Taking Sides: "There's No Other Way" by Blur vs. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana

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..or the SEPTEMBER 1991 thread.

I remember sitting in the Dragon Bar (it's now a gay bar called -- wait for it -- Dick's!) one Saturday night in September of `91 with my friend Joanne. MTV's "120 Minutes" is on on the tube. The Blur single comes on first, and my ears perk up. It's followed imemdiately by the Nirvana single, which also gets people up and noticing. Debate ensues over which single is superior. Joanne -- herself a massive Mudhoney fan -- immediately decries the Blur single for being whiney British crap, and preciently predicts big things for Nirvana. While I like both, I insist that "There's No Other Way" is amazing. She's unphased and unconvinced. History, it seems, sided with her, but I still prefer the former.

You?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.richardsonrichards.com/

dave q (listerine), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"There's No Other Way" is really outstanding, way better than pretty much every piece of mid-period Blur music I've heard bar "This Is A Low".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"There's No Other Way" is really outstanding, way better than pretty much every piece of mid-period Blur music I've heard bar "This Is A Low".

Amen, Dan!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard of anyone lumping the "Leisure" material in with "mid-period" (=Britpop trilogy) Blur.

I never thought much of "There's No Other Way". It was a fun song that I enjoyed hearing when it came on the radio but otherwise had (and still have) no desire to hear it. Why listen to Blur ripping off baggy when you can listen to Blur ripping off MBV (e.g. "Sing")?

I'm siding with Nirvana here.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Course it's often overlooked, because of the cheeky chirpy cockney sparrer notion of Blur, but "There's No Other Way" is as blank and cynical toward its core audience as "Teen Spirit" is. On this level alone, the songs are perfectly matched.

I've got a little less familiarity-bred contempt for the Blur song, but they're both perfect in their own way.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

First time I heard 'There's No Other Way' was between sets at a Chapterhouse gig at the 9:30 club in DC in 1991. It's impact was immediate so I asked a guy who was nodding his head who/what was playing. I owned the Blur album within a week. I still like hearing that song.

Rocco, Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know when "This Is A Low" actually came out but when I say "mid-period Blur" I mean the time period that I actively ignored and avoided them ("Girls and Boys" up until the best-of, where they rehooked my interest with "Music Is My Radar").

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha you might know this already Alex, but during a British radio interview in late '91 Kurt was asked what recent songs he liked. He started singing "There's No Other Way".

As for the T/S, while TNOW is not my favourite Blur song, I have absolutely no desire to hear "...Teen Spirit" again any time soon (although I objectively like it, I guess).

Richard C (avoid80), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"theres no otherway" launched a decade long obsession with blur for me. nirvana never quite seduced me so.

listening to leisure about a year ago i was really stunned by the quality of graham's guitar playing.

b b, Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Nirvana all the way. Why anyone ever found Blur's tiresome rip-offs of the latest "hot new thing" is beyond me. Even their bandwagon-jumping-as-career tactic could be construed as itself being modelled on the Rolling Stones.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Some days, I hate you Shakey Mo.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

that's okay, Jesus still loves me.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm struggling to picture a universe in which Blur write "tiresome rip-offs" and Nirvana were radically new and inventive.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Nirvana may not have been radically new or inventive, but they didn't change alter their style every two years in order to keep up with whatever hot new shit was out at the time (Madchester, Spiritualized, Pavement, ad nauseam)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

But like Bowie their pastiches are often better songs than the stuff they imitate. Not that I was hating on Nirvana either, but if Kurt was still alive would we really want them to be releasing Nevermind Vol 16 today?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking blur....notice on dave's new tv series:

http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/articles/16352597?source=TiL&ct=5

b b, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

oh come on, the "what if Kurt..." scenario is a totally unfair strawman. (and in any case I freely admit he in all likelihood would've gone on to duet crappy AOR ballads with Michael Stipe anyway...)

Blur's stuff has always struck me as overly cold and clinical. And anything Spiritualized has ever done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tender"

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough decision. I didn't hear "There's No Other Way" until 1997, so its impact didn't affect me as much as "Teen Spirit."

I just wanted to say that as a teenager in the 90's, I always thought it would be cool to go to a bar on a Sunday night and have 120 Minutes playing on the TVs, but unfortunately by the time I was 21 it was off the air, and alternative music got less exciting anyway.

billstevejim, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"SLTS" is one of my very favorite singles ever, but I like "TNOW" a lot, too.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't see any contest between a song that was a late-to-the-party baggy knockoff and a tune that at the time was unlike anything else on rock radio/MTV and preceded a fairly major tidal shift in the industry. Even setting the "historical impact" angle aside, I know which song sent my skin-a-tinglin and it wasn't the pale British lads'. Nowadays tho, I honestly don't care if I ever hear either one again...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: "Smells Like Teen Spirit" vs "Jane Says"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

heheh. neither. i didn't like either of them all that much at the time. but the only reason i didn't like "teen spirit" was because the two or three nirvana fans at my school were actually total fuckwits; and even then, i'd still end up on the dancefloor with them at the local indie disco. so yeh, "teen spirit". i was very wrong at the time.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

oh god, anything but 'Jane Says'

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

At the time I liked "There's No Other Way" because even though I thought the song was lame the bass player was kind of cute. The passing of time has been kind to this song, I like it a lot more now than I did then.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was always very disappointing to me. I had liked "Sliver", and when this single came out it just seemed joyless and forced. Almost any other Nirvana song is better than this one.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"There's No Other Way", by far.

zeus, Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a whiney (transplanted) Brit, and I'll still say "Teen Spirit".

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Chapterhouse gig at the 9:30 club in DC in 1991

I was on the way there when our driver's car broke down! Arrgh. Saw them in England, though, so all was not lost.

Blur wins, of course. They were shit-hot live in those days, Damon crawling all over speaker stacks - you really did think he'd injure himself, you were always kindof in that state of suspense "oh god what is he going to do now?" Of course, now that they're older it's a far more subdued affair. I remember coming out of a particular gig in London (?) in '91 and just being breathless with euphoria, really, and b-sides torturing my brain all the way home.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Why anyone ever found Blur's tiresome rip-offs of the latest "hot new thing"

Ummm, when were Blur ever EVER called the "hot new" anything???

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, Blur WEREN'T the "hot new thing" they were RIPPING OFF various "hot new things". I already cited several examples.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 4 February 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah Fiendish, alas you disappoint me.

I do believe Alex really has the time nailed down well - it seems to me I did indeed come back home from my big England/Belgium trip in September '91. And the first thing I realized was wow, Nirvana had suddenly hit it big. It just felt like the death of a lot of great things then. Never again would the divide be so great between what was going on musically in the States vs. the UK. As I have looked back on those years, I almost miss how very easy it was for me to get caught up in the UK music scene without worrying I'd miss much of anything going on at home. I abhorred grunge, but at least it was underground until Nirvana hit. Today, the similarities make it a lot harder to know where exactly to look for good music. It's just not so conveniently clear cut. And there were still valid UK INDIE CHARTS THEN!

I'll be the first to admit I knew NOT how lucky I really was in those days. After a few years, some folks in D.C. began to emulate the sound of shoegazing. But as far as I was concerned, it was too little too late.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)


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