to be crass but al green setting the tempo by clapping before the band kicks in on "love and happiness" is on some "fuck me right goddamn now" shit

― ꙮ (map), Friday, 17 March 2023 22:09 (two years ago)

all about the foreplay

― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 18 March 2023 17:16 (two years ago)

five months pass...

new single, cover of "Perfect Day"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5NT_079_X0

― Brad C., Tuesday, 22 August 2023 16:05 (one year ago)

Whoa.

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 17:30 (one year ago)

He sounds great!

― dinnerboat, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 18:50 (one year ago)

His voice is great but I am not sure about the arrangement . Need to listen again

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 24 August 2023 04:55 (one year ago)

His voice is still in great shape, but he doesn't really sell these particular lyrics (he doesn't even attempt the note of doomed heartbreak Lou achieves in his vocals on the original, and Al Green can definitely do heartbreak if he wants to), and like 90% of everything Green has recorded away from Willie Mitchell, the production/arrangement seems to have no idea how to compliment his gorgeous voice.

― MumblestheRevelator, Saturday, 26 August 2023 10:51 (one year ago)

Yeah, he floats above the melody.

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:34 (one year ago)

Lou put Belle by Al Green in his top 10

https://www.clashmusic.com/news/lou-reed-once-named-his-10-favourite-albums/

― bbq, Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:41 (one year ago)

He was well known as a big Al Green fan.

― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:47 (one year ago)

there is something problematic with the verses being in a higher register than the chorus. maybe it's something a non-singer can pull off better than a singer.

― Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:58 (one year ago)

the "You're going to reap just what you sow" outro has a very different vibe coming from the Rev. Green

― Brad C., Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:42 (one year ago)

Al has always been Christian obviously, but I love this one from his “Christian” albums

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo-rWMAfbNs

― bbq, Saturday, 26 August 2023 23:02 (one year ago)

one year passes...

Have had “Chariots of Fire” from the Belle album on repeat today. Such a jam

― that's not my post, Friday, 4 October 2024 03:14 (seven months ago)

This is my current jam. My god those drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7zclKteJs0

― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Friday, 4 October 2024 12:30 (seven months ago)

As they got further along their production partnership, Green and Willie Mitchell started loosening their grooves. I love this one from the same album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6330OuGF0

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2024 15:27 (seven months ago)

One of those threads that just should not be bumped.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2024 15:32 (seven months ago)

his music's too good to not bump the thread every once in a while ... he's "only" 78 years old

― that's not my post, Friday, 4 October 2024 18:56 (seven months ago)

One of those threads that just should not be bumped.

It's this and the Shirley Collins thread!

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 4 October 2024 22:30 (seven months ago)

don't tell me ilx has started to be like those weirdos on twitter who jump to the conclusion that an older celeb has died every time their name trends, it's so obnoxious

― some dude, Friday, 4 October 2024 22:38 (seven months ago)

Whenever I hear certain artists on the radio multiple times in one day, especially deep cuts, I assume the worst.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2024 22:40 (seven months ago)

It's this and the Shirley Collins thread!

Robert Wyatt.

― pisspoor bung probe prog (Tom D.), Friday, 4 October 2024 23:16 (seven months ago)

don't tell me ilx has started to be like those weirdos on twitter who jump to the conclusion that an older celeb has died every time their name trends, it's so obnoxious

yeah in many cases you're hoping the celeb has died + all the cunts that have tweeted about "oh please don't let 1970s paedo be dead" have also died

― Yuwen Hu's army (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 October 2024 00:26 (seven months ago)

Whenever I hear certain artists on the radio multiple times in one day, especially deep cuts, I assume the worst.

This happened with David Bowie. Popped into Trader Joe's heard non-stop Bowie songs and thought "remember when supermarkets were known to play the most antiseptic elevator music?" (tbf it was Trader Joe's, not a Safeway) Then I got a text saying "I didn't know Bowie was sick." Ugh....

― birdistheword, Saturday, 5 October 2024 03:04 (seven months ago)

three months pass...

Al Green and Morgan Freeman ring in the New Year

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19mDfrkqUA/?mibextid=wwXIfr

― birdistheword, Monday, 6 January 2025 02:11 (four months ago)

Saw that . Al in Clarksdale , Ms still sounding good .

― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 January 2025 18:20 (four months ago)

fuck, how have I never heard Love Ritual?!? (the album, not the original track)

― sleeve, Monday, 6 January 2025 18:27 (four months ago)

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